Tally of Operations Designed or Changed Possibly Due to Abuse

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In a couple of recent discussions, folks have speculated that the reasons why there aren't any busses between the theme parks and Downtown Disney is because many "frugal" off-site guests were parking at Downtown Disney and using the busses from there to get to the theme parks, in order to avoid paying the parking fee.

This got me thinking about all the things WDW has done, either in the design of their offerings or with regard to changes to them, that could perhaps be attributed to Disney trying to guard against loopholes or abuse of leniency. I thought it might be interesting to see a full list of all of these things.

I remember a few off the top of my head.

Disney started requiring a credit card for booking the Cinderella breakfast (this was before you had to pay a deposit at the time of booking), seemingly just to address the fact that some folks were horsetrading reservations there.

The finger scan for admission to parks was added, of course, to address folks who found ways around the handstamping that was intended to guard against two guests using the same admission on the same day.

Probably the biggest change was the extent to which CMs are empowered to perform Guest Recovery. Previously, it seemed like they had very wide latitude to do whatever was necessary to make a seemingly unsatisfied guest happy. Apparently, widespread publication of this policy and how to abuse it resulted in a situation where the abuse overwhelmed the rightful implementation of the policy, and since then CM empowerment has been curtailed substantially, to reduce the incentive for a guest to misrepresent the extent of their dissatisfaction.

There are some that were far more widespread than WDW. There was a time before which WDW restaurants didn't automatically charge a gratuity for large parties. Now, of course, as is the case with many restaurants nationwide, they do, in response to how often large parties stiffed servers, and how much negative impact that had on the servers.

This one is mostly speculation I think: There was a lot of speculation about why the Skyride at MK was taken down, but one of the more distressing possibilities was the fact that there was concern about misbehaving guests deciding to use it to drop things on people's heads. (That didn't seem very plausible to me.)

I bet there are more than a couple of these situations regarding FastPasses. One I can think of was the practice of shoving anything with a mag strip into the FastPass machine (admission ticket, of course, but also room key, for example, when they weren't the same card) to get extra FastPasses.

It is reasonable to believe that at least some of the reason for the mainstreaming of handicapped guests into the regular queues was due to the practice of some who would get a wheelchair allegedly solely due to the understanding that CMs would put them at the front of the queue, or at least let them skip most of the waiting time that they would normally have endured if they were in the regular queue.

I'm sure there are many others that folks can think of....
 
bicker said:
It is reasonable to believe that at least some of the reason for the mainstreaming of handicapped guests into the regular queues was due to the practice of some who would get a wheelchair allegedly solely due to the understanding that CMs would put them at the front of the queue, or at least let them skip most of the waiting time that they would normally have endured if they were in the regular queue.

I'm sure there are many others that folks can think of....
Actually, wheelchair users were not in the regular queues because the queue or the entrance was not accessible.
The ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) required things to be more accessible, which led to Mainstream queues.
That led to another problem - some of the lines before were not wheelchair accessible because they were too narrow - a wheelchair needs at least 5 feet to turn and many of the "switchback lines" were just wide enough to get a body thru, not to turn a wheelchair. As they widened lines for wheelchair access, some people used the extra space for sneaking ahead in lines.
 
SueM in MN said:
Actually, wheelchair users were not in the regular queues because the queue or the entrance was not accessible.
The ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) required things to be more accessible, which led to Mainstream queues.
That led to another problem - some of the lines before were not wheelchair accessible because they were too narrow - a wheelchair needs at least 5 feet to turn and many of the "switchback lines" were just wide enough to get a body thru, not to turn a wheelchair. As they widened lines for wheelchair access, some people used the extra space for sneaking ahead in lines.


While true--I have witnessed those who rent wheelchairs expressly for access.

My mother hates to use the access and prefers to park her scooter. She gets embarrassed over the fuss. It took us a while before she ever agreed to rent a scooter and now there's no looking back. I think she would feel better if it were decked out like a harley :teeth: .

Though most everything else, I agree with Bicker on.

I actually cannot think of a separate and independent idea.

Except maybe the 5-day cancellation policy and first nights rate deposit.

Most of the hotel industry is not set up this way. I don't recollect if Disney was ever set up like the rest of the industry in how it conducted reservations. But I'm sure they had some abusers and hence the cancellation policy at present.
 
The entire thing with the Passholders' Best Rate program. There was speculation that Disney was very interested in cutting down on 1) the amount of times passholders called CRO looking for codes and 2) the practice of booking a number of rooms and cancelling some of them at a late date, which the nonrefundable deposit policy is meant to address.

I still don't get why we can't book within 60 days, though. That would make sense during a holiday period - they might be able to fill up more rooms at rack rate then - but in the "slower" times why is it needed?
 

Refillable mugs come to mind immediately for me. They used to be good for a lifetime. Then people started loaning them out, selling them on ebay, etc. Now they are sold as "good for the length of your current trip." Let's not debate the reality - we all know some people still take them back multiple times and some people abide by the 'current trip' rule.
 
I also thought of the wrist-bands that are used at the Yacht & Beach Club pool area - Stormalong Bay - to keep people who are NOT staying there from using the pool area.
 
The time limit for parking at the monorail resorts for non-guests comes to mind. I'm sure lots of people parked at the CR, Poly and GF just so they could take the monorail to MK or Epcot and not pay for parking. I'm not sure when they instituted the limit, but nowadays I believe it's 3 hours max if you're not a guest.
 
Found one on another thread:
Sammie said:
There was nothing wrong with APers getting discounts for last minute trips. What was wrong was people booking multiple rooms, hoping for a discount, then cancelling out these unwanted rooms at the last moment some as late as the 5 day cancellation then Disney was stuck with them.

Those people who did this posted many times on these forums where they had multiple rooms booked waiting to decide what was the best bargain.

As with many things sometimes the cure is worse than the illness. Abuse of the system results in the changes that affect everyone even those like me and you that never abused it. The same thing happend with CRT and now you have to pay in advance to dine there. For someone on a strict budget this could prevent them for even booking the restuarant, but when you had a large group of people calling to book CRT with no intention of even using the reservation but planning to give it away, then changes have to be made.
 
Limiting access to the 15th floor and second floor check-in at the California Grill, as well as the posting of a dress code to diffuse the problem of people coming from the theme parks or whereever, parking themselves in a lounge table, ordering a single appetizer and waters for six people, just to watch the fireworks.

Anne
 
Okay, here's a new one: The new deposit they're requiring for reservations at the California Grill. The stated reason for this deposit is to address the abuse of Disney's leniency with regard to double- and triple-booking ADRs at the more popular restaurants.
 
Chicago526 said:
The time limit for parking at the monorail resorts for non-guests comes to mind. I'm sure lots of people parked at the CR, Poly and GF just so they could take the monorail to MK or Epcot and not pay for parking. I'm not sure when they instituted the limit, but nowadays I believe it's 3 hours max if you're not a guest.
I believe that you still pay for parking to get to those resorts if you do not have a reservation because you still have to drive through the main gate to get to them. They probably set the limit because people who were not guests were parking at the resorts because there is less of a line for the monorail at opening and closing .
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
I believe that you still pay for parking to get to those resorts if you do not have a reservation because you still have to drive through the main gate to get to them. They probably set the limit because people who were not guests were parking at the resorts because there is less of a line for the monorail at opening and closing .

Last time I stayed at a MK resort, I just drove over to the last gate on the right, told them I was checking in to WL, and got waved through. Did the same when staying at CR and Polynesian.

It's been a year since I've stayed at a monorail resort, so the policy may have changed.
 
froglady said:
Last time I stayed at a MK resort, I just drove over to the last gate on the right, told them I was checking in to WL, and got waved through. Did the same when staying at CR and Polynesian.

It's been a year since I've stayed at a monorail resort, so the policy may have changed.
But don't they ask your name or ask to see your reservation? I could be wrong but I thought that if you couldn't show proof of having a reservation, that they charged you and then the parking charge was refunded once you arrived at your resort.
 
Disney relies on the integrity of its guests to comply with many of its policies. Therefore, enforcement of the requirement for proof at the toll booths is spotty, at best. I've always had it handy but can count on one hand the number of times I've been asked for it.
 
The fence and wristbands at SAB is another example.

The fingerscan is also a by-product of the new MYW ticket pricing. Disney gives guests almost free extra days. The days are intended to be used by the guest and not sold or given to others to use. The fingerscan was set up as an alternative to CM checking photo id or putting pictures on the AP.

Disney may be in the process of separating children and adult dining credits. I don't think Disney anticipated their generosity and flexibility would result in a strategy of "using your kids as a license to print money."
 
bicker said:
This one is mostly speculation I think: There was a lot of speculation about why the Skyride at MK was taken down, but one of the more distressing possibilities was the fact that there was concern about misbehaving guests deciding to use it to drop things on people's heads. (That didn't seem very plausible to me.)

There were a few reasons for shutting down the Skyway. These included
the danger to the CMs (it was the 2nd most accident prone ride for CMs but the one with the most serious accidents- just think about pushing and pulling those gondolas- which each way about 500lbs before they are filled with guests- for hours a day every day. There were a LOT of serious back injuries, not to mention crushed hands, legs, fingers, arms, etc.-i should know)
Also, there was the issue where the slightest breeze would force the attraction to close. The gondolas were also not very handicapped accessible. And yes, there was a LOT of spitting and throwing things from those gondolas (change, bags, cigarette butts, etc) none of which I would have liked to fall on my head...especially the spit or butts..I can deal with pain from change falling from 2 stories up but cigarette butts could burn and spit is just nasty. Anyway... these are just a couple of reasons...I am sure there were more.

About passing through the MK tollbooths... (or any checkpount for the resorts) I have never had my confirmation number with me (I am horrible at remembering it and now that they don't put it in the papers they send you I never have it. I usually end up writing it on some napkin that gets thrown out when I call). Usually when I am checking in I just give my license. I don't think that the CMs at the MK gate have access to the reservations system so they have to take your word. Hopefully people are telling the truth.
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
But don't they ask your name or ask to see your reservation? I could be wrong but I thought that if you couldn't show proof of having a reservation, that they charged you and then the parking charge was refunded once you arrived at your resort.

I know this is an older thread, but the link was posted on another recent thread.

No, they don't do this. We've been visiting the MK resorts for meals/drinks for a couple years now. We just tell them at one of the right-most gates that we're going to X resort, and they wave us through. Most of the time we don't even say that we're eating there, though we are.
 
I know one example of where they actually REMOVED an obstacle. Do any of you recall the guard shack on the road that goes past Fort Wilderness? It never really was a problem for us because they would wave through anyone who had a valid hotel parking pass. I noticed that they have removed that guard shack and that anyone can now freely traverse that section of roadway. I asked a CM about it and he told me that it was a cost cutting measure and that Disney didn't feel that the cost of staffing the guard shack was worth the limited benefit of keeping guests from routinely using that road to get to the Magic Kingdom resort area.
 
Interesting... well one key aspect of this, though, is that you cannot get to the MK parking lot from that road. I'm not sure if that was always the case, though, so perhaps that shack is a remnant of that road being a back-door to bypass the parking fee.
 
bicker said:
Okay, here's a new one: The new deposit they're requiring for reservations at the California Grill. The stated reason for this deposit is to address the abuse of Disney's leniency with regard to double- and triple-booking ADRs at the more popular restaurants.


I remember reading about how people are making ADR or PS, LOL, not sure which it is at many places in the parks so that no matter where they are, they have seating. Those extras stop alot of families from getting seating. ::yes::
 

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