Still pooling DP Credits?

[keishashadow]

We used the DP when it 1st was introduced 2/05 & were told that DP credits were indicated by Adult/Child, not grouped into a total number of credits. Also told that all people @ table must use the DP credits (i.e. 1 or 2 people couldn't use the DP & 1 pay OOP).

Just checking to see if:

* the above is still valid &

* the DP credits are still being pooled on each guests' room key.

DS has indicated that @ a few sites he really does not want to order Child's meal (Coral Reef, Tony's, Sci-Fi).

In the past we used his credit as an "appetizer" (usually the chicken fingers) and paid OOP for an extra adult entree.

Can we just use 2 Adult TS credits & pay OOP for his meal, using the child's TS credit for another meal? Example: his TS credit & OOP entrees for DH & me once we run out of DP credits?

 

[puddleduck]

I have a hard time imagining any restaurant not allowing you to use a credit to get the kids meal and buying an adult meal oop. I mean, bigger tip for the server and Disney is making more money. Many times the phone CMs don't really have the correct information. We had no problem paying oop in Dec, of course things may have changed with the new year.

 

[formernyer]

yes, the credits are pooled.

yes, you can purchase an adult meal for your son OOP and then use his credits later to purchase adult meals for you and your DH at another restaurant.

 

[keishashadow]

Actually, we just wanted to use the child credit portion later for a charactar meal we'd pay OOP. My DH is a "boy scout" and always takes the high road, keeps me in check.

yes, the credits are pooled.

yes, you can purchase an adult meal for your son OOP and then use his credits later to purchase adult meals for you and your DH at another restaurant.

 

[pedro2112]

Actually, we just wanted to use the child credit portion later for a charactar meal we'd pay OOP. My DH is a "boy scout" and always takes the high road, keeps me in check.

There is no such thing as a child credit. It doesn't exist. Use the credits the way you want, which is the way Disney allows you to do it.

Enjoy!

 

[Letsbgoofy]

There is no such thing as a child credit. It doesn't exist. Use the credits the way you want, which is the way Disney allows you to do it.

Actually, there are "child's credits" if they were all ordering at the same time.

Everyone has their own moral opinion on this. Why are you always shoving your opinion down everyones throat? I see your posts on every thread about this issue.

To the OP - I personally agree with you decision.

 

[bicker]

Subject to change, of course.

 

[keishashadow]

Thanks to all who posted

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Do think the plan as it was explained to us (before they even had a brochure LOL) was a good value.

We were originally told by CM that there was specific Adult/Child credits & usage.

Appears as though this is not enforced anymore though (?)

I just hate to "waste" a Child credit (that we'd use as an extra appetizer) when he'll be ordering an Adult entree. Way too much food in my opinion.

Conversely, I've traded meals with him but, some of the selections are really limited - how many chicken tenders can you eat in a week?

My DH is a "no fuss-no muss" kind of guy, hates to create a scene. While on the plan actually had servers question why DS & I traded plates @ dinner @ WDW. Whatever happened to unobtrusive service?

 

[bstnsprts]

Everyone has their own moral opinion on this. Why are you always shoving your opinion down everyones throat? I see your posts on every thread about this issue.

Disney allows it. Disney can stop it when they choose. Disney restaurant CM's encourage it. Pay OOP for kids when you want and save the credits.
Use the plans intended flexibility to the fullest. Keep up the good work Pedro!!

 

[Lewisc]

NO there are TS, CS and snack credits. A TS credit used by a child must be used to order from the kids menu, if the restaurant has one, but there is no such thing as a child credit.

This is Disney's plan. Disney gets to set the rules. A guest who follows those rules is being moral and ethical. Using your logic children, who meet the height requirement, shouldn't be allowed to go on the adult attractions.

THIS IS NOT AN OPINION, the written policy is cyrstal clear as is the answer you'll get from a CM.

The plan is more generous than I would have set it up but a person isn't being immoral just because they don't use the plan the way you would have set it up.

Disney is keeps track of your credits, your receipt tells you how many TS credits are left in your account. Do you really think Disney is expecting the guest to keep track of how many of the credits were used to purchase child vs adult meals?

Actually, there are "child's credits" if they were all ordering at the same time.

Everyone has their own moral opinion on this. Why are you always shoving your opinion down everyones throat? I see your posts on every thread about this issue.

To the OP - I personally agree with you decision.

 

[Paging Tom Morrow]

As explained to me by a General Manager of a Disney restaurant:

There are no adult or child credits, however, if a credit is going to be used on a child, he/she must order off the child's menu. Families are fee to use their credits however they may wish including paying for select meals OOP if that's how they prefer.

Feel free to judge any moral implications of this statement at your own risk. I'll defer to Disney management over what Disboard members have establisged as their rules.

 

[Tiggeroo]

I would pay out of pocket for a kids meal and then use the credit for an adult meal later. A TS meal is worth alot more then a child's meal.

 

[Letsbgoofy]

there is no such thing as a child credit.

If your card says 2A and 1C, doesn't the child have to order off the children's menu? That's the point I was making about having "children's credits". If all 3 people order at the same time, they will not be able to use all 3 credits for adult meals.

The plan is more generous than I would have set it up but a person isn't being immoral just because they don't use the plan the way you would have set it up

Again, read my statement carefully. Everyone needs to make their own moral choice. I am just tired of this same posters comments on every thread about this issue. We understand how Disney keeps track of the credits. Some people choose not to use credits bought at a child's price for adult meals. If his opinion is that you should do that - great! It's just getting a little old reading about his opinion on every thread.

I have no young children. If Disney started charging a higher price for the children's DP, it would not matter to me. That is the only reason why I would be concerned about adults using credits payed for at a child's price.

 

[Lewisc]

Yes, children must order off the children's menu, if one is available.

Disney has made a decision not to separate child and adult credits. The description of the plan in the brochure indicates that. The receipt you get any time you use the meal plan will confirm that. It lists remaining credits left on your account with no reference to adult or child.

I also don't have any young children but I get tired of posters who imply guests who use the plan as designed by Disney are somehow immoral or unethical. They are following Disney's rules. I'm not sure if guests who use 100% of their credits for adult meals are smart consumers or are greedy but they're certainly not doing anything unethical or immoral.

People who "abuse" the mug program are violating posted rules. We can argue if it's ethical to rely on the lack of enforcement and even finding a CM who is willing to "give permission" is ethical or moral but that's not the case. Those guests are clearly following the rules.

Sorry but a guest who follows Disney's rules but not your rules is ethical and moral.

If your card says 2A and 1C, doesn't the child have to order off the children's menu? That's the point I was making about having "children's credits". If all 3 people order at the same time, they will not be able to use all 3 credits for adult meals.



Again, read my statement carefully. Everyone needs to make their own moral choice. I am just tired of this same posters comments on every thread about this issue. We understand how Disney keeps track of the credits. Some people choose not to use credits bought at a child's price for adult meals. If his opinion is that you should do that - great! It's just getting a little old reading about his opinion on every thread.

I have no young children. If Disney started charging a higher price for the children's DP, it would not matter to me. That is the only reason why I would be concerned about adults using credits payed for at a child's price.

 

[Letsbgoofy]

Sorry but a guest who follows Disney's rules but not your rules is ethical and moral

Please, tell me what my rules are??? I don't think I called anyone immoral or unethical. By saying that everyone needs to use their own morals doesn't mean that one persons morals are "right" and the others "wrong". You do what you are comfortable with.

The OP planned to use the credits from her childs DP for her and her husband as they would have to buy the child adult meals. I told her I thought she made the right decision. Did that somehow sound like I was making a judgement on her values?

I am also not judging Pedro. I am sick of the constant reminders that there are no adult or child's credits. I guess I shouldn't read this kind of thread anymore if it's getting so annoying to me!

 

[Pedler]

Actually, there are "child's credits" if they were all ordering at the same time.

Everyone has their own moral opinion on this. Why are you always shoving your opinion down everyones throat? I see your posts on every thread about this issue.

To the OP - I personally agree with you decision.

Your response seems a bit harsh. Letsbgoofy isn't stating an opinion he is stating a fact that there are no child credits and that people can use them anywhay they want. I did see your other post clarifying what you referred to as child credits.

The reason why you see some of the same people posting on this issue is that despite the countless threads about credits there still, as amazing as it may seem, is some confusion about how credits are tracked and used. In that case it is usefull to remind people that there are no child / adult credits, that they can be used by anyone in the group, that paying OOP for kids and saving credits for adult meals is a perfectly legimate use of credits and lastly that this is not a loophole, glitch in the system unethical, immoral or any other negative connotation. This is a perfectly legitmate way of using the plan to maximize a families savings and is not only allowed but encouraged.

I know it seems repetative to keep saying the same thing on these type of threads but as long as some folk keep posting "child credits" type of postings it is up to other posters to set the record straight and accurately communicate what the plan really is and not what people wish it was.

 

[bicker]

The reason why you see some of the same people posting on this issue is that despite the countless threads about credits there still, as amazing as it may seem, is some confusion about how credits are tracked and used.

And that will continue until Disney changes the program so it is more internally consistent.

I know it seems repetative to keep saying the same thing on these type of threads but as long as some folk keep posting "child credits" type of postings it is up to other posters to set the record straight and accurately communicate what the plan really is and not what people wish it was.

I believe you and I hold oppositional positions with regard to this issue, and I believe we've reached a point where we respect each other's opinions to state our own, without disparaging that of the other. I don't know why some people would have a problem with either perspective being contributed to any thread where this issue comes up, as long as it is expressed in a manner other than as a personal attack.

 

[Pedler]

And that will continue until Disney changes the program so it is more internally consistent.

I believe you and I hold oppositional positions with regard to this issue, and I believe we've reached a point where we respect each other's opinions to state our own, without disparaging that of the other. I don't know why some people would have a problem with either perspective being contributed to any thread where this issue comes up, as long as it is expressed in a manner other than as a personal attack.

I think that we have reached a dinning plan detente. Seriously as long as the conversation is respectul and factual I don't have an issue with it. It was the term "shoving down peoples throat" and "child credits" that I had the issue with. Saying that there are no child credits is not shoving opinions down peoples throats it is stating an absolute unquestionable fact about the dinning plan. That is the part of the dinning plan that I still don't get why people don't understand or choose not to understand.

As for the consistent implementation I agree that there are some things on the dinning plan that are not consistent but for the most part the credit pooling and using anyway people want seems to be a consistent part of the plan. The main thing I have seen that have not been consitent is getting extras like smoothies and milkshakes as drinks and how "desert" is handled for a CS breakfast.

 

[Lewisc]

The plan is clearly set up to be generous and flexible. I wouldn't have made the plan as generous as Disney did and I suspect you wouldn't have either.

Posters such as letsbgoofy, but not yourself, talk about ethics and moral decisions. There is nothing immoral or unethical when a guest follows Disney's clear rules. A guest has no moral or ethical obligation to follow the imaginary rules that would have been real rules if we had designed the plan. Considering the food quality that's served by restaurants like CM and LTT it's possible the child price is enough to pay for the actual cost for the food consumed by most adults. Disney may not really care. Let's assume a larger family splits for some days. Do we think Disney intends the family to have to keep track of adult vs child credits?

There are still many threads regarding pool hoppers, soda theft, and families going over the room occupancy limit. There are more than enough posters who are ethically and morally challenged for those posters, not directed to anyone in this thread, who want to attack others.

I though Disney would close this "loophole" but I'm beginning to think it's not the big deal some of us thought it was. I bet we'd be shocked if we ever found out how many guests leave without using all their credits.

And that will continue until Disney changes the program so it is more internally consistent.

I believe you and I hold oppositional positions with regard to this issue, and I believe we've reached a point where we respect each other's opinions to state our own, without disparaging that of the other. I don't know why some people would have a problem with either perspective being contributed to any thread where this issue comes up, as long as it is expressed in a manner other than as a personal attack.

 

[Pedler]

I though Disney would close this "loophole" but I'm beginning to think it's not the big deal some of us thought it was. I bet we'd be shocked if we ever found out how many guests leave without using all their credits.

I think the bigger shock would be the extra profit that goes to the bottom line when Disney is able to use the dinning plan to sell a room at the WL for $200 a night that otherwise would have gone empty and generated no revenue just by providing a dinning plan that is flexible or in terms of the new promo giving it away.

The hotel business is a high fixed cost operation with minimal incremental cost per reservation. Every extra room sold after a certain point goes right to the bottom line. Given that they have once again introduced free dinning to sell rooms at a rack rate during the off season shows that the actual cost of the plan compared to the other benefits they get from it is minimal. I don't think it is a coincidence that Universal has started selected mailings to Florida residents with one days free admission. The DP, MYW Tickets and ME appear to be having a signifigant effect on other area attractions.