The big G+ rides at HS gone by 1:07!

Another day and at 11:09 everything in my OP is unavailable and the standby waits are cray cray.

I know things may pop up later, but I feel for the people there right now.

cmon Disney, please fix this!!!!

increase hours. Increase ride capacity. Allow park hopping before 2. Maybe limit park capacity if you can’t handle these crowds. Get the shows and entertainment back. And if it’s still a hot mess, increase G+ capacity for goodness sakes. I’d rather wait in 15 minute lines for 5 good rides than 100+ minutes for 2-3. I may not do any for that long of a wait.
Do you have any feedback from guests at the park as far as success in snagging the drops throughout the day? I've read some feedback that although they pop up, most of them they are gone by the second window. Another gamble, with worse odds than a Vegas slot machine. Keep pulling to refresh, only to think you clicked on win to find out your out of luck....
 
So, this is an interesting thought to me. I hear it a lot on this board that once post-pandemic demand starts to dry up, that they will have squandered all their PR and good will and they will be ruined in some sense.

No, I don't think they'll be ruined but I think their current strategy can only really work in the short-term before they have to compromise something to increase guest satisfaction as you say (be that pricing and perks etc) because that dissatisfaction word of mouth will start filtering out when people get back home, if TripAdvisor is reflective (and of course those who have a problem tend to post more)

But those bad reviews (for DHS) are starting to pile up - https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...sney_s_Hollywood_Studios-Orlando_Florida.html
 
So, this is an interesting thought to me. I hear it a lot on this board that once post-pandemic demand starts to dry up, that they will have squandered all their PR and good will and they will be ruined in some sense. History says differently though. They've weathered multiple storms of people saying they are outraged and done with Disney when they've made changes or taken things away, yet the crowds remain immense. But, when I really think about that, even if they start to see significant drops in demand, they'll do what they've done in the past and start offering varying incentives and discounts to entice people back. Also, if crowds drop off significantly, the issues of long wait times go away and the G+ proposition changes. I seem to remember too that somewhere Chapek publicly stated that one of their strategies is to find ways to reduce demand while retaining profits. If all that is true, then G+ may be working exactly as they hope. If they see lower demands but maintain profits, they will be thrilled. I'd like to believe that they care about the good will of long-term fans, but I think that's a fantasy.

Ultimately, I also don't believe that they are doing irreparable harm. If they do need to juice back up attendance numbers they can do so relatively easily by offering discounts or other perks. I also think many of the people on this board would be some of the first to rush to book a trip in that event. Long and short from my perspective (obviously just opinion since I have no insider info) is that they have relatively little to lose by doing what they are doing. It sucks for long-term fans and consumers like most of us on this board, but from a business perspective, I suspect Disney is perfectly happy about where things sit today.

I don't really see anything wrong with what's going on today. The parks are super crowded, so of course, the tech is less than perfect. I didn't hear anyone here complaining about it when the crowds weren't as bad when this product was introduced.

I also think that people will keep coming back. Disney hits the sweet spot for young children that aren't old enough to hike National Parks.
 
No, I don't think they'll be ruined but I think their current strategy can only really work in the short-term before they have to compromise something to increase guest satisfaction as you say (be that pricing and perks etc) because that dissatisfaction word of mouth will start filtering out when people get back home, if TripAdvisor is reflective (and of course those who have a problem tend to post more)

But those bad reviews (for DHS) are starting to pile up - https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...sney_s_Hollywood_Studios-Orlando_Florida.html
It's entirely possible that it's only good as a short-term strategy and I certainly wouldn't say that Disney doesn't care about bad word of mouth. Any reasonable company does. I just think that for the moment they are willing to ride out this strategy for as long as it is working (from their perspective) and then shift to some other strategy once they see profits slipping. That sucks for anyone wanting to visit in the short term, but I just see people posting that they think Disney needs to change or fix the current system and from a consumer perspective, I agree. I just don't think Disney really sees it as a problem they want to fix yet. Which is unfortunate. It really does seem like the best strategy for those unhappy with the parks is to stay away, but that's easier said than done. It's why I still frequent a Disney message board and spend time thinking about when/if I may be taking another trip. Sigh.
 

Don’t be fooled. Just because WDW is crowded and everyone is purchasing genie+ does not spell success in regards to their new procedures. You have thousands of people who are taking their postponed vacations and international travelers only allowed into the US as of a couple months ago. WDW current profits in regards to parks and resorts has all to due with the state of the pandemic improving and nothing to do with their current offerings.

I’d imagine very few people are thinking “oh this new genie + looks awesome we have to go there and try it!”

I think, a lot of the postponed vacations happened last year. I don't think people are not going to go to Disney because of G+.
 
…but you realize it’s not a guarantee? I don’t think you understand the system. You can be a morning person… you can have the money to spend and be ready to spend it… but ILLS for some attracts sell out in minutes.

also I’m not sure you completely understand how genie+ works. The genie doesn’t care if you are a morning person. Also doesn’t care if you have the extra funds and are willing to spend them. You actually can’t just “book LLs for the rides you want to do”!!! ILLs sell out in minutes for some rides… there’s thousands of people who don’t get one. As far as LLs go, at least as DHS is concerned and possible even MK unless you have a very short must do ride list you are def not getting whatever LLs you want to do!

Is this true at both WDW and DL/DCA?
 
It seems that DHS is the biggest nightmare and the other parks are ok. They REALLY need to start extending hours there. 8 am open with 7 am EMH and 10 pm or later closings. This is ridiculous. I’m sure there are people who go to Orlando and only go to DHS due to Galaxy’s Edge (and some for toy story).
 
I have a question for those trying to solely use Genie+ for the sake of stacking their late afternoon/evening at DHS, what has been your recent experience, especially on crowded days? I've been checking the tip board some days, and it seems like if you want Slinky, you have to hope you don't miss the window where it's offered a "later in the day" time. Then at 11AM (or so), you have to hope that the next great ride is still available and offered later. Just seems like a gamble. I am not so "worried" about Smuggler's Run as my family and I do single rider anyway.

Any tips or insight on solely stacking for late afternoon/night at DHS would be helpful!
 
As someone who would stay off property, FP+ was awful. After two bad experiences with trying to book anything, I switched to DL and never went back to WDW. Now, I might as I could just book LLs for the rides I want to do, which I couldn't do before. And I'm a morning person, so that shouldn't be a problem.
As someone who has stayed offsite and used G+, it is definitely not that easy. For example on our DHS day I was unable to purchase ROTR as it sold out well before offsite guests could buy it. And by the time offsite guests can enter the park, the standby lines are already crazy. We were only able to get 2 "good" rides using G+ and even that took a ton of refreshing.

With FP+, even as offsite I could choose 3 FPs in advance and plan my rope dropping around EMH to still have the option to ride tier 1 rides without a wait.
 
The universal EP comparison really isn’t an equal comparison at all.

Both parks at universal can be done to completion in two days with EP. Some would even argue you could do it in 1! The incredibly high price of EP for a family of 5 *might* feel doable to some folks for one day. Maybe 2. Or they stay in a premier hotel and get 2 days of EP for a family of 5 for $300 or $400 total. For a room AND 2 days of express pass for 5 people.

that does not transfer to the Disney meca. Many folks take 4 or 5 days to do the parks. 5 days for 5 people at @200 a day? Nope. That adds $5,000 to a trip where I can get the “similar” experience at universal for $400, room included, and get it all done in 2 days.

This is an apples and oranges comparison that does not work.

I get the two parks have a lot of differences in terms of size and offerings, but at the end of the day they are two theme parks in the same city who are competing for the same crowd pool of guests - and will continue to do so. Why wouldn’t someone compare quality of the guest experience they offer?? And universal is in the process of building another park, it would seem logical they would continue to offer the existing perks there as well. Just because you can’t do Disney as quickly doesn’t mean you can’t compare the value of what you are receiving. In fact, we are doing a 10 day trip and splitting our time equally between the 2. Even though there is more to see and experience at Disney, we felt what we were getting in terms of value was so far superior in Universal it was easily worth spending more of our time and money there. The delux resorts are half the price and includes the unlimited express. Maybe Disney can’t duplicate that because they are so big, but Disney did that to itself.
 
We usually do a midday break but if we are in the park midday we do a lunch ADR, parades and shows. We really don’t do many rides midday. That’s what we’ve been doing for 20 years and I got those tips from this board. I don’t think it’s the right way to tour but it’s what has worked for us. IMO there’s no right or wrong way. Its about what works for your family.
Agree, we used to take a break midday as well- then head to the pool or have nap time for the kids. It worked well for us and we didn't mind getting up early for RD when we knew we could hop on a few rides before the volume picked up later in the morning. From what I'm hearing on these boards though, RD is only really allowing you one ride before crazy sets in, which is not ideal if you are getting up at 6 am for the benefit of RD. Seems like there may be no time without very long wait times is what I'm reading? especially if you have to go during schools breaks? We always found a way to make it work though - either getting to the parks for RD or doing events like early morning magic at Fantasyland or ToyStory Land. My kids loved these ! We found those rather pleasant - even during East week! It would be super helpful if they brought back some of these type of events to give folks that option - rather than 30 minutes of early entry.
 
Agree, we used to take a break midday as well- then head to the pool or have nap time for the kids. It worked well for us and we didn't mind getting up early for RD when we knew we could hop on a few rides before the volume picked up later in the morning. From what I'm hearing on these boards though, RD is only really allowing you one ride before crazy sets in, which is not ideal if you are getting up at 6 am for the benefit of RD. Seems like there may be no time without very long wait times is what I'm reading? especially if you have to go during schools breaks? We always found a way to make it work though - either getting to the parks for RD or doing events like early morning magic at Fantasyland or ToyStory Land. My kids loved these ! We found those rather pleasant - even during East week! It would be super helpful if they brought back some of these type of events to give folks that option - rather than 30 minutes of early entry.
Yes. They need to start early morning and after hours events.
 
Yes I've started a forum G+ the good the bad and the ugly - - was there last week.

G+ - not worth it at AK, Epcot if you take advantage of early mornings/evenings
- Helpful at MK (with caveats)
- And while I thought it would be helpful at DHS - I felt completely robbed in that park! ( we paid for G+. At 7A went on line and Got Mickey/Minnie ILL$ and G+ got ToT at 11A (nothing earlier was available) and then went to the Park. We arrived at 7:30 where the line to get in had already formed. As an on site guest we expected opening at 8:30 and were nicely surprised when the park opened around 8A. Immediately went to RoR waited about 30 min since that's where most others went too and were done by 8:45. But lines at others were already posted in the 1 hr range. Had a chance to do TSM and RRC (single rider) before we went on our G+ ToT time. when we got off a little after 11 THERE WAS NOTHING AVAILABLE ON ANY OF THE MAJOR RIDES IN G+ THE REST OF THE DAY! We didnt care about about SDD......later in the day we did MF with a 90 min wait and used our Mickey/Minnie ILL$ in the evening.

We essentially paid $15/pp to get 1 G+ ride on ToT! A total rip off. If you are not staying in disney property you are really behind the 8 ball especially on rides like SDD where G+ disappears in minutes after 7A resort guests get to register.
 
e had a terrible experience with G+ at HS last Friday. The selection was terrible. Most of the time windows were many hours later, even in the morning. Then everything good was gone by early afternoon. I think we may have successfully used it for 1 ride. $75 (party of 5) for one ride. What a horrible move by Disney. The de-evolution of the FastPass system over the years is practically criminal - an exaggeration, but I did really feel robbed of that $75.

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Exact same experience!!! Robbed of $75 for a family of 5! Only able to use G+ for 1 ride.
 
Do you have any feedback from guests at the park as far as success in snagging the drops throughout the day? I've read some feedback that although they pop up, most of them they are gone by the second window. Another gamble, with worse odds than a Vegas slot machine. Keep pulling to refresh, only to think you clicked on win to find out your out of luck....
I don’t, but I can only imagine….especially if you need to re log-in with an access code! 😡
 
Yes I've started a forum G+ the good the bad and the ugly - - was there last week.

G+ - not worth it at AK, Epcot if you take advantage of early mornings/evenings
- Helpful at MK (with caveats)
- And while I thought it would be helpful at DHS - I felt completely robbed in that park! ( we paid for G+. At 7A went on line and Got Mickey/Minnie ILL$ and G+ got ToT at 11A (nothing earlier was available) and then went to the Park. We arrived at 7:30 where the line to get in had already formed. As an on site guest we expected opening at 8:30 and were nicely surprised when the park opened around 8A. Immediately went to RoR waited about 30 min since that's where most others went too and were done by 8:45. But lines at others were already posted in the 1 hr range. Had a chance to do TSM and RRC (single rider) before we went on our G+ ToT time. when we got off a little after 11 THERE WAS NOTHING AVAILABLE ON ANY OF THE MAJOR RIDES IN G+ THE REST OF THE DAY! We didnt care about about SDD......later in the day we did MF with a 90 min wait and used our Mickey/Minnie ILL$ in the evening.

We essentially paid $15/pp to get 1 G+ ride on ToT! A total rip off. If you are not staying in disney property you are really behind the 8 ball especially on rides like SDD where G+ disappears in minutes after 7A resort guests get to register.
It was a great post, I’m glad you wrote about your experience.
 
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I think, a lot of the postponed vacations happened last year. I don't think people are not going to go to Disney because of G+.
I agree. People are not going to not go because of G+. But after a day at HS with only 2 G+ rides and 100+ minutes for everything else- will they want to come back? 🤔
 















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