stupid parents..kid left alone

[Hound 109]

Do you really need to call her stupid? She lost her baby, I'm sure that she feels badly enough, you know? What parent hasn't made mistakes? Yeah, this kind of mistake has worse results than most, but what good does it do to call people stupid or say that people need a license to breed? If you've got a tired, frazzled parent who's running around, I could see how it could happen. It's sad and tragic, and it really sucks that it happened, and it shouldn't have happened, but nothing is going to make it un-happen, and I don't really see the point in bashing someone who made a mistake and paid the ultimate price for it. She's got enough pain to live with for the rest of her life. Feel sorry for the child, and feel sad that it happened, by all means. But please think about the weight of your words before you say them. And thank your lucky stars that you've never been the one to make such a mistake. And before anyone says that they would never make a mistake like that - I'm sure that every parent who's ever done it would have said the exact same thing.

There are alot of details that will be filled in over the next day or two....but at this point the two parents have been charged with neglect and the child was released to "other family members".

I don't have a comment on the AZ mother cited above (don't know anything about it), but regarding the couple from Orlando who according to the story that i linked:

- left the child in a stoller (alone) in 90 degree heat (god knows what the Orlando humidity was).

- child was found approx. "45-60 min. later" & the parents didn't appear for "50 min. after that". ALMOST 2 HOURS!

- have frankly told odd stories in their explantion.

Other threads on the Dis board & other boards are repeating the "shouldn't be allowed to breed" comment that i find distasteful....but are also commenting in far stronger terms.

Many are hypothesizing that perhaps the kid was "napping" and they didn't want to wake her & figured they could sneak a ride or two in.

It's probable that eyewitnesses &/or cameras will flesh out what exactly happened. (if the mom & dad "rode" pirates together, how on earth could they "forget" a 3 year old on those bench seats during loading...for ex.)

In regards to someone being "stupid" if they left a child in a stroller in 90 degree heat.....imo that's the mildest comment one could make.

I mentioned way upthread that this event was likely criminal .....& evidently the Orlando police suggest that even if "a mistake was made" a crime was committed, so apparently they agree. If tapes or eyewitnesses suggest the parents knowingly left the child there.....this thing is going to "blow up" & will be a media firestorm.

Being a parent is a priviledge & a responsibilty....not a right. We as a community (or country) have a responsibility to protect ALL of our children...it will be interesting to see how this story unfolds.

Thank god a WDW patron "found" the sleeping/comotose baby & that the POC CM's acted properly & swiftly.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

I agree completly.
I still apligize if i upset any one.
I watch alot of news and only reson mintioned this is it was in disney.
I hope no one thinks less of me forme stating my opinion. I know mestakes can be made and hacve made them my self, but my child not being with me or other adult..i just cant see it happining even if we split up wed make sure who has who and where to meet up when were done.

agine i apoligize.

 

[Adi12982]

What I especially do not get is why leave the child outside, when she could have gone on with them. We have seen plenty of babies riding in their parents laps. . .

 

[eeyore3847]

I live in AZ and I remember that story! That mother was on the news and initially thought she did nothing wrong. THere is at least 2 -3 stories a year like this here in Phoenix. I have 3 kids under 6 and I think it is stupid to leave those kids alone when it is 100 degrees outside because you are too lazy to deal with them on a short errand. that mom was only in the store I think 15 minutes. It is always 10 - 15 degrees hotter in the cars here!
Another mom here over the winter left her kid in the car to shop at nordstroms!
hate to think these people arn't stupid, but living in AZ you can't even go to the mailbox without getting heat stroke!

Lori

 

[kc10family]

DD#2 in 3.5 yrs and she has gone on POTC from the age 18mths. And if she can not be on a ride do to size then DH goes alone and or we do the swap.
It's the DUH factor people. I so don't understand why or how people could even think to do something like this. It's like the computer that said "does not compute"... It does not compute in my head.

saftey be with the child and other children in that family

 

[AZMickeyfans]

If this happened as described, then the "parents" aren't "stupid, they're criminals.

Having a child isn't a "right".....it's a privlidge & a responsibility.


hound - <-----will get off soapbox now.


Edited - I responded above prior to the update.....will let others decide if these parents were criminals or just stupid.

Thank God the child is fine now & that responsible people (evidently) took care of her in time.

Hound I say stupid criminals!

Whenever dh and I seperate for ANY reason, bathroom, ride get something to eat, whatever we always say Ok so you have ds and I have dd or you have both kids right. WE make sure we have seen the kids in the others posession and that we BOTH know where they are at all times. This is strange.

 

[dizneyfreakz]

Interesting how this story turns out...
By the way...
Does disboards.com offer a spell checker feature? No offense Jadestar.

 

[Twinprincesses]

We have been to Disney in very large groups. The key is to always have a buddy. That person should know where the other is at all times.

I honestly figure that a CM would have noticed the child before a guest did. I always see cast members constantly moving strollers around especially by pirates.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

ee.. yes i rember that storie..i seriouesly dont get some ppl.

hay ill admit something
we were getting in line for haunted mansion. We turned to my sister 16years old and said get my son. she didnt we thought she did. i turned around not seeing my son and almost lost it. my mom yelled at my fionce and he ran backl and got my son..but i turned and yelled at my sister..we had asked her to..but i could never go an hour and not know where he was..i am over protective usely..i admit in wdw i was over welmed by the magic and probley wasnt as over protective as i usely was..well this trip is diffrent..all the news stories this year are making me more awear.

 

[Albort]

I also dont understand and feel disgusted when i see mother or father who have a baby, and pushes the stroller to a smoking area and smoke with the baby in the stroller. i always feel soo bad for the baby.

 

[mv1175]

This is why not everybody should be a parent. What's more shocking while at DLR last week we took a break and went to mimi for dinner. Guess what? some lady left mimi WITHOUT her 2yo son. The boy was running around yelling mommy mommy. After 15mins of this a car shows up with his mommy. Thank god.

 

[Albort]

Well, then again, people who go to Disneyland loses a lot of their brain really. I dont blame them if they accidently leave them behind.

Smoking howerver is a different story though. I saw this mom actually playing with the baby while smoking. :\ I told my Co-Worker that i wanted to throw the lady into the lagoon.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

smoking is not bad. its the moms right to smoke. just like its mine if i want to. smoking in desnated smoking area is fine. I hate how they have said ppl cant smoke in bars and stuff here its flipping redicules. My mom smoked when i was young and im fine. Friends of mine were stuffed in a car while three adults smoked in the winter with windo rolled up and drove for hours at a time.. they are fine and dont have cancer..

It is not as bad as ppl make it out to be. and befor i get slaped for all this my dad died of cancer but guess what it was his choice Ive acepted it I also thinking his drinking did it more then cigs. I barely drink

Now back to these mother and father, they were stupid im glad there kid is in foster care and hope the baby has a good life.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Originally Posted by tinkerbelt View Post
Do you really need to call her stupid? She lost her baby, I'm sure that she feels badly enough, you know? What parent hasn't made mistakes? Yeah, this kind of mistake has worse results than most, but what good does it do to call people stupid or say that people need a license to breed? If you've got a tired, frazzled parent who's running around, I could see how it could happen. It's sad and tragic, and it really sucks that it happened, and it shouldn't have happened, but nothing is going to make it un-happen, and I don't really see the point in bashing someone who made a mistake and paid the ultimate price for it. She's got enough pain to live with for the rest of her life. Feel sorry for the child, and feel sad that it happened, by all means. But please think about the weight of your words before you say them. And thank your lucky stars that you've never been the one to make such a mistake. And before anyone says that they would never make a mistake like that - I'm sure that every parent who's ever done it would have said the exact same thing.

I have a relative who shall remain nameless. These types of stories are always front and center when she calls. I'll get the usual some people shouldn't be allowed to breed line or something similar. Yet, she drank and smoked when she was prego, she tail gates Nascar style on the freeway, she weaves in and out of traffic, she left kids unbuckled on occasion and is just lucky none of these ended up in tragedy. It's easy to point fingers, criticize, and vicariously feel superior through others tragedies. It's much harder to see the same types of stupidity in one's self as a result and make a positive change. It's ok to criticize a stupid (or worse) act and learn something from it. And in my opinion, the incident in Orlando is either incredibly stupid, neglectful, and as the facts come out may be criminal. But we all fall short. And running someone down to make ourselves feel superior when the only difference between them and us is their stupid act cost them the maximum and ours ended up costing nothing seems counter productive to me. We're all guilty of it from time to time. Some make a habit of it.

I honestly figure that a CM would have noticed the child before a guest did. I always see cast members constantly moving strollers around especially by pirates.

I figure more than one person missed the child. But surprising as that may be, people often miss that which they are not looking for even though it's right in front of them.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

I have a relitive who has done things i cant even name on here, Ive also seen how she drove and I know she did some kinda neddel when she was pg.. when i was pg i frecked out becouse three days befor i found out i was pg i had a party (bozze involved ) But once i knew i was pg i didnt drink at all
I dont drive, its part my problem im just to scared and then to think oh no what if an acdent happines and my sons hert. I dont hink i will ever drive.
But when im on free way and see ppl driving the way you described i just get pissed.
When i was pg my mom was almost ran off road by simi and I could see the tiers treads. it seemed so close to the window I was so scared.
Luckly some one was watching over me and my son is a helthy kid.. but i know i have faults I just dont see any of them ever leaving my son behind for more then an hour.. (5mins) hay ive done it every one has..but an hour *shakes head*

 

[Leofoenget]

Do you really need to call her stupid? She lost her baby, I'm sure that she feels badly enough, you know? What parent hasn't made mistakes? Yeah, this kind of mistake has worse results than most, but what good does it do to call people stupid or say that people need a license to breed? If you've got a tired, frazzled parent who's running around, I could see how it could happen. It's sad and tragic, and it really sucks that it happened, and it shouldn't have happened, but nothing is going to make it un-happen, and I don't really see the point in bashing someone who made a mistake and paid the ultimate price for it. She's got enough pain to live with for the rest of her life. Feel sorry for the child, and feel sad that it happened, by all means. But please think about the weight of your words before you say them. And thank your lucky stars that you've never been the one to make such a mistake. And before anyone says that they would never make a mistake like that - I'm sure that every parent who's ever done it would have said the exact same thing.

Ok I'm sorry, but it IS stupid to "forget your child" The entire time I am at DL with my family, it;s always "where's Jeff??" "You have Jason RIGHT??" "ok he's in the bathroom, what';s taking so long, JEFF YOU IN THERE, HURRY UP" Forgetting a baby in a stroller, come on. It is stupid, careless, irresponsible anyother word you can think of. I might not be the smartest fish in the tank, but I 'aint that stupid!! When you have kids it's just ingrained


OH and BTW, I DID have to have a license to "breed" so to speak, my kids are adopted.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

If you mean Maddy McCann who was taken from an apartment in Portugal while her parents were eating in a restaurant she has not been found. There were reports in a Dutch newspaper about a letter saying where her body was but it wasn't true - she is still missing and her parents and their twins are still out there looking.

Mel
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news just in they have detained an italian man in conection to her disapearince

 

[Hound 109]

Some folks believe that we shouldn't be ripping into these parents, because possibly they just made a mistake or they have learned their lesson.


I disagree, because currently:

- Conventional Wisdom suggests that an abused / neglected child is best placed with (first) a family member (second) rehabilate the stupid or criminal parents (third) foster care.

- Orlando police/CPS (?) gave the child to "a family member".

It will definitely be interesting to get the rest of the facts on THIS event.


Regarding making comments when something like this occurs, consider the following:

There are tens of thousands of children who are born in US every year to parents who are criminally, socially, or economically unable to take care of them. Every year there are tens of thousands of wonderful parents who utilize invitro (or whatever those medical proceedures are called) or adopt internationally.

Adopting those tens of thousands of children (by the tens of thousands of wonderful parents) is NOT an option & is NEVER discussed intelliegently by politicians, religious leaders or the media.

If you ask me if a newborn is "better off" with a birth mother (or sperm donor) who is a criminal, a social misfit, an economic misfit etc... or a loving parental couple (who is/are employed, gone through a background check & social interview & will pay $$ for the priviledge of having a child)....... You would choose the parental couple. I would choose the parental couple. Politicians & Religious leaders would SAY they would choose a parental couple.

Yet nothing gets done. The status quo remains.


If an abused/neglected CHILD had a vote who would he/she choose?


Is there anything more important than our children? But nothing gets done.


I don't "feel superior" (or better) by running down this stupid/criminal couple. But...I would "feel better" if all of their children were placed in adoption immediately...(not foster care, but adoption) with loving Parents.

(Heck...I bet 99% of the folks reading the Disboards would be considered criminally, socially & economically acceptible). & btw... "socially acceptible" means you've been interviewed by a case worker and you're not a nutjob. (has nothing to do with gender/race/orientation/favorite football team etc.)


I would "feel better" if we had laws & political & religious leaders who looked out for "what's best" for the innocent CHILD & passed laws to protect them.

But nothing gets done.


When stupid / criminal people do things to children, I will always attempt to hop on a soap box & annoy as many people that I can (& encourage others to do the same)....not because it makes me "feel superior" (or better),.... but because....maybe someday.... we'll get something done.



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[JenDisneylandlver]

smoking is not bad. its the moms right to smoke. just like its mine if i want to. smoking in desnated smoking area is fine. I hate how they have said ppl cant smoke in bars and stuff here its flipping redicules. My mom smoked when i was young and im fine. Friends of mine were stuffed in a car while three adults smoked in the winter with windo rolled up and drove for hours at a time.. they are fine and dont have cancer..

It is not as bad as ppl make it out to be. and befor i get slaped for all this my dad died of cancer but guess what it was his choice Ive acepted it I also thinking his drinking did it more then cigs. I barely drink

Now back to these mother and father, they were stupid im glad there kid is in foster care and hope the baby has a good life.

Oh wow, guess I'll just say I completely disagree with you. So does every reputable medical association on the planet. I won't go in to all my personal stories, but I will say I do have health problems thanks to growing up with smoking family members. Proven fact that second hand smoke causes health problems (if not early on, decades later in life). I support ALL the laws against smoking. Sorry, something I feel strongly about, since I was personally effected by someone else's habit. - Getting off soapbox now.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

I love what you said, excpet i hope yopu arent saying poor ppl shouldnt have kid im poor but my son gets what he needs and alot of what he dosent.

Any ways I agree with what you say but also dont ask religiouse ppl to get involved some times they could care less. (im open religion and if i asked for help, wearing my pent..I have been told by christions that im going to hell) lets just say no one knows how i worship and becouse of what i chose o wear or show. I should not be told im going to hell.

Now off of that. I do wish ppl would just be smarter when it comes to kids and i do think some ppl shouldnt ever have kids but i dont think we will ever get restrictions on it.
All we can all do is watch our kids and keep an eye on others when there parents aren't

My fionce just yesterday was at frys food and drug store..well there was a kid who looked about rts age (4 or 5) the kid was crying and standing on the side walk looking around. My fionce watched and started walking towards the kid but he saw a littel old lady come up and comfert the child and ask where mommy and stuff. My fionce continued to watch and the kid shurged he seemed so scared. after a few mins he heard a women scream coming out of the store screaming at the kid and his name and grabed the kid and left..my fionce just shock his head and went on but he woulda helped if the old lady wouldnt have come up.