The Conservative Thread: Back to Basics. Pass the Lasagna and Have a Flower!!

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In a round about way. I stated I had friends in East Germany that thought it was ironic we voted in a socialist POTUS. They thought we were stupid. Of course, the OS start the but, you're wrong...the "whole" world loves bo. They started attackin'. I said, "bless your heart" ...I was laughed at and called "Jesusy"....by someone who's not a Christian. I take that as mean-spirited and a personal attack.
I think Jesusy isn't a proper adjective. My AP English teacher would smack their hand.
They obviously know nothing about Jesus or don't like Him, either.
Remember that He said to take heart for the world will hate you, but to remember that it hated Him first (John 15:18). :hug:
 
I love our DVC. We like the deluxe resorts and staying on site. It's easy to get spoiled. I wish we had bought years ago. I never realized how much we would save.

Yours is BW? I want to stay there next. It looks like it would be fun. Of all things to forget last June, I left my swimsuit home. Someone mentioned BC and BW had a decent shop and so we went there. Now, I hope to stay there sometime. Maybe this year, we can just hang out there at night for a while.
 
Remember my post the other day about being called an anti-Semite? Well, now, those of us who support Palin are also "religious zealouts" and we need to really think about why we supported the ticket. "Clearly" many of us had a problem with a black man as President. And "clearly" we are against Jewish people. Never mind that many of the GOP is constantly fighting for Israel. And clearly we need to "get over it" and "clearly" we don't like anyone.

And "clearly" I think some people are barking mad. :headache:

At first I cried, and then I went on YouTube and found Handel's "Messiah" and listened to that. If you want to call me a zealout because I'm a Christian AND a conservative, knock your stinking socks off. In fact, I think I'll take that as a compliment. I think I was actually called an evil genius and an idiot all in the same breath. Funny, but that seems a bit contradictory to me. :rolleyes:

People sicken me, they really do.

And now I need to catch up on this thread, for real, and ignore the nonsense elsewhere.

It's really tough when we are ridiculed for our faith. A 'zealot' is defined as someone who is 'fanatically committed.' A 'fanatic' is described as 'A person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning enthusiasm, as for a cause.' -or- 'a person motivated by irrational enthusiasm '

Well, I for one, do not support Governor Palin because I am motivated by an unreasoning enthusiasm. I have very real reaasons. I also do not support Governor Palin because I'm motivated by irrational enthusiasm. I have very rational reasons for my support. (And this goes for many of the other Republicans mentioned lately...Jindal, etc...)

It seems that to many liberals, if you don't agree with their ideas, than you're unreasonable or irrational. Look, I have no trouble if someone thinks that Obama's economic plans are just what the country needs. As long as they have thought out the issue, and Obama's stand on it, and agrees with it, well, then more power to them. But just because someone thinks differently does not make them unreasonable or irrational.

That is just a cop-out way of trying to invalidate any supporter of an opponent. It's what they revert to when they don't have a strong enough stand on their candidate's issues themselves to hold their own in a conversation.
 
I think Jesusy isn't a proper adjective. My AP English teacher would smack their hand.
They obviously know nothing about Jesus or don't like Him, either.
Remember that He said to take heart for the world will hate you, but to remember that it hated Him first (John 15:18). :hug:

Go find your English teacher..and the her smack away!!:rotfl: "I love insincere blessings and how Jesusy!" Of course, when confronted...the tag team insinuates....it's not Christians she was bashing.... Gee, do you think they just admitted they were bashing me?:rotfl: I think it was both....and I take it as a personal attack. Oh well, won't be the first or last time.
 

I think Jesusy isn't a proper adjective. My AP English teacher would smack their hand.
They obviously know nothing about Jesus or don't like Him, either.
Remember that He said to take heart for the world will hate you, but to remember that it hated Him first (John 15:18). :hug:

Go find your English teacher..and let her smack away!!:rotfl: "I love insincere blessings and how Jesusy!" Of course, when confronted...the tag team says....it's not Christians she was bashing.... Gee, do you think they just admitted they were bashing me?:rotfl: I think it was both....and I take it as a personal attack. Oh well, won't be the first or last time.
 
Yes, apparently I'm close minded and a bigot because I vote for what I believe in. It's interesting. I talked with two locally that voted for Obama. We actually have discusions that don't involve them calling me a bigot or hateful or close minded. I know why they voted for him. I don't agree with them, but I do not attack them for their reasoning nor do they attack me for my conservative views. One is totally against the republican party. It does not matter who runs. The other just thinks Obama has our best interests at heart because he is angry with Pres. Bush, and he is mad over the high gas and grocery prices. He thinks Obama will decrease them. The one who is against the republican party is african american. I did ask her how things changed so much. Historically, the repubicans were the ones that promoted the freedom of slaves, which she agreed with. Her complaint against republicans was that historically she thought they were worse for the middle class than the democrats. We talked about it because AR was historically blue and turned red. She does believe abortion is wrong but not her right to decide for others. I asked "why is it double homicide if a pregnant woman is murdered," and she could not answer. She did agree the law was condradictory.
 
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What do we expect from people who think Al Franken would be good for the country?

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I don't agree with this.
Huckabee isn't appealing.

Romney has the Mormon baggage.

Guiliani has the 9/11 baggage. He was great for that event but I think in people's minds, Giuliani=disaster.

Gingrich=best choice of the 4 but he's kind of an also ran. He doesn't bring anything new and fresh.

Palin won't have a run for at least 2 election cycles. The voters need time to forget.

If the Republicans want to have a chance, they need their own version of change and they need a fresh face,eg. Jindal, Cantor, he's Jewish but I don't think the voters will care.

Jindal has served in Washington as Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services for Planning and Evaluation. He was later unanimously confirmed by a bipartisan vote of the United States Senate and began serving on July 9, 2001. In that position, he served as the principal policy advisor to the Secretary of Health and Human Services.[11] He resigned from that post on February 21, 2003, to return to Louisiana and run for governor.[12]

He looks like the best bet unless he chooses not to run or to wait a couple of cycles. He has, as far as I can tell, no skeletons in his closet.

i don't agree with your analysis of the candidates from 2008...
i don't think it was 'their fault' that they weren't ultimately chosen...
i think the current primary system is faulty and because of it, we ended up with john mccain...

the current primary system needs to be overhauled...

there should be one, nationwide primary.....why should iowa have so much power over who my candidate will be?

by the time the primary gets to michigan, the choice has already been made...
why is that fair? why shouldn't i have also had a chance to cast my primary vote for guiliani (my candidate of choice), or romney (my second choice)

the current system is unfair...

i don't think a candidate like john mccain would have made it through in a country-wide primary...

but even if he had, i would have felt it was fair...


by the way, regarding romney - why would being a mormon matter?

his father was governor of michigan in the dark ages (and in a state that has seriously blue tendencies), and his being a mormon didn't seem to matter....
 
:rotfl: :rotfl: Not feeling so tough at the moment -- my stomach is in knots over tomorrow. I need you guys for moral support. I'm afraid that people will back out when questioned tomorrow. If they back out, it will be his word against mine.

:hug: I hope they don't lose courage, and that everything goes well. Hang in there.
 
It's official. The trip is cancelled. I feel like crying. :( Good thing the kids didn't know about it or they'd be heartbroken. It was such a good deal too, but we need to be responsible. Maybe we can go next year. I'll have to make a plan to pay off some debt and save $$ - (DUH!) :)

Piper Palin is absolutely adorable! Darn that kid is cute.

I'm sorry, MM. I know that must be disappointing. Have you looked into the 7 for the price of 4 deal for Jan.-June 2009? You could swing something very cheaply that way.

I am encouraged by the young people I know, too. The Republicans really do need to get more of a presence in the colleges, year-round. Right now the Democrats pretty much have a lock on that demographic. I do realize that young people tend to be Democratic, but the Republicans can also have more of a voice there. They need to reach the younger generation.

Part of the problem here is the professors. So many of them are frankly former hippies from the 1960s, and then they spread it on to their colleagues and students, and on and on. I only knew of a couple of professors at my college who were Republican. The rest were rabidly liberal (and I say rabidly because the ones I knew loved to call cons and Repubs names, anywhere from stupid to racist). I knew a decent number of conservative females in college. There were more conservative guys though, but the problem at my school was most of the guys were the Country Club variety. In other words, the type that embody every stereotype about Republicans (they're all rich and are only worried about their own wallet). That turned many people, me included, off and kept many of us from getting into College Republicans, among other organizations.

I saw this somewhere...

What are your thoughts?

"If the GOP is smart, they will sit all these guys down sometime in the next year and discuss this. Otherwise, we will end up with the exact same fiasco we had this past year. They should tell Jindal, Palin, Sanford, Cantor, and others that their time will come. They are young enough to wait a term or two. They should build on their resumes by gaining seats on committees and chairmanships.

Palin should try to win re-election as Governor and then win a Senate seat before running again. She is only 44 and has plenty of time.

Jindal should be easily re-elected in Louisiana and then try for a Senate seat as well before running. He is only 37, don't waste his political career so early.

Cantor should maybe try for Senate seat or win a Governor seat before running. He is also very young.

Ryan is also very young and should try for more experience in a Governor seat or Cabinet spot since he is a Policy Wonk extraordinaire.

In a nutshell, the GOP should run out Huckabee, Romney, Gingrich, and Giuliani. Let those guys fight it out during the Primaries and let the winner take on Obama. The young guard will then be better poised for 2016 if we lose in 2012, which we will if Obama is even remotely successful during his first term."

I agree about Sarah. I don't think she should go for Senate now. Finish her governor's term and then go after Murkowski's seat. Not a bad idea about Cantor going for Governor, but we pretty much already have our 2009 nominee for Governor. The earliest he could run would be 2013. So, you'd be looking at him for President no earlier than 2016. If we can wait that long on him, I think he'd be good to go by then, if not before.

AP, I'm sorry that you had to put up with a jerk! Good luck tomorrow!!!!:hug:

I don't agree with this.
Huckabee isn't appealing.

Romney has the Mormon baggage.

Guiliani has the 9/11 baggage. He was great for that event but I think in people's minds, Giuliani=disaster.

Gingrich=best choice of the 4 but he's kind of an also ran. He doesn't bring anything new and fresh.

Palin won't have a run for at least 2 election cycles. The voters need time to forget.

If the Republicans want to have a chance, they need their own version of change and they need a fresh face,eg. Jindal, Cantor, he's Jewish but I don't think the voters will care.

Jindal... looks like the best bet unless he chooses not to run or to wait a couple of cycles. He has, as far as I can tell, no skeletons in his closet.

Agreed; AP, good luck tomorrow!

riesmom, I agree and disagree with what you said. I agree on Huckabee, partially. He is appealing to many people, but I have a hard time seeing him be appealing on a GE scale. He'll simply reinforce the idea that the party is about social conservatism above all, as opposed to fiscal conservatism. Like I said before, I'm a social con myself, but I think the fiscal part has to be the centerpiece for the GOP to get back in power.

I agree on Romney. I supported him, but I know many evangelicals who wouldn't even though on paper, he was the right guy for them. I think though this was because of the smear campaign waged on him by certain factions, though. The main reason, policies aside, I don't like Huckabee is because I felt he fractured the base by making such a big stinking deal about Mitt's religion. He played evangelicals off of one another, IMO. And I say that as a fellow Southern Baptist like he is, as well as a person whose preacher is longtime friends with Mike. Cantor will probably have similar problems in the primaries, I hate to say. I just don't trust some people not to make religion an issue.

I don't think Palin will need to wait at least 2 election cycles. It all really depends on what happens the next couple of years. People in this country have a short memory a lot of the time. If Obama and Biden screw up badly enough, Sarah could start looking pretty good to a lot of people who currently don't like her. I really believe once the bloom is off the rose for O-B, quite a few people will start to question a lot of what they thought about Sarah.

I do think on paper Jindal is the best bet, but we don't know what'll happen in the coming years. I personally see him as one of the backbones of this party for years to come. So, I don't want to waste him in 2012 if it's clear it'll be a longshot to take back the WH. Same goes for Sarah.

Man, that made me sad...even the folks overseas can see better than 52% of us. And I am happy the 52% part was in there. We're all NOT like that!

Heard about this website from teamsarah --

http://reaganaction.com/


It's from Micheal, son of Ron -- about taking back the RNC and going after a more grassroots effort. I signed up - hope it works.

Thanks for the link, Debbie. I must check this out! :thumbsup2

I'm still behind, but I'll catch up. Thanks to all for the Pence articles. He sounds very promising, although I don't like the illegal immigration bit of it. However, beggars can't be choosey, I suppose. Overall, he sounds like the best for the job. Too bad they're trying to push him into another role. Boehner has got to go. Period.
 
Part of the problem here is the professors. So many of them are frankly former hippies from the 1960s, and then they spread it on to their colleagues and students, and on and on. I only knew of a couple of professors at my college who were Republican. The rest were rabidly liberal (and I say rabidly because the ones I knew loved to call cons and Repubs names, anywhere from stupid to racist). I knew a decent number of conservative females in college. There were more conservative guys though, but the problem at my school was most of the guys were the Country Club variety. In other words, the type that embody every stereotype about Republicans (they're all rich and are only worried about their own wallet). That turned many people, me included, off and kept many of us from getting into College Republicans, among other organizations.

I know...(sigh...:sad2: )

So many of them are frankly former hippies from the 1960s...

That describes my mom (not the college professor part, but the former hippie part!) :rotfl2:
 
That describes my mom (not the college professor part, but the former hippie part!) :rotfl2:

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One of my professors in college was a self-avowed Marxist. She would go on and on (and on...) about how the world would have no problems if we had only listened to the "great wisdom" of Karl Marx and treated The Communist Manifesto as if it were the Bible. She called Republicans racists, said Michael Moore was the most gifted filmmaker of our time, etc. :rolleyes:

No joke, but one day when I had to go to her office to take a make-up quiz, she didn't answer the door for a long time. When she finally did, her eyes were wild and her nose looked suspiciously white. She didn't know who I was (even though she knew my name and called me by name in class), what class I was referring to, or that she even taught a class! :eek: It took her about five minutes to come out of, er, lalaland enough to find and hand me the quiz.

The Michael Moore comment especially suddenly made sense to me after that incident. :rolleyes1
 
No joke, but one day when I had to go to her office to take a make-up quiz, she didn't answer the door for a long time. When she finally did, her eyes were wild and her nose looked suspiciously white. She didn't know who I was (even though she knew my name and called me by name in class), what class I was referring to, or that she even taught a class! :eek: It took her about five minutes to come out of, er, lalaland enough to find and hand me the quiz.

The Michael Moore comment especially suddenly made sense to me after that incident. :rolleyes1

Wow. Just...wow.:lmao:
 
Obama About to Give Boost to Abortion Agenda

We are started to get strong early confirmations that Obama would be the strong pro-abortion president we feared he would be. His transition staff is looking at list of Bush executive orders to reverse, including one banning spending taxpayer dollars for abortions in foreign countries. Obama is preparing to not only ignore the 75% of Americans who favor more restrictions on abortion, but to use taxpayer money to promote and pay for the destruction of unborn humans with beating hearts.

I encourage you to read the HotAir post regarding this issue:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/09/o ... irst-days/
 
Russia has obviously been testing Obama already. Some pundits today did say it would be smart to leave Bob Gates in (thought Obama would) but I haven't seen him lean toward anyone across the aisle. His party of change seems to have a lot of old Clinton faces though.

Is it possible at all that Obama is starting to think that maybe diplomacy is a little bit harder than he thought? And that he might have to back up talk with a strong defense? Or is it more likely that he is arrogant enough to think Bush was just an idiot & that he won't make those mistakes?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gf597jyCz32lFZ4VtaSc3XTi0HSwD94BEN8O1
 
Russia has obviously been testing Obama already. Some pundits today did say it would be smart to leave Bob Gates in (thought Obama would) but I haven't seen him lean toward anyone across the aisle. His party of change seems to have a lot of old Clinton faces though.

Is it possible at all that Obama is starting to think that maybe diplomacy is a little bit harder than he thought? And that he might have to back up talk with a strong defense? Or is it more likely that he is arrogant enough to think Bush was just an idiot & that he won't make those mistakes?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gf597jyCz32lFZ4VtaSc3XTi0HSwD94BEN8O1

yes, it looks like we're getting another round of clinton...
i couldn't stomach it when clinton was at the top, why would obama make it any better..

as for russia...very interesting....russia's been on the move back to its old evil empire days for some time now...
they view themselves in total rivalry with the US.....
but what makes it more interesting, russians are extremely racist....really really really really really racist....
so i wonder what having a black president will do to color their views (no pun intended)....and if it will impact their actions at all...
 
95% MUSLIM VOTER TURNOUT, 89% FOR OBAMA
By Muhammad Salim Akhtar

www.americanmuslimvoter.net

Washington, D.C. - 11/7/08: The American Muslim Taskforce on Civil Rights and Elections (AMT***) today released the results of a poll indicating that almost 90 percent of American Muslim voters picked Barack Obama in Tuesday's election. That survey of more than 600 American Muslim voters also indicated that just two percent of respondents cast their ballots for Sen. John McCain.

AMT Chair Dr Agha Saeed, along with AMT Board Members Nihad Awad and Mahdi Bray announced the survey results at a press conference held at the National Press Club in DC.

Genesis Research Associates, an independent polling and market research firm conducted the survey commissioned by AMT.

Newsweek reported the survey results by pointing out that "For the past few months, not a day went by without the words "Muslim" and "Obama" being mentioned in the same sentence. From the divisive shouts and jeers at McCain rallies to the Op-Ed pages of The New York Times to an interview with Colin Powell on NBC's "Meet the Press," Muslims-or at least the mention of them-have been more prevalent this campaign year than "Joe the Plumber....

"The American Muslim Task Force on Civil Rights and Elections released a poll today of over 600 Muslims from more than 10 states, including Florida and Pennsylvania, and it revealed that 89 percent of respondents voted for Obama, while only 2 percent voted for McCain. It also indicated that 95 percent of Muslims polled cast a ballot in this year's presidential election-the highest turnout in a U.S. election ever-and 14 percent of those were first-time voters."

Survey Findings:

Most of the respondents, or 78 percent, reside in ten states. These are:
Illinois, New York, Virginia, Michigan, California, Texas, New Jersey, Maryland, Florida, and Pennsylvania.

The sample was 55 percent female and 45 percent male.

Of the total number of respondents, 603, or 95 percent, said they voted in the presidential election, whether at the polls or by absentee ballot. This is the highest American Muslim voter turnout ever reported. The last poll of American Muslim voters showed that almost 89 percent vote on a regular basis.

Of those who voted, 13.6 percent said they did so for the first time.

One-fourth said they volunteered for or donated money to a political campaign in this election.

Of those who voted, 89 percent cast their ballot for Barack Obama. Just two percent voted for John McCain. Third party candidates did not do well and did much worse than in 2004.

American Muslim voters are increasingly identifying themselves with the Democratic Party. More than two-thirds said they consider themselves Democrats. Most of the rest, or 29 percent, still consider themselves independent. Only four percent say they are Republicans.

More than two-thirds, 63 percent, said the economy was the most important issue that affected their voting decision. This was followed by 16 percent who said the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were the most important. (In January, a sample of 1000 Muslim voters rated education and civil rights at the top of issues.)

Respondents whose household income is more than $200,000, the income bracket that may receive a tax increase during the Obama presidency, still voted overwhelmingly (87 percent) for Obama.
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As it was for many voters, this year's election was for Muslim voters a referendum on the eight-year Bush administration, said Agha Saeed, chairman of the American Muslim Task Force. "Muslim Americans self-consciously participated in the making of the world-historic shift in race relations and US self-understanding as a nation," he said.

The survey results indicate that the AMT had met its goal of getting more than 90 Muslim Americans to vote. These results are also consistent with the AMT exhortation that we should "support candidates who support civil liberties, world peace, universal healthcare, better education, a fair immigration policy and social justice."


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*** The American Muslim Taskforce on Civil Rights and Election is an umbrella organization representing American Muslim Alliance (AMA), American Muslims for Palestine (AMP), Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR), Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), Muslim Alliance in North America (MANA), Muslim American Society-Freedom Foundation (MAS-FF), Muslim Student Association - National (MSA-N), Muslim Ummah of North America (MUNA), and United Muslims of America (UMA).

Islamic Educational center of Orange County (IEC), Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) are affiliated with AMT as observers.
 
Ok, I've been off the boards since the 31st of October b/c my grandmother passed away that week and I've been out of town since then.

I've never in my life seen some of the things that I saw on election night (which was also the day of my grandmother's funeral). The whole family was gathered at one house (30 plus people), most of the family are conservatives.

One of my aunts has never voted in her life. She was seriously jumping up and down doing an Obama dance the entire night (mind you again this is the night of my grandmother's funeral - her mom!). This is a woman that does not work even though she has 4 children. She doesn't get child support because she doesn't want to make the father angry and have him take the kids. All she does is mooch off others. She actually told people she wanted Obama to win because it means she'll get a big check from the government! So she's dancing around the house all night, then she has the nerve to call my sister a NAZI because she voted for McCain! She said she was a complete racist because she didn't vote for Obama. She continued on acting like an idiot the entire evening, and then towards the end of the evening we come to find out that she didn't even vote! The idiot was acting like Obama was the second coming and everyone that didn't vote for him was evil and she didn't even vote.
 
They obviously know nothing about Jesus or don't like Him, either.
Remember that He said to take heart for the world will hate you, but to remember that it hated Him first (John 15:18). :hug:

My personal opinion is if I'm abiding by Biblical principles, but the rest of the world hates me, then I must be doing something right! :thumbsup2

I'm finding that the older I get, or maybe it's the further down the Christian road I get, the shrill mouthiness of dissenters matters less and less to me.
 
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