Swine Flu News

Still trying to stay up to speed here, but I have to admit that this thread is getting just a little more frightening each time I read it..

School has only been in session in some areas for 3 weeks or so and the outbreaks have begun.. Definitely not a "normal" pattern - since it's not flu season in those areas..

Every night I pray that this thing will fizzle out, but those prayers aren't being answered (at least not the way "I" would like them to be answered)..

Does anyone have any "good" news to share? :sad2:
I look at it this way. We knew H1N1 was going around. We knew that this flu wasn't obeying the normal flu seasonality 'rules'. We also knew that schools would suffer outbreaks.

Therefore, the fact that schools are now suffering outbreaks is not news and is no more scary than the knowledge that it would happen. In fact, I find it more assuring because I think that it would be easier for the kids to fight off this flu now then later in the year when seasonal flu will also be in the mix.
 
some things I am trying to sort out from what I am reading:

wasn't the increased risk of G-B thought to be linked to the use of squalene (also implicated in Gulf War syndrome) as an adjuvant? It is my understanding that squalene is planned to be included in swine flu vacs in Europe, but not in US.

Do they know for sure that they will not be using squalene as an adjuvant - or is that possibility still up in the air depending on how many doses they can get out?

I think, from what I have read that they are not currently testing vacs with adjuvants in US - can anyone confirm that? Would they test without adjuvants - and go ahead and decide they need them down the road - and administer vacs with adjuvants without further testing???

The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines.

The adjuvant? Squalene.

According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine,

“A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v]

Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.


ETA:
The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene.

The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against.

Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual.

Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines.

This is exactly the wrong approach because what is causing the most harm to young people is their immune systems going into hyperdrive to attack the flu. Now, they want to supercharge that? Crazy
 

Here's a response from the CDC in regards to the report to President Obama. While I don't think the President's report was meant to be a prediction (it was more along the lines of preparing for a possible outcome), the CDC is on the front lines, and they don't see evidence to support the large numbers in the report. That's encouraging.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/26/health/26flu.html?_r=2

Agency Urges Caution on Estimates of Swine Flu
Published: August 25, 2009

ATLANTA — Up to 90,000 deaths from swine flu in the United States, mostly among children and young people?

Up to 1.8 million people hospitalized, with 50 percent to 100 percent of the intensive-care beds in some cities filled with swine flu patients?

Up to half the population infected by this winter?

On Monday, a White House advisory panel issued a report with these estimates, calling them “a plausible scenario” for a second wave of infections by the new H1N1 flu. The grim numbers by the panel, the President’s Council of Advisers on Science and Technology, got considerable play in the news media.

On Tuesday, however, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the agency with the most expertise on influenza pandemics, suggested that the projections should be regarded with caution.

“We don’t necessarily see this as a likely scenario,” said Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

A press officer for the disease centers, speaking carefully to avoid a feud with the White House press office, said, “Look, if the virus keeps behaving the way it is now, I don’t think anyone here expects anything like 90,000 deaths.”

Even one of the experts who helped prepare the report said Tuesday that the numbers were probably on the high side, given that some weeks had passed since the calculations were finished in early August.

“As more data has come out of the Southern Hemisphere, where it seems to be fading, it looks as if it’s going to be somewhat milder,” said the expert, Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at the Harvard School of Public Health. “If we were betting on the most likely number, I’d say it’s not 90,000 deaths; it’s lower.”

Dr. Harold Varmus, president of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center and one of the panel’s chairmen, defended the report.

“A lot of people think the flu is over,” Dr. Varmus said. “We think it’s important that there be a dose of reality. It’s certainly not an outlandish proposal. A lot of people are going to be infected.”

For a report with such striking figures, it was released with little fanfare and less coordination than might have been expected among public health officials.

The report was posted on the White House Web site on Monday, two weeks late, since it was dated Aug. 7. With President Obama on vacation in Martha’s Vineyard, no news conference with the White House or with the report’s authors was scheduled.

Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of health and human services, was at the disease centers’ headquarters in Atlanta, addressing a special symposium on swine flu.

A summary of the report was handed out by the centers’ press staff to medical reporters as she spoke, but Ms. Sebelius did not dwell on it or mention its forecast of 30,000 to 90,000 deaths, more than twice the 36,000 deaths usually caused by seasonal flu.

With the centers’ director, Dr. Thomas Frieden, by her side, she said fall would be a challenge when flu returned, and acknowledged a recent Washington Post poll showing that few Americans were worried. She even joked that it might bring handkerchiefs back into fashion.

Both she and Dr. Frieden acknowledged that “some people” would die, but neither gave an estimate.

Dr. Varmus said he was not happy with the way the report had been released “but that’s above my pay grade.”

A debate over alarming predictions for flu would recall September 2005, when Dr. David Nabarro, then in charge of the United Nations response to H5N1 avian flu, estimated that a human outbreak could kill 5 million to 150 million people.

Headlines focused on the larger number, and arguments over the wisdom of such estimates went on for months. But the flu never mutated to transmit easily between people and thus far only 262 deaths have been attributed to it by the World Health Organization.

Since the epidemic began, the centers have been reluctant to issue projections about probable swine flu cases, and the agency has even stopped estimating how many Americans have already had the flu. The official estimate has been stuck at “more than one million” for months.

At the Atlanta symposium, Lyn Finelli, head of surveillance for the influenza division, was asked when that would be updated. “Sometime in the next few weeks,” Dr. Finelli said. “We’re working on the model.”

Officials at the centers said they had known that the panel’s report was in the works, but had focused on the recommendations it would make.

They included these:

¶Releasing some vaccine for high-risk people in September, even before clinical trials are finished.

¶Speeding plans for intravenous flu drugs and clarifying guidelines for using drugs like Tamiflu.

¶Using social media that appeal to youth to urge them to get shots.

¶Changing federal rules and programs that discourage school closings.

Agency officials said they had already adopted some measures. For example, vaccine makers have been asked to prepare early batches of vaccine, and the disease control centers are already on Facebook and Twitter.

Even while distancing themselves from the grim forecasts presented in the White House advisers’ report, officials at the centers saw a possible benefit.

“Anything that breaks the complacency is a useful tool,” said Glen Nowak, the director of media relations at the centers.
 
Well, it's definitely in full swing in my neck of the woods. I live in middle Tennessee, and school has been in session two weeks tomorrow. A birthday party my son was planning to attend Friday night has been cancelled because two members of the family have confirmed cases of influenza A. A sibling of one of my son's teammates has a confirmed case as well. The kids got the "wash your hands" talk at school again yesterday because absenteeism is climbing.

I am even more suspicious that my daughter's illness last week was swine flu, even though she tested negative with the rapid test. My friend was telling me that her friend's kids are both sick with the same symptoms my daughter had. One tested positive for flu, one tested negative. I would think that two siblings exhibiting the same symptoms probably have the same illness, whether the test is conclusive or not.

So far, all the cases of people I know are mild. Hopefully, it will stay that way!
 
My daughter's cheer squad has 5 of 12 members out with the flu. Today, she and her friends were telling me that it seems like half of the school is out sick.
 
We've already been thru it. It was just like getting the regular flu. I had the chills/aches/low grade fever/sore throat (BAD!) and generally felt horrible for a few days. My DD8 had the same but add in high fever and less body aches and she did vomit following her first dose of Tamiflu. DS6 had the same but with diareaha for about 1/2 a day. The both had high fevers for about 24 hrs. This was all during the 2nd week of school.

I think it's positive that while it's going around bad it seems, we aren't hearing of deaths. That's good news~

As for the H1N1 vaccine, no way am I or my kids getting it. No way.

Oh and DD8 tested positive and DS6 and I were NOT tested but treated anyway. DD and DS got Tamiflu, I just took Motrin and declined the Tamiflu. I was sick several more days than them, they seemed to be MUCH better within 24 hrs of the Tamiflu. It wiped me out, but I am also post-pardam and sleep deprived so I was in a more physically vulnerable state.
 
Schools have been back in session for a week and half. Just got facebook posts from two different schhol districts that the flu has hit our area. I figured it would be another week or two before it made it to our little part of the world. :sad2:
 
There are 2 confirmed cases of H1N1 over here at the American School. It's a huge school, so no idea where the cases came from or what part of the school. (Primary? High School?) No one is over-reacting, so that's good.
 
I've had a cold/flue since Saturday and did not go to the dr. Picked dd4 up from preK yesterday and she had fever 102. Took her to the pediatrician and was told that they are not treating anyone over the age of 2 unless they have diabetes or something chronic. Also was told they are more concerned about Strep right now than swine flu.

Gave her a strep test and came back saying, "She just has a virus." So I asked what I should do if her fever gets worse and was told if it hits 103.5 or lasts 5 days to bring her back.

I feel like she should have been tested. Why wasn't tamiflu option given? I'm a little irritated.
 
That is interesting. I have heard several people lately say that the doctor tells them that it is a virus. Well, swine flu is a virus. :headache:
 
I've had a cold/flue since Saturday and did not go to the dr. Picked dd4 up from preK yesterday and she had fever 102. Took her to the pediatrician and was told that they are not treating anyone over the age of 2 unless they have diabetes or something chronic. Also was told they are more concerned about Strep right now than swine flu.

Gave her a strep test and came back saying, "She just has a virus." So I asked what I should do if her fever gets worse and was told if it hits 103.5 or lasts 5 days to bring her back.

I feel like she should have been tested. Why wasn't tamiflu option given? I'm a little irritated.

I believe they are very concerned about Tamiflu resistance. They only want to use Tamiflu for patients at risk for complications or who are very sick.
 
I've had a cold/flue since Saturday and did not go to the dr. Picked dd4 up from preK yesterday and she had fever 102. Took her to the pediatrician and was told that they are not treating anyone over the age of 2 unless they have diabetes or something chronic. Also was told they are more concerned about Strep right now than swine flu.

Gave her a strep test and came back saying, "She just has a virus." So I asked what I should do if her fever gets worse and was told if it hits 103.5 or lasts 5 days to bring her back.

I feel like she should have been tested. Why wasn't tamiflu option given? I'm a little irritated.

They are concerned about resistance, and Tamiflu can cause some side effects that may make your child feel worse than the flu. Unless your child is high-risk, I would want to skip the Tamiflu.
 
Perhaps the tamiflu should not have been prescribed yet but at the very least the test should have been done. JMHO.
 
Schools have been back in session for a week and half. Just got facebook posts from two different schhol districts that the flu has hit our area. I figured it would be another week or two before it made it to our little part of the world. :sad2:

If you don't mind me asking, where in SW Missouri do you live?
 
If you don't mind me asking, where in SW Missouri do you live?

Joplin. Howdy neightbor :wave:
The schools that I mentioned were Riverton, Kansas and Carl Junction, Missouri.
 
Joplin. Howdy neightbor :wave:
The schools that I mentioned were Riverton, Kansas and Carl Junction, Missouri.

Wow! Howdy to you to neighbor! Small world. I was raised in Joplin. I live in a tiny town about 40 miles north of Joplin now. I hadn't heard about C.J. and Riverton yet. Geez! I'll have to look at KSN's website.
 












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