staying in room with DVC member, how many ways to split DDP payment ?

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

And from one Girl Scout Leader to another...."what Council doesn't know won't hurt them." As long as you aren't putting the girls at risk and your parents trust one another - sometimes you need to ignore Council's rules - or you wouldn't be able to get much done at all with your girls. This particular rule seems to be in place to make sure that the parents aren't embezzling from each other - if no one in your troop is likely to do so - or bring allegations of such behavior....council need never know how money was handled.

How nice. Somewhere in the Girl Scout Law and Promise you read something I missed. I missed the part where we teach girls to "pick and choose" the rules we follow

And for the troops I use to handle they probably would have noticed the receipt didn't quite agree to the expense.

 

[TagsMissy]

I'm sorry you aren't getting the answers you want to hear but you asked if it was possible and you have been given you an honest answer plus offered some suggestions to help resolve the issue. It's not what you want to hear but it is what it is.

DVC is limiting the amount of giftcards and cc's used on transactions as of late. I'd say yes they can split onto two but 4 is honestly pushing it too far. The suggestion of purchasing a GC in the $value and giving it to the DVC member is really a very good option.

There is no need to be snarky to those trying to help you and I know it can be frustrating not hearing that you hoped to hear but it's not our fault.

thank you all for the un-solicated recommendations or your opinion of how you would handle such trip.

all I simply asked was could the payment be split 4 ways.

Believe me this has nothing to do with my way of doing it.

Our council has strict guidelines with purchases over X amount and those rules apply to our situation. In addition to those regulations, there are also additional regulations reguarding parents making purchases for the troop and writting checks to parents for things that are considered "personal" expenses.

As I stated previously, the only information I was asking is could the payment be split 4 ways.

 

[Shanna-like-Banana]

well, we'll have to agree to dis-agree about the snarky comments.

Personally, the snarky comments occured when

* people stated how put out they would be if it was occurring to them (which its not) so I'm not really sure how that pertains to my question about payment

* information was requested as to how we would share the dining credits (as though that has any bearing on what forms of payment could be used)


I'm not really sure where/how its being read that I'm requesting 4 separate dining plans be exclusive of each other ? ? That's not what I'm asking at all.

To avoid further confusion : all adrs have already been made, they are communal meals, since that is what the girls decided they wanted. We are all going to be dining at the same place/same time, so there is no worry about anybody double dipping into the pot.

Our area is under an intense micro-scope currently due to an adult mis-using funds. So we have very specific rules we must abide by.

As far as the suggestion for paying the DVC parent back in Disney gift cards, well wouldn't that be up to the DVC parent to decide if they would even want to accept that as form of payment ? ? ? ?

 

[dbs1228]

From what I read (interpreted) in this thread was having g/c bought to pay for dining plan instead of cash changing hands. Not sure that will work either since you would have several g/c and then the debit card and they usually only take 2 forms of payment (or 2 gift cards) to pay for such things over the phone/ one line. Best advice I can give is just CALL MS ask for a supervisor then you will have your answer without unsolicited advise or speculation. Good luck

 

[chateau]

I had never heard the word snarky before this dis boards....love that word!

 

[Msmithmd]

Shanna, as already stated, only the DVC member themself can add DP to their reservation. And only the member may pay for it. When members rent points to someone else and aren't even attending a trip, the member still has to personally add the dining plan, and get paid back for it by the renter.

Some members add the plan for renters by the renter paying via a Disney gift card that the member then calls in to DVC as payment. Some take a personal check to the member to repay.

But DVC isn't going to allow people other than the member to pay for the plan. Sorry that answer isn't what you want. It is what it is.

Your option is to get a different room reservation arrangement if everyone must pay their own food bill direct to Disney. Or better yet, skip the dining plan entirely and no money has to change hands over food between the travel party members at all.

 

[crisi]

How nice. Somewhere in the Girl Scout Law and Promise you read something I missed. I missed the part where we teach girls to "pick and choose" the rules we follow

And for the troops I use to handle they probably would have noticed the receipt didn't quite agree to the expense.

Well. For me, it's for th girls, not for Council. And many of our council rules would have forced us to shut down our troop years ago, for a while, we only had one leader. Me. So, yes...we pick and choose our rules to make Scouts work for our girls.

 

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

Well. For me, it's for th girls, not for Council. And many of our council rules would have forced us to shut down our troop years ago, for a while, we only had one leader. Me. So, yes...we pick and choose our rules to make Scouts work for our girls.

Sigh.

And you continue to brag about the great example you are setting


And just am FYI. The reason you need 2 leaders is partially to protect you from allegations of misconduct.

 

[TagsMissy]

From what I read (interpreted) in this thread was having g/c bought to pay for dining plan instead of cash changing hands. Not sure that will work either since you would have several g/c and then the debit card and they usually only take 2 forms of payment (or 2 gift cards) to pay for such things over the phone/ one line. Best advice I can give is just CALL MS ask for a supervisor then you will have your answer without unsolicited advise or speculation. Good luck

I think people were suggesting the owner charge it to their CC and the others in the villa pay the owner with GCs. At least that was my interpretation but I could be wrong LOL

 

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

I have actually done this. Trust mr. Get it down to 2 cards. Then you and the Owner get on the phone. Explain why you need to do it this way. It can be done

 

[bumbershoot]

The other issue is that the functioning of the DP likely raises the very risks the scout rules are trying to prevent since the cards are not segregated and one person could use the credits of another either intentionally or unintentionally.

I agree.

The plan is to eat ALL meals/snacks together, but what if that doesn't happen? What if someone doesn't think, and uses an extra snack credit? etc? It does feel like the dining plan could cause the problem you're trying to avoid.

I'm not really sure where/how its being read that I'm requesting 4 separate dining plans be exclusive of each other ? ? That's not what I'm asking at all.
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As far as the suggestion for paying the DVC parent back in Disney gift cards, well wouldn't that be up to the DVC parent to decide if they would even want to accept that as form of payment ? ? ? ?

I think things are getting confused.

"all the credits are combined, making it impossible to do what is trying to be accomplished, which is to have 4 segregated dining plans on one reservation. "

That doesn't mean they think you want 4 separate plans, but that you have to make sure each person is only paying for themselves and not another. And that's what your'e doing. But because the credits are pooled, once you're there, anyone could accidentally use a credit meant for another. People are just trying to help you see how the plan works to make sure you know.

"You could buy a Disney gift card and give to them for the amount of your plan, but the member still has to personally add it. "

That means people buy the GCs in the amount of the plan they are buying, then they hand them to the DVC owner, who then uses them to pay for the plans (and their CC to pay for theirs). I don't think anyone means the GCs would pay the person back. But that they would be used to pay for the plan.

But DVC isn't going to allow people other than the member to pay for the plan. Sorry that answer isn't what you want. It is what it is.

But there have been people who have conferenced in others and the DCV reps allowed them to give their CC info. I believe it has been mentioned here in this thread of happening, and I've read of it other times. So it's at least partially possible.

 

[crisi]

Sigh.

And you continue to brag about the great example you are setting


And just am FYI. The reason you need 2 leaders is partially to protect you from allegations of misconduct.

Yep. I have four remaining Cadettes out of an intial troop of three (a few have left, a few more have joined) who have had a wonderful six years together. Several have completed their awards cycles and are on the leadership program. I like the Scouting program, our Council can pound sand.

 

[Shanna-like-Banana]

our Council can pound sand.

The is the first thing I've read in a long time that has actually made me laugh out loud

omg, I am right there with ya, we have a few certain council employees that make everything miserably rotten.......but, even though it seems un-fair now, we're still stickin to the rules.

thanks for the laugh

 

[Shanna-like-Banana]

I'm not so good on the multi-quote tool,

as far as the credit being pooled, co-mingled, shared, etc.

That is the least of our worries.

All of the discussion about that are "problems" that other posters explored and are clogging up what I'm stating.

If this way a college trip, if this was an adults only trip, if this was a mom-club trip, if this was a book club trip, if this was a zoo-keepers trip, then yes, could see that being an issue but, it's none of the above.

It's a group of young teens and their leaders. The girls have decided on their plans for their trip. They have already ironed out all the details amongst themselves for 95% of the plans. The girls have a few methods of how they are going to make sure the dining credits stay straight.

I literally was very much only asking about forms of payment, not how to ensure dining credits don't get double dipped.

 

[rpk1951]

I thought for the dining plan they accepted a max of two forms of payment. If that is true, four forms don't work anyway. On dues you can use multiple gift cards, but dining, I thought, was limited to two (like one visa and one gift card).

 

[supersnoop]

I'm not so good on the multi-quote tool, as far as the credit being pooled, co-mingled, shared, etc. That is the least of our worries. All of the discussion about that are "problems" that other posters explored and are clogging up what I'm stating. If this way a college trip, if this was an adults only trip, if this was a mom-club trip, if this was a book club trip, if this was a zoo-keepers trip, then yes, could see that being an issue but, it's none of the above. It's a group of young teens and their leaders. The girls have decided on their plans for their trip. They have already ironed out all the details amongst themselves for 95% of the plans. The girls have a few methods of how they are going to make sure the dining credits stay straight. I literally was very much only asking about forms of payment, not how to ensure dining credits don't get double dipped.

have you found your answer yet, or are you still asking?

 

[Dean]

I'm not so good on the multi-quote tool,

as far as the credit being pooled, co-mingled, shared, etc.

That is the least of our worries.

I've worked with the boy scouts many years in the past (son has aged out) including being a cub-master and attending several training sessions aimed at such issues. I also work daily with an oppressive compliance scenario within an HMO as well as needing to protect myself at every turn. I understand there are rules and reasons for rules. I'm also a rule follower by nature. I do understand that sometimes the rules may get in the way of common sense and the real goal at times but there are almost always reasonable outs.

I would submit that in this situation the functioning of the DP itself violates the spirit of the scout rules if not the rules themselves. All it takes is for someone to use an extra credit and for someone to complain to the scout council. I realize there's no way to totally avoid that risk but it seems the risk may be unnecessary in this situation. As a minimum I'd suggest not having charging on the keys for anyone or only the member and seeing if you can have the minors where the credits are not active on their keys if possible.

 

[sndral]

I hope OP reports back to let us know if MS says yes or no to 4 different cards to pay for the dinning plan.
Wonder how they are going to handle the 18% automatic gratuity on table service meals w/ parties greater than 6.
Once the details are ironed out I'm sure that the girls will have a fantastic time.

 

[OrangeCountyCommuter]

I've worked with the boy scouts many years in the past (son has aged out) including being a cub-master and attending several training sessions aimed at such issues. I also work daily with an oppressive compliance scenario within an HMO as well as needing to protect myself at every turn. I understand there are rules and reasons for rules. I'm also a rule follower by nature. I do understand that sometimes the rules may get in the way of common sense and the real goal at times but there are almost always reasonable outs. I would submit that in this situation the functioning of the DP itself violates the spirit of the scout rules if not the rules themselves. All it takes is for someone to use an extra credit and for someone to complain to the scout council. I realize there's no way to totally avoid that risk but it seems the risk may be unnecessary in this situation. As a minimum I'd suggest not having charging on the keys for anyone or only the member and seeing if you can have the minors where the credits are not active on their keys if possible.

It is pretty apparent you don't actually know the rules


So the rules say the troop money is for the troop and cannot be "assigned" to an individual girl. So if girl 1 used 2 credits and girl 2 none it is still the troop.

Now the leader would have the opportunity to teach both girls about fairness and sharing.

 

[Dean]

It is pretty apparent you don't actually know the rules


So the rules say the troop money is for the troop and cannot be "assigned" to an individual girl. So if girl 1 used 2 credits and girl 2 none it is still the troop.

Now the leader would have the opportunity to teach both girls about fairness and sharing.

There are more rules than just that but what I was mostly addressing was risk and avoiding the appearance of a problem. All it would take would be one unhappy person to complain and this has risk written all over it. Not than one can avoid all risk but this one is avoidable. I'd be concerned that the teachable moment would be to the adult. Plus my impression from the OP was this was individual money, not troup money.