tazered teen? too much or no

[redlight]

In England the fan would be banned from the ground, possibly for life, and I would be all for that.

I support harsh penalties afterwards, but unless the police have to taser him because he would cause imminent harm, they shouldn't.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

I agree. There have been people die from being tasered.

More security should have come out, and they could have caught him without resorting to tasering.

He is still in his teens, immature, but yet he should have some sort of punishment. Community service or something. But definitely not tasering for an "offense" like that. Good grief.

was beginning to feel like i was the only one who felt that way....

 

[FireDancer]

I support harsh penalties afterwards, but unless the police have to taser him because he would cause imminent harm, they shouldn't.

They have no way of knowing his intent so they should assume the worst, that he is there to cause harm to a player, even if only with his bare hands.

A night stick across the throat would have been more enjoyable to watch, but the taser will do.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

How would they (the cops or the Phillies management) know this?? How do you know he wasn't carrying a weapon? There was no way to know how far this "fan" would go.

I think they did the right thing. Unfortunately, it did not set an example. Another idiot ran out on the field during last nights game. It totally messed up Hamels momentum. Luckily, the Phils were able to pull off a win!

well he obviously wasn't waving a knife or a gun around, if he started doing that then i could understand them doing it. but he was running around the field with nothing in his hands

 

[FireDancer]

well he obviously wasn't waving a knife or a gun around, if he started doing that then i could understand them doing it. but he was running around the field with nothing in his hands

That doesn't meant he doesn't have one in his waist band or pocket. It doesn't mean he isn't a black belt who doesn't need one to harm someone. It is better to err on the side of protecting the players then to wish after the fact you took the threat more seriously.

The second the feet of a fan hit the field, visible weapon or not, the police and security should treat the situation as though it is an attempt on the life of a player and act accordingly..

It is very easy to not get tased for running on the field...don't run on the field. Millions and millions of fans, some in single cities, manage to go to sporting events every year and not get tased. You know how, staying off of the field.

 

[siskaren]

That doesn't meant he doesn't have one in his waist band or pocket. It doesn't mean he isn't a black belt who doesn't need one to harm someone. It is better to err on the side of protecting the players then to wish after the fact you took the threat more seriously.

I agree. The idiot father/son duo who attacked the Royals first base coach at a White Sox game didn't have any weapons other than their fists, and like I said in a previous post, I believe they hit him hard enough to damage his hearing.

 

[EveDallas]

They have no way of knowing his intent so they should assume the worst, that he is there to cause harm to a player, even if only with his bare hands.

A night stick across the throat would have been more enjoyable to watch, but the taser will do.

I like the way you think

I don't get the attitude "Oh, give him a break - he's a kid." He is plenty old enough to know this was a stupid thing to do. Do stupid things - get punished. That's how it goes.

 

[FireDancer]

I agree. The idiot father/son duo who attacked the Royals first base coach at a White Sox game didn't have any weapons other than their fists, and like I said in a previous post, I believe they hit him hard enough to damage his hearing.

I completely forgot about that case. It is a perfect example that you don't need to be wielding a knife to cause harm.

Had the police tased the kid then surrounded him and started beating him once he stopped resisting it would have been a problem. That isn't what happened. They used non-lethal force to contain a person who's intent on entering the field of play was unknown to them. As long as someone is resisting, and running around to allude them is resisting, they should use the taser to force compliance. I love watching these idiots who are told to exit their car or put their hands behind their backs resist and get "corrected".

 

[Sanchez]

well he obviously wasn't waving a knife or a gun around, if he started doing that then i could understand them doing it. but he was running around the field with nothing in his hands

The safety of the players is not the sole concern. Should security have to risk injury (or worse) by taking him to the ground? I would argue that use of the taser protected all involved, including the perp.

 

[sunnyday123]

well he obviously wasn't waving a knife or a gun around, if he started doing that then i could understand them doing it. but he was running around the field with nothing in his hands

Actually, he was running around the field swinging a towel. He was being chased, and if he doesn't know that being on a major league baseball field with several security guards chasing you is wrong, then he should've been hit with the taser twice. I see nothing wrong with it, no one knew his intent, or what if anything he had concealed.

It's called a consequence, and more people should have them. I know if it was my son, being tasered would be the least of his problems.

 

[viking042900]

I'd like to reply to a few of the comments and misconceptions that I've seen in this thread from a law enforcement officer's perspective.

1) The use of a Taser is not a form of punishment. It is an approved form of controling a non-compliant subject, which is exactly what they were dealing with. We don't use any of the of the tools available to us for punishment, but rather to acheive compliance and/or stop a threat. This guy will get his punishment when he goes in front of a judge.

2) For those who have posted about the Taser being equivalent to deadly force: I'll be blunt...that is total BS. How many people have died after being tased? Of those who have, how many were in good health prior to being tased? Any control techniques that we use above verbal commands come with a extremely slim chance of fatality. For example, if I opt not to use my Taser, but instead us a hands-on takedown of a fleeing subject, he could suffer any number of injuries that could somehow be fatal. While not likely, there is always that possibilty, but hands on techniques are not considered deadly force so why should a Taser. Beleive it or not, the subject is a lot less likely to be injured when tased than if it gets into a hands on situation, or worse yet, the use of a baton. Once the voltage is off, the subject will be left with only some muscle soreness and whatever bumps and scrapes he got from his fall.

3) From a policy perspective, most departments, including mine, allow the use of a Taser to stop a fleeing subject. I would be willing to bet that the officer was operating well within his department's policy.

4) Finally, the most important thing to us when we're out there is officer safety. I want to go home at the end of my shift in the same condition in which I left that morning. The taser, in most situations is hands down the safer option for an officer, as it allows us to gain control while minimizing the risk of having to get too close to the subject. It becomes much more dangerous when we go hands on with a subject. Even if he doesn't have a knife or gun concealed, if he chooses to fight we're still likely to suffer some sort of an injury in the process.

Just some input from a cop for you guys to chew on. Do with it what you will.

 

[sunnyday123]

I'd like to reply to a few of the comments and misconceptions that I've seen in this thread from a law enforcement officer's perspective.

1) The use of a Taser is not a form of punishment. It is an approved form of controling a non-compliant subject, which is exactly what they were dealing with. We don't use any of the of the tools available to us for punishment, but rather to acheive compliance and/or stop a threat. This guy will get his punishment when he goes in front of a judge.

2) For those who have posted about the Taser being equivalent to deadly force: I'll be blunt...that is total BS. How many people have died after being tased? Of those who have, how many were in good health prior to being tased? Any control techniques that we use above verbal commands come with a extremely slim chance of fatality. For example, if I opt not to use my Taser, but instead us a hands-on takedown of a fleeing subject, he could suffer any number of injuries that could somehow be fatal. While not likely, there is always that possibilty, but hands on techniques are not considered deadly force so why should a Taser. Beleive it or not, the subject is a lot less likely to be injured when tased than if it gets into a hands on situation, or worse yet, the use of a baton. Once the voltage is off, the subject will be left with only some muscle soreness and whatever bumps and scrapes he got from his fall.

3) From a policy perspective, most departments, including mine, allow the use of a Taser to stop a fleeing subject. I would be willing to bet that the officer was operating well within his department's policy.

4) Finally, the most important thing to us when we're out there is officer safety. I want to go home at the end of my shift in the same condition in which I left that morning. The taser, in most situations is hands down the safer option for an officer, as it allows us to gain control while minimizing the risk of having to get too close to the subject. It becomes much more dangerous when we go hands on with a subject. Even if he doesn't have a knife or gun concealed, if he chooses to fight we're still likely to suffer some sort of an injury in the process.

Just some input from a cop for you guys to chew on. Do with it what you will.

I agree whole heartedly with you. Too often officers are automatically blamed for using force to take down a suspect. People fail to remember they are people too just doing a job and want to be as safe as possible. If you're too stupid to understand the word "Stop" then you deserve to have whatever force the person is trained to use, to stop you.

 

[eliza61]

I'd like to reply to a few of the comments and misconceptions that I've seen in this thread from a law enforcement officer's perspective.

1) The use of a Taser is not a form of punishment. It is an approved form of controling a non-compliant subject, which is exactly what they were dealing with. We don't use any of the of the tools available to us for punishment, but rather to acheive compliance and/or stop a threat. This guy will get his punishment when he goes in front of a judge.

2) For those who have posted about the Taser being equivalent to deadly force: I'll be blunt...that is total BS. How many people have died after being tased? Of those who have, how many were in good health prior to being tased? Any control techniques that we use above verbal commands come with a extremely slim chance of fatality. For example, if I opt not to use my Taser, but instead us a hands-on takedown of a fleeing subject, he could suffer any number of injuries that could somehow be fatal. While not likely, there is always that possibilty, but hands on techniques are not considered deadly force so why should a Taser. Beleive it or not, the subject is a lot less likely to be injured when tased than if it gets into a hands on situation, or worse yet, the use of a baton. Once the voltage is off, the subject will be left with only some muscle soreness and whatever bumps and scrapes he got from his fall.

3) From a policy perspective, most departments, including mine, allow the use of a Taser to stop a fleeing subject. I would be willing to bet that the officer was operating well within his department's policy.

4) Finally, the most important thing to us when we're out there is officer safety. I want to go home at the end of my shift in the same condition in which I left that morning. The taser, in most situations is hands down the safer option for an officer, as it allows us to gain control while minimizing the risk of having to get too close to the subject. It becomes much more dangerous when we go hands on with a subject. Even if he doesn't have a knife or gun concealed, if he chooses to fight we're still likely to suffer some sort of an injury in the process.

Just some input from a cop for you guys to chew on. Do with it what you will.

Let's not forget also that while they were running around chasing this mensa member, they were yelling at him to stop.
As my dad use to say "Those who do not listen, must feel".
Ironically, the next day some one ran onto the field again and the entire stadium starting yelling "Taz 'em", "Taz 'em"

I told my 19 year old, if he ever thought about doing some thing this ********, don't even call home, his best bet would be to hope the cops tazed him and then sit in the jail because when he saw "mama" again, severe pain would be forthcoming.

 

[luvsJack]

Fans have been running on to baseball fields for as long as there have been baseball fields. Maybe they need to figure out a way to prevent it before the need for tazing someone?


It wasn't the smartest thing someone ever did but certainly not the dumbest and besides, obviously tazing him was not a deterrent so its probably not going to be for the next guy.

Personally I think a bunch of baseball fans yelling "taz him" is sad. It doesn't say much for society and what we think of each other. I mean, its a baseball game not a matter of national security or anything.

 

[ICF]

kid got what he deserved.

If you are stupid enough to pull what he did, you need to face the punishment. He ran around to avoid getting caught and you never know if the dude is going to attack a player like happened to Monica Selles or the Royals coach in the WhiteSox game a few years ago.

 

[ICF]

Personally I think a bunch of baseball fans yelling "taz him" is sad. It doesn't say much for society and what we think of each other. I mean, its a baseball game not a matter of national security or anything.

Actually, I was watching both games (Cards fan) and I thought it was hysterical that they chanted it.

Not a matter of national security? Who knows what his intentions are......

 

[nmmom95]

Personally I think a bunch of baseball fans yelling "taz him" is sad. It doesn't say much for society and what we think of each other. I mean, its a baseball game not a matter of national security or anything.

Philadelphia fans take their sports very seriously!

4) Finally, the most important thing to us when we're out there is officer safety. I want to go home at the end of my shift in the same condition in which I left that morning. The taser, in most situations is hands down the safer option for an officer, as it allows us to gain control while minimizing the risk of having to get too close to the subject. It becomes much more dangerous when we go hands on with a subject. Even if he doesn't have a knife or gun concealed, if he chooses to fight we're still likely to suffer some sort of an injury in the process.

All joking aside, the bolded part above is the best argument for using a Tazer.

 

[waltskids]

The kid got what he deserved and I think the cops were correct in their decision.

Go Phillies!!!

 

[waltskids]

I'd like to reply to a few of the comments and misconceptions that I've seen in this thread from a law enforcement officer's perspective.

1) The use of a Taser is not a form of punishment. It is an approved form of controling a non-compliant subject, which is exactly what they were dealing with. We don't use any of the of the tools available to us for punishment, but rather to acheive compliance and/or stop a threat. This guy will get his punishment when he goes in front of a judge.

2) For those who have posted about the Taser being equivalent to deadly force: I'll be blunt...that is total BS. How many people have died after being tased? Of those who have, how many were in good health prior to being tased? Any control techniques that we use above verbal commands come with a extremely slim chance of fatality. For example, if I opt not to use my Taser, but instead us a hands-on takedown of a fleeing subject, he could suffer any number of injuries that could somehow be fatal. While not likely, there is always that possibilty, but hands on techniques are not considered deadly force so why should a Taser. Beleive it or not, the subject is a lot less likely to be injured when tased than if it gets into a hands on situation, or worse yet, the use of a baton. Once the voltage is off, the subject will be left with only some muscle soreness and whatever bumps and scrapes he got from his fall.

3) From a policy perspective, most departments, including mine, allow the use of a Taser to stop a fleeing subject. I would be willing to bet that the officer was operating well within his department's policy.

4) Finally, the most important thing to us when we're out there is officer safety. I want to go home at the end of my shift in the same condition in which I left that morning. The taser, in most situations is hands down the safer option for an officer, as it allows us to gain control while minimizing the risk of having to get too close to the subject. It becomes much more dangerous when we go hands on with a subject. Even if he doesn't have a knife or gun concealed, if he chooses to fight we're still likely to suffer some sort of an injury in the process.

Just some input from a cop for you guys to chew on. Do with it what you will.

Well said

 

[Mkrop]

Fans have been running on to baseball fields for as long as there have been baseball fields. Maybe they need to figure out a way to prevent it before the need for tazing someone?


It wasn't the smartest thing someone ever did but certainly not the dumbest and besides, obviously tazing him was not a deterrent so its probably not going to be for the next guy.

Personally I think a bunch of baseball fans yelling "taz him" is sad. It doesn't say much for society and what we think of each other. I mean, its a baseball game not a matter of national security or anything.

Oh please Philly fans just saw the humor in the situation. I dont think a cop is going to react to what the crowd is chanting.