The Bachelor-Brad Womack Take 2--Monday, Jan. 3 NO SPOILERS!

I think this comment is a bit harsh. If Emily doesn't feel comfortable with Brad meeting her daughter after all this time, I really think she should withdraw from the show.

How do you expect Brad to propose to a woman when he hasn't even met the daughter? That doesn't make any sense.

It does make sense. This isn't a normal proposal. Up until the moment he "proposes," she has no idea if he will make a commitment to her or some other woman.
 
It does make sense. This isn't a normal proposal. Up until the moment he "proposes," she has no idea if he will make a commitment to her or some other woman.

Yeah, I would never introduce my child to a guy like Brad, lol! If she IS interested in him, she should protect her daughter and if Brad was a real man...a good candidate for a step father, he'd respect that about her as a mother. he's a clueless clod, only interested in himself and really dumb to boot!!! I love watching the show though. I yell and laugh. that photo shoot was hilarious!!! He knew he was sending Michelle home and allowed her to lay all over him....hello, ladies, get a clue!
 
Emily is unbelievable...is anyone THAT pure?

Actually, it makes sense that she is that pure. Often, when people have experienced major emotional traumas, abuse, dysfunction or addiction, they are often emotionally stunted and stuck at the age that the trauma/dysfunction happened. We have to watch out for this during counseling because we need to treat them at this level also.

Emily lost her BF around age 17(?) She still emotionally acts 17 around Brad. You an hear it in her voice. She needs some grief counseling for her emotions to be brought "up to age."

If you watched Dancing With The Stars, a couple seasons back with Kelli Osbourne, while she was really in her mid-20's, she too behaved and had the emotions of a teen still. She has said in later interviews when talking about her addiction, that she was stuck emotionally at being a teen, and she grew up a lot on that show.


I disagree with this a little bit. She wasn't pushed into it.. she chose to do it. I didn't see anyone behind her saying, "jump, jump, jump.. you have to jump, we're not letting you come back this way." If she didn't feel comfortable with it, she could have said so. Brad is looking for a girl who is adventurous and takes risk. So I didn't really have an issue with this.

With regards to women showing emotions. Of course they can, I don't think Brad has a problem with that in general. But he certainly doesn't want a drama queen or someone who is going to cry, pout, and scream, every time something doesn't go their way.

People can be mentally, emotionally and socially pressured into things without someone standing directly behind them. Most of communication is non-verbal. Actual words take up about 10% of actual communication. We don't know what happened behind the scenes, the pressure she got from the producers and probably a crew of 10 standing there, all set up, ready for various shots of her jumping. Or what pressure she may have felt from Brad that were edited out. He could have been giving her signals that she might not be picked if she didn't jump.

There is a big difference in being adventurous and taking risks versus risking one's life.

As for showing emotions, Brad is passive-aggressive. He shuts down women who don't give him what he wants, and shuts himself down and removes himself. Ashley, on some level already knows that, which is why she felt the need to alter herself to be what Brad what's.

And if Brad really does not want a drama queen or someone who is going to cry, pout, and scream, every time something doesn't go their way, then he wouldn't have kept Chantal all this time ans she has cried (at least!) in the last 3 episodes begging him to send her home, if he doesn't want her. I think he gets off on her begging and showing him how much she wants him. It feeds his narcissism.



I can understand why. He hasn't committed to her yet. We all know those proposals are just for the audience. There is plenty of time for him to get to know her daughter after he commits to her and isn't dating and making out with a half dozen other women. If he were a gentleman, he wouldn't have pushed it, or he would have asked if he could just meet her very casually out in a park for a few minutes.

::yes:: :thumbsup2
 
Emily is well off money wise. She lives in the house she shared with Ricky. Rick Hendrick as of now only has two grandchildren, so she is set to inherit half of what is a massive fortune. Its not just the race team rick owns, but also tons of car dealerships. Not that money is really an issue, but I can see her more with a firestone like you said earlier
 


Reality TV World: Could you elaborate a little on what you actually said?

Michelle Money:" I just kind of hashed through the conversation I'd had outside the limo [with Brad]. We had a good conversation and I was in a good place and I felt -- I just felt good about his decision.

I felt more confident in his decision, and I talked a lot about my family, me and my daughter, and how they asked me what I had to say to the world and what I wanted to be remembered by.

And I said that I want to be remembered as a girl who's loving and who's forgiving and kind and a good mother. I spoke about my family and my daughter a lot, and I felt good about Brad's decision..."


....wow. That was SOME long walk.
 
If Brad picks Emily at the end, he doesn't have to propose to her, he can just say that he wants to get to know her better and date for awhile. Other bachelors have done that. Even though I didn't see the part of this week's episode with Emily, I've read enough here to form an opinion. I feel that Brad should not have pushed Emily to meet her daughter. I don't feel that not meeting the daughter is a deal breaker. Emily is right to put her daughter's needs first, especially in this kind of situation.

As far as Michelle and the "long walk and talk" before getting into the limo. I feel she was there to promote her career and that's why it was no big deal to be let go. Sure, she was probably disappointed not to be in the home visits but remember Wes? Michelle just played it smart and didn't tell anyone about her background whereas Wes messed up by disclosing a some of his. If Wes had not told others about ?? (I can't remember exactly what it was), then he probably would have made it to the end without any problem.
 
Reality TV World: Could you elaborate a little on what you actually said?

Michelle Money:" I just kind of hashed through the conversation I'd had outside the limo [with Brad]. We had a good conversation and I was in a good place and I felt -- I just felt good about his decision.

I felt more confident in his decision, and I talked a lot about my family, me and my daughter, and how they asked me what I had to say to the world and what I wanted to be remembered by.

And I said that I want to be remembered as a girl who's loving and who's forgiving and kind and a good mother. I spoke about my family and my daughter a lot, and I felt good about Brad's decision..."


....wow. That was SOME long walk.
I was reading that run-on sentence in a glance and I read "I want to be remembered as a girl who's loving and who's forgiving and a kindof good mother." I guess my subconscious opinion of her is not very good :lmao:.
 
and yet did she ever mention her daughter on the show??
As much as I dislike Michelle, and don't really want to give her the benefit of the doubt :laughing:, we don't know whether she mentioned her daughter or not. It could just be that those comments weren't aired.

kimmar067 said:
....wow. That was SOME long walk.
:lmao:
and on that long walk, didn't they show Brad ask her if she wanted to talk and she said "no"? What, did she change her mind after that and initiate a long conversation? :confused3
 
I do recall Michelle mentioning her daughter before on the show, but just as "her daughter", nothing special.

I was wondering how her exit was going to go. I was expecting something CRAZY!
 
It does make sense. This isn't a normal proposal. Up until the moment he "proposes," she has no idea if he will make a commitment to her or some other woman.

That's the risk she took when she came to the show. She has to compete for Brad, not the other way around.
 
He could have been giving her signals that she might not be picked if she didn't jump.

Even if this were true, I don't see it as that awful. This is Brad's show, he's the one making the decisions. If he wants to send a girl home for not jumping off a cliff, he's entitled to do so.

There is a big difference in being adventurous and taking risks versus risking one's life.

I guess we saw it differently. I didn't think Britt's life was in danger at any point in that jump.
 
So he would have financially been at Emily's level - assuming she is living in a style according to what her daughter would be accustomed to as the granddaughter of a NASCAR owner. Even if the bulk of the money is in trust, the family wouldn't leave her in poverty til she turned 21. The house in the previews show that.

Brad Womack is not hurting for money. He owns 4 lucrative bars and is developing a hotel. It sounds as though you're saying Brad isn't wealthy enough therefore he's not good enough for Emily.

I hope I'm misinterpreting what you're saying.
 
Competing for Brad doesn't need to involve her child.

Again, if he's going to pick Emily over 3 other women, he needs to meet Emily's entire family and have a good feeling about it. It would suck for him to pick Emily not having met her daughter and then for whatever reason, the daughter ends up not liking Brad. I would be very upset if I were him.
 
Again, if he's going to pick Emily over 3 other women, he needs to meet Emily's entire family and have a good feeling about it. It would suck for him to pick Emily not having met her daughter and then for whatever reason, the daughter ends up not liking Brad. I would be very upset if I were him.

If he is the kind of man that makes everything all about him, then she probably shouldn't involve her daughter. That kind of man is a jerk.
 
If he is the kind of man that makes everything all about him, then she probably shouldn't involve her daughter. That kind of man is a jerk.

If he's going to make a lifetime commitment to someone, it needs to be about him and it needs to be about Emily. They both need to feel like it's a perfect fit, which in this case, involves a child. She can simply introduce Brad as a friend.. that simple.

FYI, my mother also thinks its silly for Emily to have come on the show and then put up such a fight about letting Brad meet her daughter.
 
If he's going to make a lifetime commitment to someone, it needs to be about him and it needs to be about Emily. They both need to feel like it's a perfect fit, which in this case, involves a child. She can simply introduce Brad as a friend.. that simple.

FYI, my mother also thinks its silly for Emily to have come on the show and then put up such a fight about letting Brad meet her daughter.

We'll have to agree to disagree. You can't convince me that Brad wasn't a bully when he insisted he get to meet her daughter. They have plenty of time to involve the child, there is no need to for it to be right now...except to feed Brad's enormous ego.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree. You can't convince me that Brad wasn't a bully when he insisted he get to meet her daughter. They have plenty of time to involve the child, there is no need to for it to be right now...except to feed Brad's enormous ego.

well, yes, but he also has a time limit. I'm pretty sure the producers did not give him the option of NOT proposing again this time. I think it is a moot point tho, as the 2 just don't appear to connect. at least as far as the producers are allowing editing to show. Emily has more "family" involved than her daughter really (to me anyway)...he's kinda needing to gel with the Nascar world as well, it can be pretty tight. I think she also remembers he got as far as the F2 before and bailed...I would not be able to shake that. I would also agree with introducing him as a friend.
 















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