The Great 'Throwaway Room' Debate

I willa dmit it - I booked what ya'll are calling a "throwaway room" due to the fact that Disney gave me bad information. I called to book 1 week room-only with a military discount. I was YELLED at over the phone that the military didn't get any special perks, that they were the same as everyone else and was HUNG UP ON. This almost caused me to cancell our trip. After a long discussion with my DH, we booked off site via expedia and ended up with a Good Neighbor hotel about 5 minutes away from property. When our plans changed and we were leaving a day early, the DH suggested that we book 1 night on property. I mentioned that we would get some special perks and he was all for it. When I called and told the lady what happened, they looked up the previous phone call and it HAD been recorded - they were very sorry that it happened. We were given a room only military discount for the 1 night we stayed on property. Was I able to get 2 days of free parking? Yes I did. Was I able to reserve my FF+ in advance? Yes I was. (granted, it was 1 day at a time at 60 days each, but I got them) Did I get Magic Bands? Yes I did.


Do I feel bad about it? No. No I don't.

Its not up to YOU to decide how someone who has paid money uses their room that THEY have paid for.

It's not quite the same. You actually stayed the night there. There's people who never step foot in the room and there's people also booking throwaway rooms and the canceling just beore the trip because they still get the benefits.

I realize it's not up to me, but I can have my opinion.
 
That's what I thought. So why the need to book a campsite?

Maybe that poster wasn't aware and thought you needed to be a resort guest or maybe they set up shop at the site and wanted a place to go in between activities. As far as I know and have experienced all resort activities are open to anyone even non resort guests.

If anyone is interested in what you can do and if there is a fee here is a great website:

http://wdwprepschool.com/how-to-tour-disney-world-resorts-even-if-youre-not-staying-there/
 
Discussion is interesting, but the one question I haven't seen answered....can you sleep six in a throwaway room?? :)

You can do 10 in a throwaway campsite.

Or is this a riddle? Can't sleep six because you don't SLEEP in a throwaway room?
 
Maybe that poster wasn't aware and thought you needed to be a resort guest or maybe they set up shop at the site and wanted a place to go in between activities. As far as I know and have experienced all resort activities are open to anyone even non resort guests.

If anyone is interested in what you can do and if there is a fee here is a great website:

http://wdwprepschool.com/how-to-tour-disney-world-resorts-even-if-youre-not-staying-there/

Oh I like that website!

I definitely want to tour FW someday. When I looked into it, the only cost I was expecting was food and golf cart rental, so I didn't think you needed to be a guest to have fun there. However the poster made it sound the reason for doing so was so they could tour, not have a place to relax. They pointed out that their site was empty :confused3

I can't wait for them to return... I want to know the answer!
 

It's not quite the same. You actually stayed the night there. There's people who never step foot in the room and there's people also booking throwaway rooms and the canceling just beore the trip because they still get the benefits.

I realize it's not up to me, but I can have my opinion.

So you are saying if the person books and stays there for one night they should get the benefits for length of ticket??:scratchin

That poster stated they were leaving a day early and decided to stay at WDW b/c she knew they could get the perks for the rest of their trip and DH was in. What's the difference other than she slept in the room for a few hours?

This debate reminds of the people who are strongly against people who only order dessert at hard to get restaurants b/c it isn't fair to people who wanted dinner and now the restaurant lost revenue and the server a bigger tip and that isn't right.
 
Oh I like that website!

I definitely want to tour FW someday. When I looked into it, the only cost I was expecting was food and golf cart rental, so I didn't think you needed to be a guest to have fun there. However the poster made it sound the reason for doing so was so they could tour, not have a place to relax. They pointed out that their site was empty :confused3

I can't wait for them to return... I want to know the answer!

It is great. There are lots of fun things to do. We only did 3 park days at WDW and one at Uni/IOA on our last trip b/c I still had 2 pretty little ones who would not want to tour parks day after day, so we spent our off days(we only did a week on that trip) at the resorts and had a blast and WDW made a ton off us while we were enjoying the "free" stuff;) I also love all the special experiences you can do...they are not free, but still a lot of fun!!
 
So you are saying if the person books and stays there for one night they should get the benefits for length of ticket??:scratchin

That poster stated they were leaving a day early and decided to stay at WDW b/c she knew they could get the perks for the rest of their trip and DH was in. What's the difference other than she slept in the room for a few hours?

This debate reminds of the people who are strongly against people who only order dessert at hard to get restaurants b/c it isn't fair to people who wanted dinner and now the restaurant lost revenue and the server a bigger tip and that isn't right.

I was just pointing out that it's not really a throwaway room because you can't throwaway a room if someone is inside of it! :rotfl:
 
Other ways to get free things besides booking a throwaway room:

Buy one tiny hamburger and ask for lots of extra napkins at McDonald's. I do this instead of buying toilet paper! I also ask for extra ketchup and use those packets to refill my bottle at home. Pro tip: you can hit several locations in one day by using drive thrus.

If you're in a restaurant that has a tray of sugar packets, feel free to take all of those. You already paid for the meal. Splenda is expensive, so stock up!

This last one is kind of controversial so be careful how you do it: if you have to go to someone's wedding, take a gift tag with you (save one from a birthday) and put it on the nicest looking gift you see. You just saved potentially $100!

These are all such good ideas. Maybe this thread should be moved to the budget board! :rotfl2:
 
I have a hypothetical question. The last several years, Disney has kept the Magic Kingdom open for 24 hours. My DD and SIL took advantage of it, riding every attraction in the MK (when I arrived at 8 am, I found them sleeping on the rockers near hall of Presidents). Now suppose they had booked a room at one of the All-Stars for that same night but they didn't stay there.

Does that make it a throwaway room?
 
Other ways to get free things besides booking a throwaway room:

Buy one tiny hamburger and ask for lots of extra napkins at McDonald's. I do this instead of buying toilet paper! I also ask for extra ketchup and use those packets to refill my bottle at home. Pro tip: you can hit several locations in one day by using drive thrus.

If you're in a restaurant that has a tray of sugar packets, feel free to take all of those. You already paid for the meal. Splenda is expensive, so stock up!

This last one is kind of controversial so be careful how you do it: if you have to go to someone's wedding, take a gift tag with you (save one from a birthday) and put it on the nicest looking gift you see. You just saved potentially $100!

These are all such good ideas. Maybe this thread should be moved to the budget board! :rotfl2:

Wow, aren't you helpful!! You should be able to save for your next WDW trip in no time...and you may be able to save so much with those wonderful tips that you too can afford to pay for a throwaway room...just keep in mind you do actually have to pay for it though unlike your other tips where you are technically stealing, but you seem to be so frugal it should be no problem for you to save the extra money. It will be worth your hard work b/c nothing beats being able to pay for two different accommodations so you can have all the space you want with all the perks:thumbsup2 ;)
 
I have a hypothetical question. The last several years, Disney has kept the Magic Kingdom open for 24 hours. My DD and SIL took advantage of it, riding every attraction in the MK (when I arrived at 8 am, I found them sleeping on the rockers near hall of Presidents). Now suppose they had booked a room at one of the All-Stars for that same night but they didn't stay there.

Does that make it a throwaway room?

Are they booked anywhere else? If not, I'd say no.
 
To me, it seems like there are a few different issues getting jumbled together here.

The unlinked MBs and the throwaway rooms can be connected, but they don't have to be. I know many people (myself included) have used a throwaway room, but not unlinked bands. Others have used unlinked bands without a throwaway. For example, we had APs and stayed onsite four times in a year. We had four sets of bands, so for everything after the first stay, we could have set up new MDE accounts and used the extra MBs for SDFPs. We didn't do that, but that would have been an onsite stay sleeping in the room and having unlinked bands. Conversely, when we booked a throwaway for my SIL last fall, it was solely to get access to FP+. We didn't have fake people listed on the reservation or multiple bands per person.

The issues I've seen people raise are:

1) It's wrong to buy something and not use it to its fullest.
This just seems silly to me. I buy things all the time and don't use them. Nobody has ever suggested this was a moral failing.

2) Someone else might want the room you booked.
I don't understand this either. If they wanted the room, they could have booked it themselves. If it was open and available for me to book it, then it was available for anyone else. It appears that campsites are available for most of the rest of the year, so it doesn't seem that this practice has caused hundreds to be turned away from campsites. The same goes for value resorts.

3) A one-night reservation splits up a week and prevents someone else from booking a week.
A split stay that is just one or two nights in a resort would do the same thing, and nobody seems to think this is a problem. I don't understand why it matters if someone sleeps in the room or not, or if it's a campsite vs. a deluxe. The week is still "broken up" either way. If it's okay in one situation, it should be acceptable in the other as well.

4) People are stealing a week or more of benefits by booking for one night.
As mentioned previously, this is not true. They receive length-of-stay benefits. Parking and EMH are for the days of the stay. FP+ bookings are 60 days for the length of the resort stay. After that, it is a rolling 60 days. It's better than 30 days, but not as good as what someone staying onsite for a week would get. If you tried to sneak into EMHs after your checkout date or get extra days of free parking, that would be different, as that is not something you are entitle to have with your booking. The 60-day rolling booking window for FPs for the length of ticket IS included as one of your onsite stay benefits.

5) People are booking a campsite to get multiple MBs to make SDFPs.
I think this is likely a very small minority of those booking the throwaway. I also don't consider this synonymous with a throwaway (see beginning of my post). It seems most people do it for the MBs and the 60-day FP booking. I don't think I'd order extra MBs for fake guests, but the practice doesn't hurt me at all, so I won't comment. The unlinked bands just get you extra SDFPs, and most of the really good FPs are long gone to prebookings by that point.

6) Disney is losing money, as offsiters would be there without the throwaway, but people are being turned away from FW (and possible value resorts?) because of throwaways.
Since there is still availability at FW, I don't think this stands up well either. And I am sure some offsiters would not visit WDW unless they could get their throwaway benefits.
 
Famy,

1. It's not the same thing to buy something and plan to use it, then to buy something with the intention of never using it. I find that greedy and wasteful and I feel those things are moral issues.

2. According to the FW threads this is an issue, that is why Pete brought it up.

4. You're forgetting 180+10 benefit.

I'm not sure which is correct, according to the article FP is available for the length of ticket, not resort stay.

6. See 2
 
There is no such thing as a throwaway room. If the room is paid for, it is paid for. I have booked rooms and ended up having to stay elsewhere for many reasons. Once again, this is a non-issue to Disney. It is only moral issue. Do people speed on the freeway? Do people people run red lights? Do people use their windshield wipers without turning on their headlights? Let Disney worry about what affects Disney and let the chips fall where they may.

Bring on the cage match to the death, of the "abusers" of the campsites and the "non-abusers"
 
There is no such thing as a throwaway room. If the room is paid for, it is paid for. I have booked rooms and ended up having to stay elsewhere for many reasons. Once again, this is a non-issue to Disney. It is only moral issue. Do people speed on the freeway? Do people people run red lights? Do people use their windshield wipers without turning on their headlights? Let Disney worry about what affects Disney and let the chips fall where they may.

Bring on the cage match to the death, of the "abusers" of the campsites and the "non-abusers"

Your phrasing suggests that you did intend to use those hotel rooms.

I'm not sure how one could argue that speeding & running red lights could be immoral/unethical. Disobeying the law could be considered unethical. But those particular laws exist because of safety and not because those acts are considered unethical.
 
Famy,

1. It's not the same thing to buy something and plan to use it, then to buy something with the intention of never using it. I find that greedy and wasteful and I feel those things are moral issues.

2. According to the FW threads this is an issue, that is why Pete brought it up.

4. You're forgetting 180+10 benefit.

I'm not sure which is correct, according to the article FP is available for the length of ticket, not resort stay.

6. See 2

I guess we diverge on "use." If you are using the benefits of a resort stay, you are using them. It doesn't matter which ones. I stay onsite every time. I get free parking, but I have never used that benefit, as we don't rent a car when at WDW. How is not using the free parking any different than not sleeping in the room? I am paying Disney for the right to use certain features of a resort stay. I can use any or all of them. This is nothing like wasting food. If you need to use all of the features of a resort stay, you'd have to use ME, but still rent a car to use your free parking. If you have to sleep in the room from a certain number of hours, you'd be using electricity, water, housekeeping services, etc. I can't imagine how that is any more moral than not sleeping in the room.

I admit that I am not super-knowledgeable about FW. Lake Travis said there is availability every week for the rest of the year, other than Thanksgiving. I guess I can wander over to the FW thread to see what people can't get. Even if they can't get a campsite, I have no idea whether throwaways are to blame. I have no way to go there and count which sites are unoccupied, find out from Disney whether they were actually booked or were open, and if they were booked, I couldn't contact the person who made the reservation to find out if this was a throwaway.

Even if it does someone impact the ability to book a campground, that is not the issue for the person booking the throwaway. The other person who couldn't book it had equal access. If there are tons of dissatisfied potential campers, their recourse is to complain to Disney.

FP is available for the length of the stay, but also for the length of the ticket on a rolling basis. For example, if I book a throwaway for March 4th, on January 3rd, I can book my FPs for March 4th and 5th. If I have a seven-day ticket, I cannot book all seven days on January 3rd. On January 5th, I can log back in and book only March 6th. On January 6th, I can book March 7th and so forth. If I had booked the FW site for seven nights, I would have been able to book all FPs for March 4-11 on January 3rd. So, as you can see, the throwaway gives you an advantage over all offsiters, but you are still at a disadvantage compared to someone staying onsite for a week. The nature of this programming (separate and different than what's available to offsiters and onsiters) suggests to me that this is done intentionally, but I have no way to prove that. I can't remember if it was always a rolling 60 for the rest of the length of ticket or if it was added along the way. If it was added later, I think that is pretty solid proof that is an international benefit for someone staying onsite for at least part of a stay.
 
Your phrasing suggests that you did intend to use those hotel rooms.

I'm not sure how one could argue that speeding & running red lights could be immoral/unethical. Disobeying the law could be considered unethical. But those particular laws exist because of safety and not because those acts are considered unethical.

My phrasing suggests that you do not understand that Disney does not see this as an issue. Buy a crap-load of Disney stock and take up the issue at the annual stockholder meeting. This is a pie-in-the-sky discussion about a moral issue.
 
If someone doesn't like the way a business is being run, they should stop going. Boycott the business. In this case, I beg those who find this a big problem to boycott Disney. Show them you won't be pushed around. Don't go back until policy is changed. I beg you. If you believe strongly about something, then you have to be willing to back it up.
 












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