The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

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the only thing I ever took personally was when Hillary supporters made comments that Obama supporters were "drinking the kool-aid" in other words we're just to stupid to know better. Crap like that pissed me off.

~Amanda

And for the record, the candidate did the same thing, though she didn't use the particular "kool aid" reference. What a way to bring new people to the party...by calling them stupid cult members being taken in by a con man. :rolleyes:

The absolute worst anyone has said about any Clinton supporters is that they are unrealistic in their expectations of her chances.

I just read the Richard Mellon-Scaffe penned praising of Hillary on her support thread, and honestly got a little sick to my stomach. For crying out loud...this is the guy that was at the very HEART of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" stuff back in the 90's...the guy responsible for trying to pin Vince Foster's death on Hillary either directly or indirectly. He couldn't be any more of a wingnut if he tried...yet people are celebrating his kind words as if it's something to be proud of rather than something that should be looked at far more askance than any endorsement from Louis Farrakhan.
 
Since nobody is bringing this over... I think this guy is still living in 1980


McCain says he doesn't know enough about HIV/Aids to say if any contraception methods would stop it's transmission... He's sure he's taken a position in the past, he'll have to look that position up I just report the facts, course he's relying on the doctor that said without examining her, that Terry Schiavo was in fact not in a vegetative state:


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...iv-prevention/

SOMEWHERE in NORTHERN IOWA — The unthinkable has happened. Senator John McCain met a question, while sitting with reporters on his bus as it rumbled through Iowa today, that he couldn’t – or perhaps wouldn’t – answer.

Did he support the distribution of taxpayer-subsidized condoms in Africa to fight the transmission of H.I.V.?

What followed was a long series of awkward pauses, glances up to the ceiling and the image of one of Mr. McCain’s aides, standing off to the back, urgently motioning his press secretary to come to Mr. McCain’s side.

The upshot was that Mr. McCain said he did not know this subject well, did not know his position on it, and relied on the advice of Senator Tom Coburn, a physician and Republican from Oklahoma.

His press secretary, Brian Jones, later reported that Mr. McCain had a record of voting against using government money to finance the distribution of condoms.

All this took place on the second day of the reprise of the “Straight Talk Express” bus trips that Mr. McCain made a central part of his campaign in 2000. It also comes as Mr. McCain has eagerly been trying to ease strains with social conservatives in the party who, for the most part, do not support using government money to pay for condoms.

A transcript of the encounter follows. (Weaver is John Weaver, his senior adviser, and Brian is Mr. Jones, his press secretary):

Reporter: “Should U.S. taxpayer money go to places like Africa to fund contraception to prevent AIDS?”

Mr. McCain: “Well I think it’s a combination. The guy I really respect on this is Dr. Coburn. He believes – and I was just reading the thing he wrote– that you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity. Where that doesn’t succeed, than he thinks that we should employ contraceptives as well. But I agree with him that the first priority is on abstinence. I look to people like Dr. Coburn. I’m not very wise on it.”

(Mr. McCain turns to take a question on Iraq, but a moment later looks back to the reporter who asked him about AIDS.)

Mr. McCain: “I haven’t thought about it. Before I give you an answer, let me think about. Let me think about it a little bit because I never got a question about it before. I don’t know if I would use taxpayers’ money for it.”

Q: “What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”

Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”

Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”

Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”

Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”

Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”

Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”

This went on for a few more moments until a reporter from the Chicago Tribune broke in and asked Mr. McCain about the weight of a pig that he saw at the Iowa State Fair last year.




Expect those "awkward moments" to continue as the American people discover that John McCain doesn't know much of anything in general, much like his buddy in the White House right now.
 
Ugh. It'll be doddering ol' Ronnie Reagan all over again--except maybe even more clueless. :scared:
 
Expect those "awkward moments" to continue as the American people discover that John McCain doesn't know much of anything in general, much like his buddy in the White House right now.

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

There aren't enough Scared emoticon's to show you what I feel!
 

A Little?? He makes Reagan look like a genius :teacher:

Reagan always seemed pretty out of it to me. I don't get the whole St. Ronald thing that went on after his death. I'm sure he was a nice enough person, but boy oh boy was he out of touch with reality. McCain's heading down the same road.

I need a President who knows what's going on in the world. And I don't mean that he needs to know exactly what Purim means to Jews, but stuff like Shia/Sunni differences and why condoms are great for preventing HIV/AIDS--things that affect decision-making and policy.
 
I need a President who knows what's going on in the world. And I don't mean that he needs to know exactly what Purim means to Jews, but stuff like Shia/Sunni differences and why condoms are great for preventing HIV/AIDS--things that affect decision-making and policy.

I think we all do!!!!
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23865262/

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Obama: Clinton should keep running
Clinton elicits backers' jeers when raising question of dropping out early
The Associated Press
updated 5:10 a.m. ET, Sun., March. 30, 2008
JOHNSTOWN, Pa. - Barack Obama refused Saturday to go along with other Democrats who are calling for Hillary Rodham Clinton to step away from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“My attitude is Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants,” Obama said.

Obama told reporters he did not agree with one of his supporters, Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, when he said earlier this week that Clinton cannot win the nomination and should therefore drop out. “I hadn’t talked to Pat about it,” Obama said.

Clinton pushes back
At stops throughout the day, Clinton raised the question of whether she should leave the race — eliciting loud jeers from supporters.

“There are some people who say we should just stop these elections. ‘Enough people have already voted, what’s a few million more?”’ Clinton said in Louisville, Ky. “I don’t know about you but I’m glad Kentucky is going to be voting and you’ll be choosing because it’s such an important election.” The state holds its primary May 20.

Campaigning in Pennsylvania, her husband, Bill Clinton, said party insiders looking to resolve the contest should step back and allow the process to move forward.

“We just need to relax and let this happen. Nobody’s talking about wrecking the party,” the former president said. “Everywhere I go, all these working people say: ‘Don’t you dare let her drop out. Don’t listen to those people in Washington, they don’t represent us.”’

The campaign on Saturday released a fundraising e-mail, signed by Bill Clinton, asking supporters to challenge talk of his wife departing the race by sending a check to her campaign.

“There’s no better way to tell Hillary that you support her staying in than to make a contribution to her campaign,” he wrote.

Tough love for Pa.
Obama offered a bit of tough love to Pennsylvania voters, saying some industrial and manufacturing jobs may not return to this steel region, but others could take their place.

Clinton also stressed job creation at campaign stops in Indiana and Kentucky, vowing to help manufacturers transition to new industries like clean energy and ending tax breaks for American companies that ship jobs overseas.

“I think this election, particularly here in Indiana, is about jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs,” the former first lady said.

Jobs and the economy are front and center in the remaining primary contests between the two Democratic hopefuls. Pennsylvania, which holds its primary April 22, has seen its manufacturing base and especially its steel industry weakened in recent decades, as has Indiana, which votes May 6.


While campaigning in Ohio, another big manufacturing state, both Clinton and Obama criticized free trade deals and insisted the other candidate was not as reliable a protector of U.S. jobs. Clinton won that state’s March 4 primary.

In Johnstown, a woman employed at a call center told Obama that 200 of her co-workers had lost jobs after the work was outsourced to India. She blamed free trade and asked what the Illinois senator would do about it.

“I don’t want to make a promise that I can bring back every job that’s left Johnstown. It’s just not true. Some of those jobs aren’t going to come back,” Obama answered.

“What I can do is try ... to create an environment in which jobs are being created,” he said, adding that they “may not be the same jobs that left and don’t come back.”

Clinton cites Bush for woes
Speaking in Indianapolis, Clinton tied many of the region’s economic woes to U.S. trade policy and to President Bush’s laissez-faire approach to China, where numerous America jobs have been shipped in recent years.

“We are now deeply in debt. We owe money to everybody, not just to China but to Mexico and practically any other country you can think of. We are $9 trillion in debt,” she said.

Obama, who is on a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, toured a factory that makes the wires that eventually become Slinky toys. He played with a Slinky through the visit.

Asked whether voters might be turned off by talk of some jobs not coming back, Obama said he was trying to give the phone worker a clear answer.

“The point I was making is that the same jobs are probably not going to come back. We’re not going to suddenly see Bethlehem Steel reopen,” he said. “What we’re going to see is potentially some specialty steel of the sort that we saw at Johnstown Wire that has created a niche that can grow.”

Also Saturday, former Democratic contender John Edwards made his first public comments on the race since dropping out two months ago.

“I have a very high opinion of both of them,” Edwards said of Obama and Clinton at the Young Democrats of North Carolina convention. “We would be blessed as a nation to have either one of them as president.”

At the same event, Chelsea Clinton said her travels have opened her eyes to sexism.

“I didn’t really get how much sexism there still was in our country until I was at a rally with my mom in New Hampshire, and someone came up to me and said, ‘I just can’t see a woman being commander in chief,”’ the former first daughter said.

She has always been supported by both the men and women in her family, she said. “I have been so profoundly more grateful than I have ever been over the past few months for my parents because of that.”


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Reagan always seemed pretty out of it to me. I don't get the whole St. Ronald thing that went on after his death. I'm sure he was a nice enough person, but boy oh boy was he out of touch with reality. McCain's heading down the same road.

I need a President who knows what's going on in the world. And I don't mean that he needs to know exactly what Purim means to Jews, but stuff like Shia/Sunni differences and why condoms are great for preventing HIV/AIDS--things that affect decision-making and policy.

As a woman - I didn't really get it either. Reagan did a lot to hold working women back as part of his campaign was about women being home, barefoot and pregnant.

~Amanda
 
I saw that. Ya know - I know the poster who said it was joking - or at least I hope he was. But I really don't find comments like that funny. It shouldn't be a joke to say one gender, race, or community shouldn't be able to vote. Our history as this country has shown that we haven't always been "fair" when it comes to that - I hardly think that now that we do treat "every man equal" that we should joke about it now.

JMHO and I would feel the same if someone on this thread said it.

~Amanda
 
I saw that. Ya know - I know the poster who said it was joking - or at least I hope he was. But I really don't find comments like that funny. It shouldn't be a joke to say one gender, race, or community shouldn't be able to vote. Our history as this country has shown that we haven't always been "fair" when it comes to that - I hardly think that now that we do treat "every man equal" that we should joke about it now.

JMHO and I would feel the same if someone on this thread said it.

~Amanda


I don't think they are joking.
 
I saw that. Ya know - I know the poster who said it was joking - or at least I hope he was. But I really don't find comments like that funny. It shouldn't be a joke to say one gender, race, or community shouldn't be able to vote. Our history as this country has shown that we haven't always been "fair" when it comes to that - I hardly think that now that we do treat "every man equal" that we should joke about it now.

JMHO and I would feel the same if someone on this thread said it.

~Amanda

I saw that too, and I thought the poster was either joking or :stir:. I don't find jokes like that funny either-we're really still too close to a time where we routinely disenfranchised people by gender, race and economic status. There are many in this country who would say that we're still doing it in some areas.
 
We know it was a joke or a :stir:-it just wasn't funny.

fun·ny1 –adjective 1.providing fun; causing amusement or laughter; amusing; comical: a funny remark; a funny person.

I thought it fit the definition quite well, I laughed.
 
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