The Dixie Chicks Denounce President Bush

[bsnyder]

Dr. P,

I also read an inordinate amount of news each day.

But all of the things you've referenced sound like opinion or editorial comments to me. If you'll look back at your posts, you presented them as facts, in an attempt, I guess, to back up your equating Bush with Hitler.

I'd be interested in seeing hard facts to back up your claims that "the Bush administration is responsible for the increase in gas prices", "Arab world outrage that contributed to things like 9/11". and all the other outrageous claims you made.

I also would really like to know more about this claim about Jeb's reelection. I live here in Florida and didn't see a word of this claim.

 

[jpmom97]

Dr P, are you saying that President Bush is responsible for the attack on 9/11? I just wasn't clear on what you wrote there.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Where was the outrage when Clinton sent troops to the Balkans and thousands of civilians were killed? Where was the outrage when he dropped a ton of bombs all over Iraq? Quit hating on the W.

 

[AmyA]

Originally posted by TwinMom7

As the mother of a Marine sitting in the sand of Kuwait, it really irks me to have him hear the stories of these war protestors. How demoralizing it has to be for these men and women to feel unappreciated, while these "stars" drive around in their limos, live in their mansions, flaunt their millions and then vocally support Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi people. My son has sand in his food and went three weeks without electricity or a shower, so I'm sorry - but I feel no compassion for Natalie Maines and her freedom of speech right now. My son is giving her that freedom of speech and he and his "boss" deserve our respect.

Well, as the wife of an Army NCO it's pretty insulting to hear you say that war protestors "support" Hussein. I am totally against this war, as is my DH. Will he head to the mid east and serve his country willingly and as ordered--yes. Does he agree with what or why we are doing it--no. Will his or his soldiers' morale be lessened by the fact that almost 1/2 the country is against this war--nope, not a bit. The fact that we think a non-UN supported war with Iraq is terrible mistake, does not mean that we "support" Hussein.

I am getting so tired of people equating being against the war with being nonsupportive of our troops or being unpatriotic. I support the troops--it's not their fault they are being forced into an unjust war. And, I love this country--even though I am very concerned with the right-wing, uber-conservative turn it has taken in the past few years.

also posted by TwinMom7
I'm SURE she's heard from Sony Records today! According to the news reports, the city of Nashville was in an uproar and the phone hadn't stopped ringing at Sony.

As a resident of Nashville, I can assure that the city was NOT in an "uproar". "Home" is still the number 1 selling CD at music retailers and chain stores here (in fact I just bought a copy of it last night at Wal-Mart--and I didn't even get a dirty look
) and no one has any plans to "boycott" their August concert. Plus, as the home of country music and as the city with some of the top country radio stations in the US, I can assure you that the Dixie Chicks are still welcome on "country radio". In fact, I heard "Travelin Soldier" 4 times in 4 hours yesterday.

BTW--DawnCT I find it rather hypocritical of you start this thread and then call Clinton the "Predator in Chief". I am with Jenzebelle--if it's not OK to slam President Bush, then it shouldn't be OK to slam any president at all.

 

[Laurajean1014]

Celebs are extremely uninformed and have little to know concept of real life or real life experiences. I believe they protest because they are afraid if called to support (they would not make as much or any money). Celebs, other than Paul Newman, Don Imus, Joanne Woodward and some others, are self-centered individuals that offer real people very little respect or notice. (I believe that the Clintons' fall under this catagory as well, although, they are intellegent, they certainly are self aborbed and self destructive).

As for GW and his group, I believe you could not get a better team during these life and times. Colin Powell is an exceptional individual with a vast international knowledge of policy. Cheney is also a great adviser for domestic and international affairs. I could not imagine what Gore would have done or hired to help run the government, with the house tilted out of his' favor.

I believe we have done more than our share of compromising, waiting, hand holding, etc. GB 12 years ago, allowed SH to end the war quickly and comply with the UNs. Clinton never followed up with SH (with any real ba**s) and now we have this problem. I also believe that SH is a Hitler type individual and that when someone protests against war, he takes it as a win for him and his dictatorship. What I have read and heard of how he treats people (his and others) is unexplainable, inhuman and evil. He killed his first at the age of 10 just to get into a club. When he became dictator, he named names during a televised meeting and the people were executed on the spot (just outside of where the meeting was being held). This is an evil man that is also a great coward (why else would he have 5 doubles plastic surgery enhanced so he lives and they die, if an assasination was to happen). This is a very sick individual and he has to be taken out or down.

There will be more killed in a non-war than in war (especially civilians). Doesn't anyone remember the cold war? This was the only war that had no proclamation but had tremendous civilian casualties......

War may not be the answer, but GWB did not pose the question, it was a lack of closure on both parties (R) and (D). GWB is now answering a mad man.

 

[Doctor P]

No, I am certainly not saying that we should lay the blame for a tragedy as immense as 9/11 on any single administration or on any single political party. There is plenty of blame/culpability to go around both on this side of the world and other areas of the world. What I am saying is that, apparently, the strident and very rigid and dogmatic foreign policy of the W. Bush administration contributed (significantly?) to further enraging the Arab world (as well as many of our allies) to the point that many of the extremist groups and radical politicians were pushed to the brink and have taken extreme actions in response/defense. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with the general aims of U.S. foreign policy or the ultimate ends that the W. Bush administration is seeking and has been seeking. It is the means that I sometimes question/worry about.

 

[Doctor P]

Since the veracity and fact basis of most of my assertions has been challenged, as an example I will provide one accessible popular press reference to the gas price issue and the Senate reports (including Department of Energy memos providing some of the evidence) on which some of the information is based.

See, "Soaring Oil Prices: Another Culprit?" TIME, March 17 (2003), p. 15 (in the Notebook section). All of the other assertions have also been covered in accessible national sources as well as more obtuse and academic sources.

 

[Laurajean1014]

I disagree. GWB has been extremely flexible (more so than I would have liked) with all that has happened (SH, breaking 1441, UN divided, 9/11 attacks, terrorism, allies - France, Germany, Russia). He has looked at nearly every angle of this current situation and that is more than BC did in 8 years.

It's easy to say, "This is what should be done" from the cheap seats (where we all sit, including the celebs and rock stars).

 

[one_cat]

Boy this thread sure got hijacked didn't it. I will just go on record saying it shows a serious lack of class when a performer will go in front of a crowd of people who are just there to hear them perform and make controversial political statements. They immediately turn off 50% of your fans in the audience. It's even worse when they make derogitory statements about their own country and it's leadership when they are overseas. That doesn't necessarily mean that I won't buy their albums in the future - I will just take their lack of class into account when I am making those kind of decisions.

 

[mikifan]

What I am saying is that, apparently, the strident and very rigid and dogmatic foreign policy of the W. Bush administration contributed (significantly?) to further enraging the Arab world (as well as many of our allies) to the point that many of the extremist groups and radical politicians were pushed to the brink and have taken extreme actions in response/defense


There were terrorists acts before George W. I think policy has little to do with terrorist actions and hating us, but our freedom and our culture has more to do with it. Listen to the words of Osama when he took credit for the attacks on the US. Our culture , lack of morals and Hollywood playing up these ideas in popular culture is more to blame.

Jeff

 

[wvjules]

They immediately turn off 50% of your fans in the audience.

Where'd you get that figure?

 

[one_cat]

I think policy has little to do with terrorist actions and hating us, but our freedom and our culture has more to do with it. Listen to the words of Osama when he took credit for the attacks on the US. Our culture , lack of morals and Hollywood playing up these ideas in popular culture is more to blame.

It sounds to me like you are saying it's our own fault that we are being attacked by terrorists. If We would just shut hollywood down, start buying smaller houses, smaller cars and throw away our tvs they would leave us alone. I refuse to accept that. Our culture, our materialism and our morals are not to blame for the horrible attacks on 9/11 and the ones that are sure to follow. Individual people are solely responsible for their own actions. It is not our responsibility to appease every person around the world who is jealous of our affluence and influence. We do have a responsibility however to protect our country and our citizens no matter what the rest of the rest of the world thinks of us.

 

[one_cat]

Where'd you get that figure?

Typically a political issue has 50% or so mass support and 50% or so mass opposition otherwise it wouldn't be an issue. If you go on stage in front of a non-partisan group of people and talk about a political issue you will have 50% who agree with you and 50% who want to hang you from the rafters. Even a popularly elected president - which Bush wasn't - will only win by 1 or 2 percentage points. 48% or 49% will have voted against him. Talk politics in front of a group of people without prescreening them and you will have 50% against you from the start.

 

[off2disney]

Apparently the Dixie Chicks have heard (Loud and Clear) what the majority of people think about their comments -- so, yes, they have the right to their opinion. I have my right to disagree with their opinion and to express my opinion by boycotting their music. With radio stations refusing to play their music, and fans stating they will not buy their music or attend their concerts, they suddenly have apologized for the comments, stating that they were "disrespectful". Duh!

 

[doxdogy]

To me it all boils done to one word respect. I was taught to treat others with respect. I taught my daughter to treat others with respect. I would explain to her that, even if you don't like someone, agree with their views, they still should be treated with respect. As mention by an earlier poster, I go to listen to a concert not to hear their political views.

 

[shortbun]

I reserve my respect for those who have earned it. In this
time, getting elected President of the United States does
NOT automatically earn my respect - and why should it!?
Being elected by less than a majority of less than 40% of
registered voters who represent less than half of the
eligible voters-well that's about 20% of those eligible to
vote SO, ya still gotta earn my respect and "W" is FAR
FROM THAT! He has shown little respect for anyone that
doesn't agree with him-back at ya GWB! As a matter of fact, I'm
going out today and buy several Dixie Chicks CD's as an
indication that I appreciate their talent and their right
to express their opinion. I'm embarrassed that "W" is the
up front person for the greatest country in the world too!
That the truly great people no longer care to be the
leader of this country is pretty telling and so we are
out there with this guy who can't speak publicly, can't
keep a perspective on humility, can't even use his father
as an example of statesmanship. It's time REAL Americans
start letting the rest of the world know that we don't all
hold "W" as a symbol of what we stand for. I say "YOU GO!"
to the Dixie Chicks and all those entertainers or anyone
else willing to tell the world that we're not ALL sitting here
in this wonderful country liking the picture "W" is painting
of us to the world!

 

[Nancy]

I usually don't posy on these kinds of threads...rather just read and keep my opinions to myself. I should probably do that now too..but I'm going to jump in with both feet.

I am NOT politically savvy...I don't read all the newspapers and watch all the newscasts. What I do know is I remember sitting in my living for over 4 hours on 9/11 NOT knowing if my BIL and his wife were still alive!

My personal feelings are that all the actors and actresses who are making millions of dollars should join reality and see what has happened to REAL people as a result of 9/11. And I can excercise my freedom of speech by choosing not to watch their shows or go see ther movies, or buy their music. That is MY right as an American. Unfortunately there are too many people out there who DO listen to what celebrities say, that's why advertisers try to use celebrities to pitch their products.

My family suffered because of 9/11and luckily my BIL and his wife were ok, but they lost a lot of friends that had no chance on 9/11. I still get a sick feeling in my stomach when I see pictures of that day. I never want to see this happen again in mine or my kids lifetimes.

I fully support President Bush, our troops and my country.

oh there is also a new song being played on the country stations called "Have You Forgotten" Just wondering if anyone else has heard it yet?

 

[mikifan]

"We do have a responsibility however to protect our country and our citizens no matter what the rest of the rest of the world thinks of us."


This was my whole point! When someone attacks us due to who we are, not so much what we might have done!


Jeff

 

[DawnCt]

Originally posted by Nancy

oh there is also a new song being played on the country stations called "Have You Forgotten" Just wondering if anyone else has heard it yet?

I have heard it on the Sean Hannity Show. Some stations are finding it "too controversial" to play. Go figure.

 

[nkjzmom]

Just wanted to add something light....

The Young Women's group at church held a talent show & silent auction last night. My cousin was the emcee and at one point was looking to fill up time. She leaned over to our Grandpa and asked if he knew any good jokes. He replied, "Yes....................




THE DIXIE CHICKS"