The bus...

[skater]

How do you know you couldn't stand it if you haven't tried it !!

Isn't that what you said to me about the mugs?

Wow. I don't remember saying that to you. What did I say exactly? (I'd really like to know).

I guess I think its obvious as to why I can't stand letting a bus go by at night when I'm tired and want to get to bed. Or in the morning when I want to get to RD, I think its obvious why I "couldn't stand" to just sit and let a bus go by because it was crowded.

But seriously, I do want to know what I said to you. I feel a little unsettled that I said something that stuck with you - especially because it sounds like you might have been offended.

 

[skater]

How do you know you couldn't stand it if you haven't tried it !!

Isn't that what you said to me about the mugs?

Never mind, I just found it. I said if you don't use mugs, then you don't know it the potential new system is a good idea or not. I guess I meant that someone who doesn't utilize something might not understand why someone who does use it could be upset by a change. I think its a little unusual for you to bring it up in this thread though.

 

[NHKristy76]

Call me crazy but... If someone is well enough to walk around the park until 12am, they are well enough to stand on the bus ride back. Don't get me wrong, I hate standing on the bus. But if I choose to get on a bus without an open seat, I expect to stand.

My child deserves a seat as well so I will not make her give up her seat to accommodate someone else.

 

[delaneyc52]

I did not read the entire thread but could tell early on it would go downhill. That being said...I think overall the buses are just fine. I've never had an issue with the drivers or the people on the bus. I just want to get to where I want to get to quickly and therefore have decided that I will save the money to get a rental car. Just simply not a bus person. But for the most part, I never had line issues, seat issues, or anything horribly negative happen to me on a bus...and people...I've been going to WDW for a gazillion years! (and not all car rental years) Am I oblivious? Or just in a proper frame of mind? Ease up everyone!

 

[KellyNY]

I personally believe that if you willingly decide to use Disney transortation, leave any expectations for special treatment in your room. At the end of the day everyone is tired and nobody was making you walk that late or forced you to make your kids stay up well after their bed time, or made you being pregnant walk and walk and walk, and so on. If it is so important to you to have a seat, rent a car or wait for another bus BUT do not expect people to take care of you. I do not buy all this talk about rude people who keep sitting, I think the one with expectations is the rude one.

 

[delaneyc52]

I personally believe that if you willingly decide to use Disney transortation, leave any expectations for special treatment in your room. At the end of the day everyone is tired and nobody was making you walk that late or forced you to make your kids stay up well after their bed time, or made you being pregnant walk and walk and walk, and so on. If it is so important to you to have a seat, rent a car or wait for another bus BUT do not expect people to take care of you. I do not buy all this talk about rude people who keep sitting, I think the one with expectations is the rude one.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

And this, my friends, is why we always rent a car. Even when staying on site. No problems being on my own timetable or getting my own seat. Despite planning, I ended up on a very crowded bus from DtD. The boats weren't running due to rain and lightning. I stood, very pregnant, holding my 3 year old all the while juggling the stroller. The guy next to me was visibly upset that the stroller was touching his leg. So, now we rent a car. Haven't had a problem since.

I agree! We love our rental cars!!!

I personally believe that if you willingly decide to use Disney transortation, leave any expectations for special treatment in your room. At the end of the day everyone is tired and nobody was making you walk that late or forced you to make your kids stay up well after their bed time, or made you being pregnant walk and walk and walk, and so on. If it is so important to you to have a seat, rent a car or wait for another bus BUT do not expect people to take care of you. I do not buy all this talk about rude people who keep sitting, I think the one with expectations is the rude one.

Yet another poster makes my point about both sides being judgmental.

That said, there is no way to agree on this issue. I can see how both sides thinks the other side is selfish or rude. Both sides have good points IMO. NOTE: I don't need a seat on any bus and will always give up my seat. I don't think anyone should ever expect a seat, but if I see someone who needs a seat (pregnant, holding a child, elderly, etc.), I believe common courtesy and kindness should prevail. This isn't just about leaving the park at 11:00 pm after Wishes. It's also about first thing in the morning. It's also about a mid-afternoon return trip from DTD. It's about a return trip at 7:00 pm to get the kids to bed at a decent hour. Kindness toward others shouldn't be turned on or off depending on the time of day. JMHO.

 

[KellyNY]

I agree! We love our rental cars!!!



Yet another poster makes my point about both sides being judgmental.

That said, there is no way to agree on this issue. I can see how both sides thinks the other side is selfish or rude. Both sides have good points IMO. NOTE: I don't need a seat on any bus and will always give up my seat. I don't think anyone should ever expect a seat, but if I see someone who needs a seat (pregnant, holding a child, elderly, etc.), I believe common courtesy and kindness should prevail. This isn't just about leaving the park at 11:00 pm after Wishes. It's also about first thing in the morning. It's also about a mid-afternoon return trip from DTD. It's about a return trip at 7:00 pm to get the kids to bed at a decent hour. Kindness toward others shouldn't be turned on or off depending on the time of day. JMHO.

Common courtesy is the rule I live by in everyday life when most people cannot avoid public transportation nor can wait for another bus or train. In Disney however it is different. Disney bus is not a life boat, another bus will come soon after, cabs are available, rentals, so many possibilities to take care of yourself and your family and not to rely on others, so.... I believe kindness is good, but thinking is a must.

 

[brunette8706]

I personally believe that if you willingly decide to use Disney transortation, leave any expectations for special treatment in your room. At the end of the day everyone is tired and nobody was making you walk that late or forced you to make your kids stay up well after their bed time, or made you being pregnant walk and walk and walk, and so on. If it is so important to you to have a seat, rent a car or wait for another bus BUT do not expect people to take care of you. I do not buy all this talk about rude people who keep sitting, I think the one with expectations is the rude one.

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Hi Kelly!!! Good post! Brunette

 

[KellyNY]

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Hi Kelly!!! Good post! Brunette

Hi Brunette, glad to see you, hope your trip was great.

 

[brunette8706]

It was, thanks for asking. When are you going back down?

 

[AwfullyBigAdventures]

That said, there is no way to agree on this issue. I can see how both sides thinks the other side is selfish or rude. Both sides have good points IMO. NOTE: I don't need a seat on any bus and will always give up my seat. I don't think anyone should ever expect a seat, but if I see someone who needs a seat (pregnant, holding a child, elderly, etc.), I believe common courtesy and kindness should prevail. This isn't just about leaving the park at 11:00 pm after Wishes. It's also about first thing in the morning. It's also about a mid-afternoon return trip from DTD. It's about a return trip at 7:00 pm to get the kids to bed at a decent hour. Kindness toward others shouldn't be turned on or off depending on the time of day. JMHO.

Personally, I don't think there is anything rude with sitting down. If you are tired and want a seat, then so be it, you were there first, it's yours. However, I love to see attitudes like DisneyDad's here. Kindness is never required, and I think that is part of what makes it so great when someone offers it "just because."

I try to teach my children to be polite and thoughtful, but if I required them to be nice, it wouldn't really mean much IMO. What warms my heart is when they do so without being told to. Three days ago, my daughter did all the dishes without being asked- it was like magic, I swear it was. Any worn out parent (especially single parents) probably knows exactly what I mean. I bet the people who do stand up spread a little of this magic around, and good for them. But those who don't aren't rude.

I've never been on a Disney bus, so I don't know how I'll handle it-I tend to get a little cranky when I'm tired. But in December we'll be down there for our very first WDW trip and after reading this thread I'm going to set a goal to be as thoughtful as I can while I'm down there, I don't want to drag down anyone elses vacation, and I'd like to be 'part of magic' for someone else if given the chance.

 

[KellyNY]

It was, thanks for asking. When are you going back down?

Glad to hear you had fun. No idea when I will go. Can you believe it, I got 4th PIN in mail in last 10 months when I have no plans, and they never gave me PINs in 10 years .

 

[KSDisneyDad]

Common courtesy is the rule I live by in everyday life when most people cannot avoid public transportation nor can wait for another bus or train. In Disney however it is different. Disney bus is not a life boat, another bus will come soon after, cabs are available, rentals, so many possibilities to take care of yourself and your family and not to rely on others, so.... I believe kindness is good, but thinking is a must.

Another thread today mentioned that 70% of visitors to Disney visit only once. Not sure how accurate that stat is, but it does illustrate that many guests are newbies. Plus, less than 2% of all visitors visit this website. In other words, there are many guests who may be naive. I never assume someone who enters a bus did so irresponsibly or expecting a seat. I think some just don't know. I guess I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt rather than assuming they should have researched this and knew to take a cab, rent a car, etc. You seem to assume everyone has poor intentions which I simply don't believe. But I may be just misreading your posts.

Plus, not everyone gets a chance for a seat. I saw a family who waited for 30 minutes with me in the sun at Typhoon Lagoon around 2:00 pm to go back to the resort. One had a small sleeping child. When the bus arrived, it "looked" empty as no one was standing, but upon entering, every seat was taken by someone from DTD. No one offered to give the Mom a seat. Should the Mom get off the bus and wait 30 minutes hoping the next bus wasn't already full and then wait another 30 minutes and so on....

Similarly, we have been FIRST in line at the All-Star Music first thing in the morning. When we got on the bus, there were no empty seats as everyone from the All-Star Sports had already taken the seats. If I was 7 months pregnant, I should just wait 20 minutes for the next bus?

My point is don't judge others. Not everyone is expert at public transportation. I never take public transportation except when travelling at WDW. Thank goodness most people are kind and help fellow strangers. Not everyone is which is why this thread keeps going and going.

ETA: I do think threads like this are good for both sides to see the other's viewpoint. We don't have to agree, but it's good to understand each other's perspective. It may make more people aware that getting onto buses that are crowded is not good if you desire a seat as others have good reasons to be seated too. It may make other people consider looking around to see if somone needs assistance when they are on buses.

 

[KellyNY]

Another thread today mentioned that 70% of visitors to Disney visit only once. Not sure how accurate that stat is, but it does illustrate that many guests are newbies. Plus, less than 2% of all visitors visit this website. In other words, there are many guests who may be naive. I never assume someone who enters a bus did so irresponsibly or expecting a seat. I think some just don't know. I guess I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt rather than assuming they should have researched this and knew to take a cab, rent a car, etc. You seem to assume everyone has poor intentions which I simply don't believe. But I may be just misreading your posts.

Plus, not everyone gets a chance for a seat. I saw a family who waited for 30 minutes with me in the sun at Typhoon Lagoon around 2:00 pm to go back to the resort. One had a small sleeping child. When the bus arrived, it "looked" empty as no one was standing, but upon entering, every seat was taken by someone from DTD. No one offered to give the Mom a seat. Should the Mom get off the bus and wait 30 minutes hoping the next bus wasn't already full and then wait another 30 minutes and so on....

Similarly, we have been FIRST in line at the All-Star Music first thing in the morning. When we got on the bus, there were no empty seats as everyone from the All-Star Sports had already taken the seats. If I was 7 months pregnant, I should just wait 20 minutes for the next bus?

My point is don't judge others. Not everyone is expert at public transportation. I never take public transportation except when travelling at WDW. Thank goodness most people are kind and help fellow strangers. Not everyone is which is why this thread keeps going and going.

ETA: I do think threads like this are good for both sides to see the other's viewpoint. We don't have to agree, but it's good to understand each other's perspective. It may make more people aware that getting onto buses that are crowded is not good if you desire a seat as others have good reasons to be seated too. It may make other people consider looking around to see if somone needs assistance when they are on buses.

I do not know under which rock someone needs to live to not know what to expect from public transportation. You do not need to be on board to have an idea what to expect, so if you have needs just think how to make it work. I was pregnant too, I was holding sleeping child as well and since I had no extra cash to rent a car, I am a single mom, I was sitting on a ground with my sleeping dd waiting for a next bus, she was sleeping anyway. So basically I do not assume bad in people but I do assume they are adults who can think.

As for judging, I believe that there is a great deal of judging toward people who keep sitting. The moment someone starts such thread there are always people with comments like 'I give my seat and so my kids, it is just right thing to do, common courtesy, kindness...' and so on. How is that not judging. So anyone who is just as tired, who waited just as much or possibly even more for another bus, just like me, and is happy to get this seat which is rightfully their for the next 15 min is meen and not kind and basically was raised by wolves having no manners. You see what I mean, right. You also used those words even so I do not believe that you were judging considering your posts,but there are some members who will basicaly start manners wars over something that is not even in common courtesy category but more of the personal choice, something that you believe is right for you in a particular situation.

I agree however that every situation is different and since it is a personal choice I do believe that there is no uniform behaivor here. Once in a while a person who always gives his seat will remain sitted no matter what and someone who never gives his seat will get up. All depends on what you feel is right for you to do at that moment.

 

[skater]

I don't look at someone on a bus and judge them. But I do believe in universal rights and wrongs and my family will be giving up our seats for someone needier.

If someone asks me for money on the street, I may give it to him. Sure he could have "thought" and maybe made better choices that wouldn't have put him on the street. If I choose to give him money, its on him whether he deserves it or not.

If we (my family) give up our seats, its not up to us to judge whether or not someone should have waited for the next bus or rented a car, etc. If they were evilly planning to rush on a crowded bus with the expectation that someone would give them a seat, that's their choice. I will continue to do what I feel is the right thing.

And everybody else can do what they think is right.

 

[Tlou]

We booked our September vacation in March... in July I developed a case of Plantar Fasciitis which can make it REALLY painful to put weight on that foot. I am however going to keep my vacation plans because it's WDW for god's sake, who would give that up, right?

I'm a bit overweight but otherwise look like a normal healthy thirty something guy... well I'm super handsome too, but normal. Anyways, if I happen to get a seat on a bus there is no chance I will give it up for anybody. I don't care what their situation is... because by the end of the day I will probably be in a pretty bad way myself. On the other hand, if the bus is standing room only I will stand because that will be the hand I was dealt...

Now, I'm a bit confused about the whole waiting for the next bus thing because what are you doing while you're waiting for the bus? The last couple times I was at WDW they didn't have lounge chairs in the bus lines.

 

[mickey&minnie04]

I feel the need to defend my "waiting for the bus" stance.....it's not like we are waiting for hours upon hours. Why does waiting on a bench for another bus to come so that I guarantee myself a seat upset so many people? My husband and I sit on a bench relax, talk about what we've done that day, what we want to do the rest fo the day, enjoy each others company and just plain enjoy the scenery! Kind of like a stop and smell the roses kind of thing. That being said, it's not for some....take commando planners, I can see them not being able to do this, it's not in their schedule. I've never been that kind of planner, so stopping to smell the roses doesn't bother me. If I don't get everything done this trip then so be it, I've been before and certainly will be again.

 

[maxiesmom]

Now, I'm a bit confused about the whole waiting for the next bus thing because what are you doing while you're waiting for the bus? The last couple times I was at WDW they didn't have lounge chairs in the bus lines.

Most bus stops do have some seating. It is very limited, and you are not technically in line if you are sitting down, but there is seating.

It all comes down to personal choice. Do you want to stand on the bus, or do you want to wait for the next bus? Or do you want to amble on over to the taxi stand and grab a taxi back to your resort? No choice is wrong.

 

[skater]

We booked our September vacation in March... in July I developed a case of Plantar Fasciitis which can make it REALLY painful to put weight on that foot. I am however going to keep my vacation plans because it's WDW for god's sake, who would give that up, right?

I'm a bit overweight but otherwise look like a normal healthy thirty something guy... well I'm super handsome too, but normal. Anyways, if I happen to get a seat on a bus there is no chance I will give it up for anybody. I don't care what their situation is... because by the end of the day I will probably be in a pretty bad way myself. On the other hand, if the bus is standing room only I will stand because that will be the hand I was dealt...

Now, I'm a bit confused about the whole waiting for the next bus thing because what are you doing while you're waiting for the bus? The last couple times I was at WDW they didn't have lounge chairs in the bus lines.

You won't give up your seat because you need it. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, if it was me in your situation, I might give it up if I thought someone was in worse shape than me, but otherwise, I'd be keeping it too.