Sports: Deflate-Gate

[JanaDee]

That's the thing, IF they were inspected before game time. Even then, who can say they were inflated to the 12.5-13.5 psi and then deflated? IF they were inspected pregame, and they were already under inflated, then what? Any different from the Rogers statement and claim?




I agree that many players will say they prefer a softer ball. Some will say a harder ball. They all their own preferences and non of which proves to have any advantage over another.

All balls are inspected before game time. I just read a timeline of what happens before a game regarding the balls, I'll see if I can find it again.

 

[TAX GUY]

No way this is cheating? There is a rule against it and they intentionally broke it but it's not cheating? Whether or not it had an effect on the outcome of the game is insignificant; a rule was broken in either case. A previous poster already pointed this out to you, but you chose to ridicule his or her comparison.

Then lets discuss Aaron Rogers over inflating. And ALL other teams QB's altering the balls to their preference. Also the gloves (and any other gear a player will wear). Is that also cheating?

 

[TAX GUY]

All balls are inspected before game time. I just read a timeline of what happens before a game regarding the balls, I'll see if I can find it again.

I know what is supposed to be done, but is it ACTUALLY done, and if so, to what extent?

 

[JanaDee]

JanaDee...I get that, but so many more people handled the balls and he was the only player who mentioned or noticed it. Really....I hate cheaters! I guess I am just having a hard time thinking ALL of these so called PROFESSIONALS let this go until AFTER the game.

It wasn't let go until after the game. Several balls were removed by refs during the game because they were underinflated.

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/01/20/new-england-patriots-deflated-footballs-nfl-investigation

 

[topolino]

Then lets discuss Aaron Rogers over inflating. And ALL other teams QB's altering the balls to their preference. Also the gloves (and any other gear a player will wear). Is that also cheating?

Did Rogers inflate over the maximum pressure allowed? Are the gloves in question against the rules? The answer to these questions will determine whether or not it's a question of cheating.

Patriots' fans will continue to make excuses and others will go after every little infraction with gusto. That's just how it is with this team: love or hate. I don't believe there is much middle ground.

 

[undertheradar]

That's the thing, IF they were inspected before game time. Even then, who can say they were inflated to the 12.5-13.5 psi and then deflated? IF they were inspected pregame, and they were already under inflated, then what? Any different from the Rogers statement and claim?




I agree that many players will say they prefer a softer ball. Some will say a harder ball. They all their own preferences and non of which proves to have any advantage over another.

Have to assume that you never played the game at an organized level. In wet playing conditions, a less inflated ball is easier for the ball carriers to control. The ball can be lightly squeezed, giving an advantage to the ball carrier. Kickers prefer max limit inflation, as the ball carries further and is tougher for returners to catch.

As for the game outcome, NE looked better prepared and had a much deeper set of reserves compared to Indy. Too bad NE brings the hatred on by "bending" the rules to see how far until the rule is broken. Just another tainted win in the NFL playoffs.

 

[JanaDee]

Then lets discuss Aaron Rogers over inflating. And ALL other teams QB's altering the balls to their preference. Also the gloves (and any other gear a player will wear). Is that also cheating?

This story is about the Pats cheating. Stop trying to take the focus off where it belongs.

 

[TAX GUY]

Did Rogers inflate over the maximum pressure allowed? Are the gloves in question against the rules? The answer to these questions will determine whether or not it's a question of cheating.

Patriots' fans will continue to make excuses and others will go after every little infraction with gusto. That's just how it is with this team: love or hate. I don't believe there is much middle ground.

Yes he did, and openly admitted it.

 

[Dan Murfman]

That's the thing, IF they were inspected before game time. Even then, who can say they were inflated to the 12.5-13.5 psi and then deflated? IF they were inspected pregame, and they were already under inflated, then what? Any different from the Rogers statement and claim?

To me this the whole ball game. If they submitted them under inflated and the refs missed them then this is an NFL problem. But if they were inspected and then later doctored then it's flat out cheating and they get what's coming to them.

It's really hard to believe that they were inspected with a pressure gauge and found to be acceptable and then 11 balls are found to be 2 lbs psi under. tough to explain

 

[TAX GUY]

This story is about the Pats cheating. Stop trying to take the focus off where it belongs.

My point is if its considered cheating then call ALL of the teams and players into question.

 

[undertheradar]

My point is if its considered cheating then call ALL of the teams and players into question.

Why? The balls in question were provided by the Patriots, no other team is responsible for the game balls in question. Why do you keep trying to deflect responsibility for this issue from the only organization that is responsible, the New England Patriots?

 

[Geoff_M]

Why? The balls in question were provided by the Patriots, no other team is responsible for the game balls in question. Why do you keep trying to deflect responsibility for this issue from the only organization that is responsible, the New England Patriots?

Come on... everyone that's had a five year-old knows the reason and should be able to recognize the "But HE did it too!!!!" deflection tactic.

However, it's an imperfect defense because no one's said that Rodgers or the Packers have pumped the balls back up over the limit after being inspected by the refs per the rules.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Cheating is Cheating, Seems to be a normal Standard Operating Procedures for the Patriots.

Yup

Edit: and just because it probably didn't change the outcome doesn't change the fact it was cheating. When Richard Petty was caught running a 383" engine (the rule is 358" max) NASCAR didn't cut him any slack just because he lost the race

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Originally Posted by TAX GUY
I don't see how this proves they gained any additional advantage. It's thought to allow a better grip and catching ability, but doesn't prove it to be the case. How is it different to wide receivers wearing those gloves? A quarter back wearing gloves? A running back wearing those arm sleeves? Different cleats for turf/grass?

Gloves are legal. Improper ball inflation is not. And if there were no advantage to it, why do it?

As a Pats fan (obviously), I'm disappointed about the findings however, there is no way this is cheating nor does it prove there is any

Breaking the rules is cheating by definition.

For many fans out there, even if the Pats played naked with the other teams equipment, they'll still say they somehow gained an unfair advantage.

If they played naked, I'd say they belonged in the loony bin.

My point is if its considered cheating then call ALL of the teams and players into question

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And we know the purpose of your point is to project and deflect.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Come on... everyone that's had a five year-old knows the reason and should be able to recognize the "But HE did it too!!!!" deflection tactic.

However, it's an imperfect defense because no one's said that Rodgers or the Packers have pumped the balls back up over the limit after being inspected by the refs per the rules.

But Mommy.... Sammy ate the pie before dinner too.

I think I learned at age 3 that didn't work.

 

[davedmaine]

Then lets discuss Aaron Rogers over inflating. And ALL other teams QB's altering the balls to their preference. Also the gloves (and any other gear a player will wear). Is that also cheating?

Dude, it's a little different than wearing gloves.. Bad enough dealing with the disney apologists, now we have to deal with the Patriot's ones

 

[Geoff_M]

Yup

Edit: and just because it probably didn't change the outcome doesn't change the fact it was cheating. When Richard Petty was caught running a 383" engine (the rule is 358" max) NASCAR didn't cut him any slack just because he lost the race

The Pats also seems to believe in the auto-racing definition of "cheating" in that "It's only cheating if you get caught!"

Yup, clearly they didn't need to do so in order to win on Sunday, but once again, the Pats just seem to like to give people reasons to hate the team.... As much as it pains me to say it... "Go Seahawks!!!"

 

[TAX GUY]

I give up...


Edit: Hate all you want or love all you want. My opinion of the team and your opinion of the team will still remain the same. That's a general you and a general team...

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Yes he did, and openly admitted it.

Rodgers said he likes to push the "maximum allowed". And then lets the ref take air out if they are too filled.

So the Packers give the refs the balls after they over inflate them and let the refs fix them if the refs feel they are over the 13.5 psi max. And, since Rodgers complains that the refs do, indeed, remove air, obviously the balls are getting inspected.

Instead of, you know, taking air out after they are inspected to go under the minimum.

 

[TAX GUY]

Rodgers said he likes to pushes the "maximum allowed". And then lets the ref take air out if they are too filled.

So the Packers give the refs the balls after they over inflate them and let the refs fix them if the refs feel they are over the 13.5 psi max. And, since Rodgers complains that the refs do, indeed remove air, obviously they balls are getting inspected.

Instead of, you know, taking air out after they are inspected to go under the minimum.

Can you link the source that proved they deflated after inspection (so I can read it)? Not saying it was or wasn't, just the articles I've seen didn't show that.