OOO!! OOOOOO!!! OOOOOOOOOO!!! My Turn!!
What's going on on the DIS? It appears that all Disney naysayers are being targeted for extinction.
Just look at all recent threads where any negative Disney comment is made and you will see numerous rebuttals of the ferocious variety that are simply Rah, Rah, Disney is MY park sentiment by posters who generally have very few previous posts. I smell a Mickey Rat.
Come on Pete Werner, if you want all dissention gone just tell us.
I don't expect Pete to comment but I'm sure the apologists will arrive shortly.
Honestly, I'm thinking it's a combination of several factors.
1. The Rumors and News forum used to be a lot more hidden on the Dis. With it's move to a more prominent location, combined with the concerted effort by Thommy and Pete to boost the profile of the Rumor and News section of the park.... We get a LOT more people here than we used too.
2. For us oldtimers.... both old time R&N folks.... and Even Old-Time DIS folks.... there are certain topics, rumors, and questions which we've heard a million times before. We've Discussed them, or their core issues a millions times before. And then you get people who are newer and haven't run across one of those threads before.... and instantly you've gone a touched a sore subject without ever meaning too. (And a topic search doesn't help considering the very fluid way some of the topics around here flow and end up discussing topics completely different than that in the subject)
So ultimately, We have a LOT more people showing up here and trying to participate in the conversation. (never a bad thing).
Out of those people, We have:
* those who may be hardcore Disney fans who believe Disney can do no wrong... and will defend by any means against anyone who says otherwise
* Those who mean well...But step on one of those patently unique DIS-Landmines which result in all sorts of vitrol. [pool hopping/ GAC or ECV Abuse/ Reusing Resort Mugs/ etc etc etc]
* Those new to the Rumors and News who post the latest rumor they heard, which we have all heard a million times before. End result: Either some of us can come across a bit harsh in our blunt 'not gonna happen' responses because we don't feel like rehashing old conversations.... or someone takes it personally when we basically blow off their exciting, groundbreaking, totally epic news.
* And quite honestly..... We can have totally reasonable people stop by here who just aren't used to the level of debate [on a topic like Disney no less] we can have around here, and the passions that show on both sides, and who may end up taking things a little more personally than they were meant to.
And that doesn't even mention that some of us around here have very distinct personalities and beliefs, And therefor with more people joining into the conversation, it's only natural that some of those people (pro and con sides of the debate) may end up rubbing someone else the wrong way.
So based off what I've seen, I won't necessarily say that I've seen a HUGE change in the overall conversation around here, or a conspiracy theory against those who may not come across as 100% pro Disney.... But I have seen new Voices.... and I've seen some posts which treat reoccuring rumors or popularly held beliefs/opinions (which have been shot done as incorrect in past discussions with this group) as gospel.... And I've seen new people create posts with rumors and presented them as fact, complete with older members being extremely blunt [to be point of easy internet perception of their being mean] in telling them they are wrong.... And I've seen a few people who when they've had their argument backed against a logical wall, start resorting to circular arguments and possible name calling (on both sides) in an attempt to 'win' the internet debate.
Ultimately.... it's all a matter of perception.... both in the debates we have around here, and the way we handle the informaiton that conflicts with our opinion going into those debates.
I just wonder why the people who want to complain and bash Disney don't go to one of the I Hate Disney type websites out there. There are plenty of them FYI.
This is clearly a fan board, and people don't take kindly to bashing the very reason they are here in the first place.
And as for being attacked. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. I'm nothing but a fan. I don't have that many posts. I am not a troll, but a grown woman who adores Disney and I have been called a liar, a homosexual, a troll, a high school boy, and more. All by haters and negative people who collectively hang out here to bash anyone they can get their hands on in a gang style attack. People who have witnessed this have messages me to say they were sorry, it was so bad.
I have no sympathy for this OP at all. Just leave if you don't like it and find a website to hate on Disney on with the rest of the haters, if that's what you enjoy doing.
Honestly, I think that it's BECAUSE we are such big Disney fans that you see some of us become so very critical about Disney, or our perception on how they've been handling certain situations.
If we just hated Disney, I doubt many of us would put as much effort into our arguments or trying to get others to see out points.
As it is, At least in my case... I Love Disney. I get crap all the time about how I'm such a huge Disney fan. I've been going to Disney since I was a kid.... and Continue to do so now that I'm an adult and am blessed with the ability to go on a regular basis. But I'm also starting to see all the ways which the Disney that I grew up to love... and continued to love and be a fan of in my adult years, Has changed or stopped putting the effort into some of the things that helped me fall in love with it. I can be extremely critical of some the ways I see Disney as resting on it's laurals, or cheating it's past or future in the name of immediate profits.... but at the same time, I'll usually give credit were credit is due. I also still have, deep inside, the hope that Disney will right the ship and get back to doing what I believe they are capable of doing.
I see an empty shell of a Wonders of Life Pavilion, and it makes me want to cry. I see Disney give us a great new Omnimover attraction, and I love the detail they put into it and it's show building..... They I see them publically patting themselves on the back for "This amazing and totally groundbreaking experience they've brought us", And feel like slapping them and asking how they can consider a clone groundbreaking? Or how can they call repurposing land that was in use as part of an attraction's lagoon and showbuilding when the park opened, but which has been an empty field behind the public areas for the past 10yrs an "Expansion"?
I see the effort being put in by the little guys down the street in expanding the experiences for their guests, and I have to ask why Disney is cutting back on the experiences they give us?
If we didn't love Disney so much, It wouldn't hurt us so much to see them wasting their potential and becoming so lazy at times. And around here, it's often the place were we can express those feelings, and in the conversations we have, maybe help people see what we are talking about.
Sometimes, just like with some big names in sports, It takes those who love the thing (the game : The parks) to know enough about what they are capable of ( The Star Player : The Disney Company ), to be able to see how they are not putting the effort in, and who then have to help others see what's going on in order to have any hope of the situation ever changing.
Locked out, I don't always agree, but you do make one think now and then.
DC To Tall does it to!
First, I don't feel descent is insulting.....rudeness, sneakiness, being nasty and looking down on other peoples opinion is insulting. Resorting to using name calling to try and defend a opinion is the lowest form of arrogance. I find you and DCtotall don't do this and still make your points.
AKK
Wow!! I get a shout out??
There was no trap...but if you don't want to explain yourself that is your right. If your having some fun at my expense by talking in riddles, that's ok to, that doesn't bother me.
Your statement was negative, its certainty wasn't positive, but that doesn't make they negative opinion bad!
As to the siding scale....I disagree and explained why, I feel the service is great, The overall package is what makes the Disney resorts high quality.
AKK
Here's the way I look at it when it comes to the Onsite Disney Hotel value/quality argument.
There are pretty well established guidelines as far as what kind of quality and services warrant the 1 Star or Diamond... to 5 Star or Diamond type ratings.
You then look at the costs you would pay on average for a hotel/resort of each rating, in a decent tourist area.
In that.... Disney still doesn't add up.
first off.... Even Disney's Flagship GF won't qualify for a true Deluxe 5 Star rating, and yet they charge high end 5 star prices.
You'll see the service level/price mismatch across the board. Even if you use those standard industry rating criteria, and give Disney a little extra wiggle room due to the fact it's Disney, It can STILL be hard to justify the cost to stay in some of their onsite hotels.