The Liberal Thread #2 - No Debate Please

[DISUNC]

I wonder about supporters of both Hillary and Obama who claim that they will not vote or will vote McCain if their candidate is not chosen. Aren't they both better than McCain-or Bush revisited??

And you're right, Mugg-I have no life and I "talk" too much.....

NOT me! Strickly Democrat party line this year.

The worst Democrat on their worse day, is STILL BETTER than the best Republican on their Best day!

 

[Fitswimmer]

NOT me! Strickly Democrat party line this year.

The worst Democrat on their worse day, is STILL BETTER than the best Republican on their Best day!

That's why I'm a little confused about all the sniping between the two camps-good grief-they're both GREAT candidates!! The Republicans would give their yachts and second homes to have candidates that they could be that excited about!

 

[eclectics]

The worst Democrat on their worse day, is STILL BETTER than the best Republican on their Best day!

Amen! Although, imho, there haven't been many real Republicans in Washington since the Gerry Ford days. Just Right Wing Conservatives that don't know what else to call themselves.

 

[eclectics]

I just stole this line from "another" thread. Suits George Bush to a tee, doesn't it?


And bad speaker = uneducated/buffoon

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Because someone needs to say aloud what others are thinking;

Respectfully, speaking on behalf of many regulars and others who have been posting on the DIS and who have sustained this thread for many years as a safe haven here for a great deal longer than you (and myself as well, quite frankly);

No one here has ever determined what the particular "rules" of this thread should be for all, and we thank you in advance for not only respecting but upholding that fine tradition yourself.

The fact that we don't all think alike nor march in lockstep with each other is our strength, not our weakness.

Thanks Mugg. Not sure if your message will be heard but I appreciate the effort. Intelligent discussion among like-minded individuals in a 'safe' haven is what I expected on this thread and its precursor. Personally I hate the whining and moaning about how bad the 'other' candidate is when that candidate is another Democrat. But no one person speaks for what this thread is or is not.

 

[chris1gill]

I just stole this line from "another" thread. Suits George Bush to a tee, doesn't it?


And bad speaker = uneducated/buffoon

Hmm, my friend from Australia has been saying that for a long time It's the same response we get whenever we go over. Course that just reminded me, next time we go, we'll have a new President... wonder what they will say then... Can't be worse than the last one, or can it? Is McCain any better than Bush? I'm thinking not....

 

[eclectics]

Hmm, my friend from Australia has been saying that for a long time It's the same response we get whenever we go over. Course that just reminded me, next time we go, we'll have a new President... wonder what they will say then... Can't be worse than the last one, or can it? Is McCain any better than Bush? I'm thinking not....

If he's telling the truth and not just pandering to the righties to get votes, then no. If he's just pretending to embrace Bush and all his failed policies to get elected, then yes...... but not by very much.

 

[DISUNC]

That's why I'm a little confused about all the sniping between the two camps-good grief-they're both GREAT candidates!!

Thats Politics....Only ONE can win!

Amen! Although, imho, there haven't been many real Republicans in Washington since the Gerry Ford days. Just Right Wing Conservatives that don't know what else to call themselves.

True, the Reagan Admin was the 'beginning of the end" of the real Republican party.

I just stole this line from "another" thread. Suits George Bush to a tee, doesn't it?


And bad speaker = uneducated/buffoon

Thanks Mugg. Not sure if your message will be heard but I appreciate the effort. Intelligent discussion among like-minded individuals in a 'safe' haven is what I expected on this thread and its precursor. Personally I hate the whining and moaning about how bad the 'other' candidate is when that candidate is another Democrat. But no one person speaks for what this thread is or is not.

Is this ME!

Dont mean to or want to offend anybody here. Sorry if I offended anyone, never my intention.

Is McCain any better than Bush? I'm thinking not....

As far as I am concern, they are the same.

 

[punkin]

Is McCain any better than Bush? I'm thinking not....

He's smarter (yeah, I know, really hard bar to step over on that one) and I think more pragmatic. I would rather have McCain than Bush, but only by a thin margin.

 

[Tiziminchac]

I just stole this line from "another" thread. Suits George Bush to a tee, doesn't it?


And bad speaker = uneducated/buffoon

Can I ask a serious question? Ok, thanks. Are there any conservative dems out there? Or, who would you guys consider a conservative dem? I'm just curious.

 

[JARNJ3]

Can I ask a serious question? Ok, thanks. Are there any conservative dems out there? Or, who would you guys consider a conservative dem? I'm just curious.

I think they all converted to the other side!

Seriously, both parties are so polarized now - because they are truly polar opposites for very little room to compromise.

For example (in my humble opinion):

Choice - Republicans against it, Democrats for it
Government - Republican against it (ie want to trim it and make it smaller - present administration excepted), Democrats believe in government programs to take care of its citizenry
Marriage - Republicans against gay marriage, Democrats ok with it or an equivalent civil union
Stem Cell Research - Most Republicans against, Most Democrats for it
Energy policy - Republicans for free market, Democrats want to "green" the country
National Security - Republicans for pre-emptive war, Most Democrats against

Plus conservative and liberal are labels so overused and mean different things to different people......

Me - I just call myself Democrat - when asked what do I consider myself. I hardly ever use the word liberal - to me there's no need to!

Oh and back to your question - supposedly Joe Lieberman is a conservative democrat - but I wouldn't be upset if he converted after the election ...... he seems to be supporting the republican platform since his re-election....

 

[Fitswimmer]

He's smarter (yeah, I know, really hard bar to step over on that one) and I think more pragmatic. I would rather have McCain than Bush, but only by a thin margin.

The McCain of 2000 was a different man, now I think his desire to become President has allowed him to compromise his principles which to me is very sad. I wanted to vote for him in 2000 but by the time the Primary was held in NJ he was out.

 

[eclectics]

Can I ask a serious question? Ok, thanks. Are there any conservative dems out there? Or, who would you guys consider a conservative dem? I'm just curious.

Not only do they exist, there are plenty out there. I happen to lean fiscally conservative. I'm also not a fan of welfare and I support the death penalty in certain situations. I'm certainly not a Conservative but I'm not 100% Liberal either. Now, here's a question for you. How many left leaning Republicans are there out there?...... I haven't heard of one since Jacob Javits and have never known one in real life.

And as for the .....Right back atcha for all the love sentiments you guys give Obama and Hillary each and every day.

 

[chris1gill]

As far as I am concern, they are the same.

I think I agree... McCain has changed so much, he's just another Bush politician....

 

[Tiziminchac]

Not only do they exist, there are plenty out there. I happen to lean fiscally conservative. I'm also not a fan of welfare and I support the death penalty in certain situations. I'm certainly not a Conservative but I'm not 100% Liberal either. Now, here's a question for you. How many left leaning Republicans are there out there?...... I haven't heard of one since Jacob Javits and have never known one in real life.

And as for the .....Right back atcha for all the love sentiments you guys give Obama and Hillary each and every day.

You say there are plenty out there, well who are they? And I'm not asking to be a smart ***. I'm curious, that's all. Lieberman was mentioned. He had slipped my mind. But I could see how he could be considered a conservative dem. But who else, on a national level, could be brought up?

As for left leaning reps, I don't know. Some people think McCain is. But I don't really agree with that. Maybe I should ask this question on the "other" thread.

 

[LuvDuke]

Who knows what he should have done and how it would have turned out. Second guessing it at this point is useless.

To me, the biggest problem with Kerry was that it appeared those supporting him had more fight in them then he did. There was a lesson to be learned with the 2004 election.

 

[DISUNC]

Government - Republican against it (ie want to trim it and make it smaller - present administration excepted), Democrats believe in government programs to take care of its citizenry....

Yet the LARGEST Government expansion was done during the W admin! What about them saying they are 'Fiscally conservative'!

"Take care" is not the correct term..."Support the civic responsibility"
Republicans now want Corporations running the country! And if you dont agree they call it socialism or communism!

Capitalistic Financial system
Capitalistic Government

National Security - Republicans for pre-emptive war, Most Democrats against....

I am against Pre-emptive war...because it is the stoooooopidest concept ever created!

Oh and back to your question - supposedly Joe Lieberman is a conservative democrat - but I wouldn't be upset if he converted after the election ...... he seems to be supporting the republican platform since his re-election....

Libermann & Arlen Spector should start their own Party...The Opportunist Party!

 

[crazyforgoofy]

Is this ME!

Dont mean to or want to offend anybody here. Sorry if I offended anyone, never my intention.

I'm not the arbiter of anything! I simply stated my opinion about what this thread is ideally - for me. One person's intelligent comment is another's nonsense. I would hope we'd all use witty repartee and cogent comments in order to thwart the 'other side'.

I hope we can discuss the issues and the candidates as respectfully as possible - after all it is a presidential election year and we are Democrats - we're bound to bang heads on some things. I simply hope we can do so without too much gnashing of teeth and spilling of blood.

 

["Got Disney"]

Can I just say that I think it is incredible that we have a Woman and an African American running for POTUS...I never thought that in my life time I would have ever witnessed this.
Growing up things were still segregated to a point. Even towns were still part was Black and the other part was white. Woman were treated as if there brains were only good for cooking and cleaning and raising kids and men were the smart ones...after all it was and still is a White mans world.

WE have come a long way in a short amount of time. Wouldnt it be great if this turn in history made it to where men and woman and people of color made the same rate in pay instead of the white man making the highest salery for doing the same job as everyone else! We still have along way to go but with either Hillary or Obama as President that will be a large step forward. Either way with either candidate (Dems that is) it will bring change.

It is exciting and stressful at the same time. The country is voting in ways it has never done before and it is great not to have the same old hum drum as years past.

As for the mud slinging it is still mild than years past...there's only been a few remarks here and a few remarks there for the most part but nothing that would really hurt any of the 4 left candidates.

they were talking about McCain taking on Condoleeza Rice as VP and how Huckabee is trying to set himself up for that Position.

I sure wish we all new who the candidates wanted for VP.....wouldn't that throw a wrench into the works They (the candidates)are all being very hush hush on that.

I sure wish this would end so I could set my sights on one candidate or the other.

Great Country America

 

[swilphil]

The McCain of 2000 was a different man, now I think his desire to become President has allowed him to compromise his principles which to me is very sad. I wanted to vote for him in 2000 but by the time the Primary was held in NJ he was out.

I seem to remember talk about McCain being told to be a good little Republican and let GWB have his turn. Then the GOP powers-that-be would support McCain for president when Dubya was done. I'm not sure if this was in 2000 or in 2004 when John Kerry asked McCain to be his running mate, or both. Does anyone else remember this?