Stop the presses - "that other site" was wrong again

[perlster]

It's way past the "grain of salt" phase - any "reports" on that other site should be read (if at all) for entertainment purposes only.

No, Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage is not closing permanently.

 

[HydroGuy]

OK, I'll bite.

I assume you are referring to this post from Nov 26:

http://micechat.com/49401-my-magic-plus-failure/

Given that it is now over two weeks since the post was made, it is possible even Disney has changed their mind. But assuming not, then this is what MA said:

The lagoon itself is also an expensive facility to maintain, and is due for a full draining and refurbishment if it’s to continue as an operating attraction, especially one with a Pixar connection. Add in the fact that the submarine operation requires a huge amount of Cast Member labor to keep running, for a relatively small hourly capacity of just 800 riders per hour, and the Submarine Voyage has the distinction of being Anaheim’s most expensive attraction to operate by far. That makes it an easy target for panicky TDA executives looking to cut costs, and the Star Wars announcement was supposed to give them the cover they needed to quietly close the 54 year old submarine attraction for a second time.

Unlike in 1998 however when Paul Pressler weaseled his way into the first closure with no replacement plan, this closure would be permanent as the caverns show building was to be demolished to build the Ewok’s forested home planet. But now that the Star Wars plan is on hold thanks to the horrible condition of WDW’s NextGen project, TDA is going to go ahead with the closure falsely labeled a “refurbishment” with the hopes that Burbank will reopen the purse strings later in 2014 and the Star Wars announcement can finally be made to save face. Fans of the submarines would be wise to get in their last rides before January 4th.

So unless I am mistaken it all comes down to whether FNSV is a real long term closure or a false one. MA said it would close for a long time. And it is according to the Disney blog. The Disney blog said it would reopen in later in 2014. MA said it would depend on Star Wars.

Unless you know for sure that FNSV will reopen this year - even if Star Wars land is approved - then I do not accept your conclusion that MA was wrong. The only way they would turn out to be wrong would is if SW is approved and FNSV remains open indefinitely.

 

[Disney Dreams]

...So unless I am mistaken it all comes down to whether FNSV is a real long term closure or a false one. MA said it would close for a long time....

Unless you know for sure that FNSV will reopen this year - even if Star Wars land is approved - then I do not accept your conclusion that MA was wrong. The only way they would turn out to be wrong would is if SW is approved and FNSV remains open indefinitely....

Confused.

The article you quoted says, "... this closure would be permanent."

So, he's wrong if it ever reopens. The article does say long-term, it says permanent.

- Dreams

 

[HydroGuy]

Confused.

The article you quoted says, "... this closure would be permanent."

So, he's wrong if it ever reopens. The article does say long-term, it says permanent.

- Dreams

What I am saying is

- it is still possible the closure in January is permanent. We won't know if it is permanent or not until it re-opens - which obviously means it was not permanent.

- MA was linking its rumor of Sub closure permanence to Star Wars land getting approval in 2014. If Star Wars land does not get approved then their rumor of a permanent Sub closure is no longer valid. Since it was linked to Star Wars.


FWIW, I really, truly have no vested interest in MA being right or wrong. In fact I hope they are wrong and that the Subs stay open. Not because I like the ride (it is OK IMO) but because it feels right to me to have them there since I rode them as a kid - and because I remember what it was like to have them closed for so long with no replacement.

However, a new Star Wars land that is really, truly good (and the rumored new E-ticket ride) would be better than keeping the subs IMO. So I hope those rumors are true and that Disney delivers on this.

 

[perlster]

this fake refurbishment that is really just a permanent closure.
now that the Star Wars plan is on hold thanks to the horrible condition of WDWs NextGen project,TDA is going to go ahead with the closure falsely labeled a refurbishment

Facts are stubborn things.

What else can be said?

 

[HydroGuy]

this fake refurbishment that is really just a permanent closure.
now that the Star Wars plan is on hold thanks to the horrible condition of WDWs NextGen project,TDA is going to go ahead with the closure falsely labeled a refurbishment

Facts are stubborn things.

What else can be said?

Not sure which facts you are referring to. I asked some questions to which you have yet to respond.

Just checking, but you know for a fact that FNSV will re-open after this refurb? How?

 

[disneyismyheart247]

Disney's words mean nothing. Remember when the Rocket Rods went down for "refurbishment"? They never came back. I'm pretty sure Disney has done the same thing with attractions in Florida. It's way too early to write off MiceChat.

Waiting and seeing...

 

[nunzia]

ANYWAY...I'm still making sure to ride it before Januray 6th....

 

[HydroGuy]

this fake refurbishment that is really just a permanent closure.
now that the Star Wars plan is on hold thanks to the horrible condition of WDWs NextGen project,TDA is going to go ahead with the closure falsely labeled a refurbishment

Facts are stubborn things.

What else can be said?

Not sure which facts you are referring to. I asked some questions to which you have yet to respond.

Just checking, but you know for a fact that FNSV will re-open after this refurb? How?

OK Perlster, I remember you have done in the past what you are doing here. Here is how it works...

You make claims like this against MA. You make it seem obvious and clear that they were wrong about something when it was not obvious and clear at all. Then you disappear. Then a few months later you start all over again on another topic without addressing the previous topic.

I am going to bookmark this thread. If you do this again I will post a link to this thread.

If MA turns out to be wrong on something then they were wrong. I do not care one way or the other. But give a good example of them being wrong. This thread is not a good example.

Further, they point out that they are relating rumors inside Disney and that Disney does change their mind. So if they write about something that turns out to be "wrong", it does not automatically mean they had bad info. It could mean Disney made a change.

Ultimately this makes it hard to say when they were truly wrong or just related something that later changed. On the topic discussed in this thread neither is the case yet as we won't know until FNSV re-opens and/or Star Wars land gets approval.

 

[rentayenta]

ANYWAY...I'm still making sure to ride it before Januray 6th....

Me too! It's generally not a must-do for us but it is on our next little trip.

 

[disneychrista]

Disney's words mean nothing. Remember when the Rocket Rods went down for "refurbishment"? .

Also the first time the subs went down they were suppose to reopen with an Atlantis Theme.

 

[sheetz]

That Disney blog announcement sounds pretty fishy to me. A nearly year long refurb with no major enhancements/changes to the ride? In a way this announcement actually makes the Miceage rumors seem more credible to me. Until a Star Wars land is officially announced Disney can't say that the subs are closing permanently, so instead we get this "refurb" with an indefinite completion date.

 

[FlameGirl]

These threads are so silly. If you despise MA, don't read there. It's just that simple.

 

[perlster]

Righhhhhhhht ... posting the garbage is A-OK, but warning others not to be taken in it by is bad

 

[FlameGirl]

Lol. It's a Disneyland fan site. It's not like they're going door to door recruiting Scientologists or something.

 

[Mr Snappy]

Wow....how about everyone just calm down a little?

The fact is that if you know anything about that other site and the guy who is the main writer, you will know that he has a checkered past on his info. I will be the first to admit that he does provide useful insight at times...and he is sometimes right with his rumors. HOWEVER, he is also been wrong several times and is VERY anti-management.

The bigger the rumor, the less I believe him. Small things like the candle-light schedules or painting refurbs I think are pretty safe bets.


My own thoughts are that his last post about Star Wars, Nemo, and the Monster's Inc ride are guesses at best. I have absolutely no confidence that his information came from a credible source.

Also, remember this. When you create a rumor like the creation of a planned Monster's Inc Door-Ride....then 6 months later you claim that it has been cancelled, you basically are giving yourself credit for cancelling your own guess!

 

[AndyR]

I visited this past weekend, and just in case they don't reopen took this pic:

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Just a reminder to everyone to be courteous on the DIS. I'm closing the thread down & moving it to the Community Board.