that Swift Vet who's now an assistant district attorney in Oregon...

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it appears ADA French has been the target of numerous ethics complaints -- something about false swearing in an affidavit -- and now must answer to the Oregon State Bar.

and everyone who filed a complaint will be given a copy of his response to the inquiry.

a friend of mine filed a complaint. he got a lovely response from the Oregon Bar.

I thought about posting the actual letter here, but I think I'll wait until it hits the newspapers...




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Is he running for President????? If not, then I really dont care what his ethics are, or anything else about him

Don't you think it might be a little important to know something about the men that are making these charges against Kerry?

Or, can they be just as slimy as they want to be as long as they say what you want to hear?
 

Originally posted by peachgirl
Don't you think it might be a little important to know something about the men that are making these charges against Kerry?

Or, can they be just as slimy as they want to be as long as they say what you want to hear?

Unless you have dirt on all 200+, the info is not very valuable. Of course, I'm sure the DNC has accepted that challenge and we'll be hearing more soon. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Pugdog007
Unless you have dirt on all 200+, the info is not very valuable. Of course, I'm sure the DNC has accepted that challenge and we'll be hearing more soon. :rolleyes:

So as long as there is a single one left who can't be proven to be a criminal, the accusations, despite the fact that there is not a shred of real evidence to back any on them up, sticks?

Ridiculous! You want to believe, so for you, that's all you need.:rolleyes:
 
Watching from Canada: it's interesting to see that one of the anti-Kerry Swift Boat vets has been hoisted upon his own petard. (names from the newspaper article escape me at this moment) He claims that their boats didn't receive any enemy fire on the day that Kerry "qualified" for one of the Bronze Stars, yet his own military records indicate the boats received enemy fire on that very day.

It will be most entertaining and educational to watch the US political sideshow from the comfort of the Great White North. The American political machine has great effects on Canada, yet many American politicians have little understanding of the importance of the breadth of the Canada-US relationship and little understanding of Canada.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
So as long as there is a single one left who can't be proven to be a criminal, the accusations, despite the fact that there is not a shred of real evidence to back any on them up, sticks?

I'm simply saying that since there are more than 200 vets with the same accounts of Kerry's service and character, you probably need dirt on more than one before anyone will take notice.
 
Every time they try and "swat" one, another issue gets raised:

Admiral speaks out, disputes Kerry's account of 1st wound


August 27, 2004

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST


NEW YORK -- Retired Rear Adm. William L. Schachte Jr. said Thursday in his first on-the-record interview about the swift boat veterans dispute that "I was absolutely in the skimmer" in the early morning on Dec. 2, 1968, when Lt. (j.g.) John Kerry was involved in an incident that led to his first Purple Heart.

"Kerry nicked himself with a M-79 [grenade launcher]," Schachte said in a telephone interview from his home in Charleston, S.C. He said, "Kerry requested a Purple Heart."

Schachte, a lieutenant, said he was in command of the small boat called a Boston whaler or skimmer, with Kerry aboard in his first combat mission in the Vietnam War. The third crew member was an enlisted man, whose name Schachte did not remember.

Two enlisted men who appeared at the podium with Kerry at the Democratic National Convention in Boston have asserted that they were alone in the small boat with Kerry, with no other officer present. Schachte said it "was not possible" for Kerry to have gone out alone so soon after joining the swift boat command in late November 1968.

Kerry supporters said no critics of the Democratic presidential nominee ever were aboard a boat with him in combat. Washington lawyer Lanny Davis has contended that Schachte was not aboard the Boston whaler and says the statement that Schachte was aboard in Unfit for Command undermines that critical book's credibility.

Schachte until now has refused to speak out publicly on this question and agreed to give only two interviews. One was a television interview with Lisa Meyers of NBC News, for broadcast Thursday night. The second was a print interview with me, for publication today.

Schachte described the use of the skimmer operating very close to shore as a technique that he personally designed to flush out enemy forces so that the larger swift boats could move in. Around 3 a.m. on Dec. 2, Schachte said, the skimmer -- code-named "Batman" -- fired a hand-held flare. He said that after Kerry's M-16 rifle jammed, the new officer picked up the M-79 and, "I heard a 'thunk.' There was no fire from the enemy," he said.

Patrick Runyon and William Zaladonis are the two enlisted men who said they were aboard the skimmer and did not know Schachte. However, two other former officers interviewed Thursday confirmed that Schachte was the originator of the technique and always was aboard the Boston whaler for these missions.

Grant Hibbard, who as a lieutenant commander was Schachte's superior officer, confirmed that Schachte always went on these skimmer missions and said, "I don't think he [Kerry] was alone" on his first assignment. Hibbard said he had told Kerry to "forget it" when he asked for a Purple Heart.

Ted Peck, another swift boat commander, said, "I remember Bill [Schachte] telling me it didn't happen" -- that is, Kerry getting an enemy-inflicted wound. He said it would be "impossible" for Kerry to have been in the skimmer without Schachte.

"I was astonished by Kerry's version" [in his book Tour of Duty] of what happened Dec. 2, Schachte said Thursday. When asked to support the Kerry critics in the swift boat controversy, Schachte said, "I didn't want to get involved." But he said he gradually began to change his mind when he saw his own involvement and credibility challenged, starting with Davis on CNN's "Crossfire" on Aug. 12.

The next time he saw Kerry after the first Purple Heart incident, Schachte said, was "about 20 years" later on the U.S. Senate subway in the basement of the Russell Senate Office Building. "I called, 'Hey, John.' He replied, 'Batman.' I was absolutely amazed by his memory." He said they "talked about having lunch" but never did it.

Schachte said he never has been contacted by or talked to anybody in the Bush-Cheney campaign or any Republican organization. He said he has been a political independent who votes for candidates of both parties.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-nws-novak27.html
So, I suppose this guy's another political "hack"? Some of the "Swifties" claims may be over-the-top, but even his campaign is backing off some of Kerry's pubished claims (wasn't in Cambodia, 1st injury might have been unintentionally self-inflicted). To me it's pretty clear that Kerry "sexed" up his record in some, but not all, places. I don't think I can blame him. In his position I think most people would seek ways to use the system to their advantage to get the heck out of Vietnam.
 
Wow, looks like the Kerry Camp might have a little more 'splaining to do....
Plot thickens after checking records

August 27, 2004

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB


In the midst of the controversy between the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and Kerry campaign representatives about Kerry's service in Vietnam, new questions have arisen.

The Kerry campaign has repeatedly stated that the official naval records prove the truth of Kerry's assertions about his service.

But the official records on Kerry's Web site only add to the confusion. The DD214 form, an official Defense Department document summarizing Kerry's military career posted on johnkerry.com, includes a "Silver Star with combat V."

But according to a U.S. Navy spokesman, "Kerry's record is incorrect. The Navy has never issued a 'combat V' to anyone for a Silver Star."

Naval regulations do not allow for the use of a "combat V" for the Silver Star, the third-highest decoration the Navy awards. None of the other services has ever granted a Silver Star "combat V," either.


Fake claims not uncommon

B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself, received the highest award the Army gives to a civilian, the Distinguished Civilian Service Award, for his book Stolen Valor. Burkett pored through thousands of military service records, uncovering phony claims of awards and fake claims of military service. "I've run across several claims for Silver Stars with combat V's, but they were all in fake records," he said.

Burkett recently filed a complaint that led last month to the sentencing of Navy Capt. Roger D. Edwards to 115 days in the brig for falsification of his records.

Kerry's Web site also lists two different citations for the Silver Star. One was issued by the commander in chief of the Pacific Command (CINCPAC), Adm. John Hyland. The other, issued by Secretary of the Navy John Lehman during the Reagan administration, contained some revisions and additional language. "By his brave actions, bold initiative, and unwavering devotion to duty, Lieutenant (j.g.) Kerry reflected great credit upon himself... ."


One award, three citations

But a third citation exists that appears to be the earliest. And it is not on the Kerry campaign Web site. It was issued by Vice Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, commander of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam. This citation lacks the language in the Hyland citation or that added by the Lehman version, but includes another 170 words in a detailed description of Kerry's attack on a Viet Cong ambush, his killing of an enemy soldier carrying a loaded rocket launcher, as well as military equipment captured and a body count of dead enemy.

Maj. Anthony Milavic, a retired Marine Vietnam veteran, calls the issuance of three citations for the same medal "bizarre." Milavic hosts Milinet, an Internet forum popular with the military community that is intended "to provide a forum in military/political affairs."

Normally in the case of a lost citation, Milavec points out, the awardee simply asked for a copy to be sent to him from his service personnel records office where it remains on file. "I have never heard of multi-citations from three different people for the same medal award," he said. Nor has Burkett: "It is even stranger to have three different descriptions of the awardee's conduct in the citations for the same award."

So far, there are also two varying citations for Kerry's Bronze Star, one by Zumwalt and the other by Lehman as secretary of the Navy, both posted on johnkerry.com.

Kerry's Web site also carries a DD215 form revising his DD214, issued March 12, 2001, which adds four bronze campaign stars to his Vietnam service medal. The campaign stars are issued for participation in any of the 17 Department of Defense named campaigns that extended from 1962 to the cease-fire in 1973.

However, according to the Navy spokesman, Kerry should only have two campaign stars: one for "Counteroffensive, Phase VI," and one for "Tet69, Counteroffensive."


94 pages of records unreleased?

Reporting by the Washington Post's Michael Dobbs points out that although the Kerry campaign insists that it has released Kerry's full military records, the Post was only able to get six pages of records under its Freedom of Information Act request out of the "at least a hundred pages" a Naval Personnel Office spokesman called the "full file."

What could that more than 100 pages contain? Questions have been raised about President Bush's drill attendance in the reserves, but Bush received his honorable discharge on schedule. Kerry, who should have been discharged from the Navy about the same time -- July 1, 1972 -- wasn't given the discharge he has on his campaign Web site until July 13, 1978. What delayed the discharge for six years? This raises serious questions about Kerry's performance while in the reserves that are far more potentially damaging than those raised against Bush.

Experts point out that even the official military records get screwed up. Milavic is trying to get mistakes in his own DD214 file corrected. In his opinion, "these entries are not prima facie evidence of lying or unethical behavior on the part of Kerry or anyone else with screwed-up DD214s."

Burkett, who has spent years working with the FBI, Department of Justice and all of the military services uncovering fraudulent files in the official records, is less charitable: "The multiple citations and variations in the official record are reason for suspicion in itself, even disregarding the current swift boat veterans' controversy."

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html
So, are these more "Bush dirty tricks"? Has Cheney and Haliburton gotten to the publisher of the Chicago Sun-Times?
 
Originally posted by Pugdog007
I'm simply saying that since there are more than 200 vets with the same accounts of Kerry's service and character, you probably need dirt on more than one before anyone will take notice.

The truth is that a huge majority of those 200 you speak of only signed a form letter. Very few of them have even made a public statement of any kind. The letter is very vague and gives no "account" of any of Kerry's activities.

So, there aren't 200 giving the same account at all.
 












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