Spoiled Magic

NotUrsula said:
OK, as a New Orleans native I've wanted to say this here for years, and you gave me an opening. I *know* I'll get flamed, but c'est la vie...

No, it isn't. In fact, it is not reasonable to expect a flawless view of a parade at WDW for any reason. It is a parade, not a show. Unless you are on a VIP reviewing stand (which WDW doesn't have), the whole point of a good parade is the experience of standing in a crowd and sharing the contagious excitement. Getting the most out of any parade experience requires dealing with the fact that you will not see every detail of every unit, and with the fact that you will be jostled by those around you, sometimes quite a bit. People *will* jockey for position at the barriers (or the front edge of the crowd, at WDW), and you have to be prepared to *actively* defend your spot by physically blocking those who want it. (Not hitting or shoving, just standing your ground in immovable fashion, and doing it on your feet.)

As a veteran of literally thousands of big parades, both as a spectator and as a participant, I know a thing or two about the best ways to enjoy them, so herewith are my commandments for happy paradegoing:

1. Unless you are physically unable to stand for the time it takes the parade to pass, thou shalt not attempt to watch a parade while sitting down.
2. Thou shalt not attempt to have a small child watch a parade from inside a stroller. Any small children watching the parade should watch from an elevated position at the BACK of the crowd. Hold them on your shoulders, since parade ladders are not available at WDW. (Which is a shame, I have to admit.) Do NOT stand in front and put a child on your shoulders!
3. The corollary to #2: thou shalt fold up thy stroller when the music can be heard, and thou shalt not unfold it until after the last unit has passed thy position.
4. Thou shalt forget about getting a photograph of a float by any other means than by holding the camera at arms length above one's head. It's entirely a matter of skill; if you don't have it, practice.
5. Thou shalt go to the bathroom BEFORE thou pickest a viewing spot. Once the route itself is cleared, anyone who leaves forfeits his/her spot.

(Of course, I left out the most important parade commandment of all, but it doesn't apply at WDW parades, mores the pity: Thou shalt not place thy hand upon the ground! ;) )

That said, there are two things that WDW really should do to improve the parade-viewing experience. 1) Provide adequate reserved viewing areas for the disabled, and 2) Build the floats so that all of the animated parts are a minimum of 6 feet off the ground. If the bottom of the float is plain, people won't try so hard to jockey to see it.

I'm speechless! That was a wonderful post. I like those commandments! Thanks!
 
I was waiting for a friend to use the bathroom at California Adventure. We all know how badly themed it is. There was a wooden fence near the bathroom so I looked between the slats and I saw Chip and Dale without their heads on. It was two middle-age Mexican men with hairnets.
 
This didn't really ruin the magic for us but I wish Disney would address it. We were in MK one night last year and didn't realize that the parade was going to start soon (we were on the other side of the park) and we tried to leave and got stuck in the parade watching crowd. Now I know we should have planned a little better but this is a huge safety issue with me. We COULD NOT get out. If we had an emergency we could never get help. There should be a better setup for the spectators. If you needed help you could forget about it. I was 7 months pregnant at the time and we had 2 small kids in a double stroller and I was feeling very ill and we just wanted to leave but we were trapped. I had such anxiety (I hate being confined) on top of being ill. Our kids also wanted to go. I just think they need to maybe rope off a path to get through for those who want to or have to get out. JMHO. princess:
 
HI , JUNE 2004 . My son first trip to DISNEY A man did the same thing , my ds son moved over to see .and he keep going back right in front of him and he was only six year old, then he Finally moved . What is not nice when people do this , when a family get there early ,like we did , and other;s come right before it start and go right in frount of you , . how sad this is!!!!!!!!!!! .

I have a pray on this one not at get to upset . ;) :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc :Pinkbounc PS. pray for them :goodvibes


TAKE CAERE


AND GOD BLESS
MARY AND DS
 

This just happened to us last week while we were in the Magic Kingdom. Picture this... beautiful day, park was busy but manageable, DH and I were walking towards the teacups from Tomorrowland just outside of Cosmic Ray's. We were happy and thoroughly enjoying ourselves. I mentioned something to DH about having to find a MAC (debit)... he misunderstood and thought I had said that I needed to find a MAP. DH asked me if I was feeling alright and if he should take my temperature (since we both know the MK like the back of our hands)... and both of us burst into laughter when I explained to him what I had really said.

Well.... while both of us are giggling like little kids a woman who looked to be a little rough around the edges (and VERY tall) walks by and yells directly at me... "What the F*** are you laughing at, B****!!!!!" I'm sure you can all fill in the blanks. At first I was completely dumbfounded and had no idea what had happened- but DH grabbed me by the arm and started in trot away from the area towards the closest CM. DH told the CM what had happened- and really, nothing was done- I'm not sure that there was anything to do anyway. I was really shaken and basically the rest of my day was spent looking around to make sure we didn't see or get near her again. Not sure why she was having such a bad day or why she was looking to start a fight in the happiest place on earth :confused3 . DH being the jokester that he is now tells everyone about how his wife was almost pounded by "the amazon woman" in a Disney park :rolleyes:
 
ElleBelle said:
This just happened to us last week while we were in the Magic Kingdom. Picture this... beautiful day, park was busy but manageable, DH and I were walking towards the teacups from Tomorrowland just outside of Cosmic Ray's. We were happy and thoroughly enjoying ourselves. I mentioned something to DH about having to find a MAC (debit)... he misunderstood and thought I had said that I needed to find a MAP. DH asked me if I was feeling alright and if he should take my temperature (since we both know the MK like the back of our hands)... and both of us burst into laughter when I explained to him what I had really said.

Well.... while both of us are giggling like little kids a woman who looked to be a little rough around the edges (and VERY tall) walks by and yells directly at me... "What the F*** are you laughing at, B****!!!!!" I'm sure you can all fill in the blanks. At first I was completely dumbfounded and had no idea what had happened- but DH grabbed me by the arm and started in trot away from the area towards the closest CM. DH told the CM what had happened- and really, nothing was done- I'm not sure that there was anything to do anyway. I was really shaken and basically the rest of my day was spent looking around to make sure we didn't see or get near her again. Not sure why she was having such a bad day or why she was looking to start a fight in the happiest place on earth :confused3 . DH being the jokester that he is now tells everyone about how his wife was almost pounded by "the amazon woman" in a Disney park :rolleyes:

ewww- thats just gross!

maybe she is self conscious because people laugh at her all the time (for being an amazon woman- or how about being a piece of white trash!)--- not saying its nice to laugh at white trash amazons ( :rotfl: )-but WHY else in the world (no pun intended! :rotfl2: ) would she think someone was directing their laughter at HER?...

unless it happens to her quite offen? :confused3
 
Mouse House Mama said:
This didn't really ruin the magic for us but I wish Disney would address it. We were in MK one night last year and didn't realize that the parade was going to start soon (we were on the other side of the park) and we tried to leave and got stuck in the parade watching crowd. Now I know we should have planned a little better but this is a huge safety issue with me. We COULD NOT get out. If we had an emergency we could never get help. There should be a better setup for the spectators. If you needed help you could forget about it. I was 7 months pregnant at the time and we had 2 small kids in a double stroller and I was feeling very ill and we just wanted to leave but we were trapped. I had such anxiety (I hate being confined) on top of being ill. Our kids also wanted to go. I just think they need to maybe rope off a path to get through for those who want to or have to get out. JMHO. princess:

I have 2 things to say about this. 1) The sidewalks are "supposed" to remain cleared for emergency purposes (that doesn't mean that they always do, but are supposed to) and 2) if you're walking towards the exit and it's during Spectro- Make Sure You Are On The Left Hand Side!!! If you are trying to exit and are on the right, you will not be able to exit because the right hand side doesn't make it to the exits (you could be able to exit, but they only open the crosswalks at certain intervals during the parade).
 
SamRoc said:
This just wouldnt sink in with her, she kept trying to push in front of us, then the Brooklyn in me came out, I didnt touch her but said a few choice words, then all of a sudden she magically could understand English!

"I love it!! The "Brooklyn" comes out in me as well. DH calls me this when I get riled up "Easy, Brooklyn!" Glad to see I'm not the only one!"
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Oh boy, I'm really hoping I won't be in a situation where the Brooklyn in me has to come out! Disney is definitely not the place for that! :lmao: I'm always on my best behavior, but do not mess with me and especially not my baby girl! If she would have pushed my child, well... I'll leave it at that. :rolleyes:

BTW, we ARE nice in NYC! :goodvibes
 
ahh parades...I forgot why we didn't do them....
we went to ESPN the weekend and actually lined up for the afternoon parade....me, a double stoller, my sister and my 6'4" Charming. Now as soon as the parade starts I hear this woman behind us talking loudly so we could hear her, "oh I am sure he'll let you if you ask" , "it is your first parade" etc...obviously wanting her 10-12 year old daughter to get in front of us. Now had she not been so obvious I would have normally asked any kids around us if they wanted to sit in front of the stroller but not now. I hate this....

DON'T USE YOUR KIDS!! I mean she did not wait but came up at the last minute. DH had a hurt knee and it was wrapped up. The mom finally asked if her daughter could sit up front and what a big mistake....she kept hitting Charming's knee.

Point being....if you have kids and you want them to be in the front to see then you need to wait your turn like everyone else. Don't expect the tall or shapely figures to move because you came up at the last minute.

ETA: the whole point of us putting Charming in front and by the stroller was to minimize people jostling his knee. Normally he stands behind us. But that still shouldn't matter.
 
carone0318 said:
I would get up and stand in front of her or do jumping jacks, something that would block her videoing abilities.

...I will stand up for myself and definitely my children. If I had waited an hour or more, darn straight, I'd say something.

... I am by no means looking for a fight, but I won't get pushed around either - especially by faux foreigners who understand everything you are saying, but chose to be rude!

::yes:: ::yes::
:thumbsup2 :thumbsup2

Couldn't have said it any better!
 
Unfortunately we're always going to run into people that can't find it in themselves to be cooperative and have a good time. I always try to let "nice" little kids to go in front of me as I'm tall and really don't want to block a childs view of a parade. People have generally let my daughter move up so that she can watch the parade instead of somebody's backside. (I taught her to hold her nose and look back at us and say "his/her butt stinks really bad!" - just kidding)

However, I can't tolerate rudeness or pushy people. When someone attempts to take advantage, I have no problem getting in their face (I'm from Jersey, and my wife is from the Bronx). I decided a long time ago that I'm not going to have my fun ruined because of someone elses stupidity or obnoxiousness. Maybe if more people do that and stop tolerating bad behavior, the offenders will learn to back off. I'm not looking to get in any fights or arguments, but I'm not a door mat either.

Stand up for yourselves and don't let the offenders push you around or your child. Disney is supposed to be fun, but it doesn't mean that you have to let someone ruin your fun. We all pay big money to enjoy the parks, but it doesn't mean that you have any entitlements.
 
Joanna71985 said:
I have 2 things to say about this. 1) The sidewalks are "supposed" to remain cleared for emergency purposes (that doesn't mean that they always do, but are supposed to) and 2) if you're walking towards the exit and it's during Spectro- Make Sure You Are On The Left Hand Side!!! If you are trying to exit and are on the right, you will not be able to exit because the right hand side doesn't make it to the exits (you could be able to exit, but they only open the crosswalks at certain intervals during the parade).



Thanks for the info. We tried to "escape" but to no avail. The sidewalks were jam packed. I completely understand that you can't cross the street but we were stuck on the side of the castle. If you are looking at the castle we were on the right side. What was even worse was that people were literally climbing over my kids in their stroller so they could push other families out of the way to get a better view. Someone even got annoyed at us for not moving!!! Uh Hello! We would love to move completely out of here if it were possible! :crowded: Not only were we stuck but we had to worry about someone hurting our kids. It was a horror! :crazy2:
 
One of the times I was at Disney as a kid, we were sitting waiting for the nighttime parade at MK. We had gotten there early and had a spot right up front, and of course as soon as the parade is getting to us a man comes and stands right in front of my sister and I. He looked really tall to me, but then again I was only 8. So my mother, bless her in all of her 5'3" glory, says very loudly and sternly, "Excuse me! My daughters are there!" The man didn't go away but he did inch over a little, I inched over a little and my sister stood in front of my mom so we could all see. I have no idea where my father was during this. Probably on the other side of my mom silently cursing the fact that he was crowded in there with all those people in the heat waiting for a stupid parade. :laughing:

It didn't ruin anything for me, but I always remember the incident. How people have the audacity to be so rude at WDW is beyond me. I wonder if these people are that rude in their every day lives?
 
I can tell you where your father was. He was probably in line getting ice cream and ran into the same situation that I did that last year before the fireworks. I waited in line for 30 minutes and what killed me was the couple in front of me (no kids) finally getting up to the register to give their order and that's when they decided to look at the board to see what they wanted. I think it was them saying "let me see, now what do I want?" that almost pushed me over the edge. Are you kidding me? After staring at the menu for 30 minutes while waiting in line and you still don't know what you want?
 
#1 reason for responding...dear timandesley; we know your "cinderella in
your picture!" we met at the castle when no one else was around. she
was just wonderful with our princess: !"

#2 / highlander..was you in the series?.i think your observations were
100% correct! the only thing i like to add..if more people get involve
when they see ?guests being rude to others- would not only stop the
rude behaviors but prevent them from acting out. [ on our last trip,
a guest [big as a bear] got involve when there was a problem on the bus.
his "input" ended the problem right then & prevented an acting out
situation.

#3./ speaking of...i sure wish i was "big" as a bear. however, i have 2 sons
that are!..it just that they're always taking off. dwats!

#4./ the wildness lodge incident was very upsetting. ther should been
emergency interventions including that child being place in protective
custody..if this guy was slapping a child there, just think what he was
probably doing at home. before o.j. ,it was harder than h. to get police
involve with domestic violence. when our house was being built, we were
staying at an apartment where a man was beating his korean wife. it
was horrible to hear him using his fists on her. i had to called several times
and the last time i told them i was going to called the newspaper. they
finally showed up...but did not take action. however, i told the husband
i was not going tolerated another incident. he got the message.
 
Lil' Grumpy said:
#1 reason for responding...dear timandesley; we know your "cinderella in
your picture!" we met at the castle when no one else was around. she
was just wonderful with our princess: !"
.

Lil' grumpy thanks for responding. We loved that Cinderella. We had reservations for the castle for dinner and had been told over and over again that Cindy wouldn't be there. We walked into the lobby and there she was. We had her all to ourselves it was great. The Mary Poppins in the pic is in need of new makeup though, my son thought she was a bit "freaky" as you can probably tell by his expression in the pic. :rotfl:
 
Li'l Grumpy, wasn't me but it could be this year. We always stay at WL and usually rent a car. This year we're doing Disney transportation so hopefully everyone will be well behaved on the bus.
 
Sometimes you can get down Main Street faster if you get off the sidewalks and cut through the stores!

DD got squished by two larger sized people on Splash Mountain - they jumped in when they were not supposed to, and she was pushed up against the side of the log so tight that her ribs were hurting her later on. I told the CMs controlling the logs at the loading area of the ride to stop, etc, but they ignored us! After the ride, I managed to report them to a supervisor, but I'm not impressed by the CM training at all! :sad2: I still can't figure out how they "thought they were supposed to get in" - my daughter was sitting in the front and center, they pushed her over to get in! They both weighed 220-240 lbs (judging by my hubby, who used to weigh that much) and they thought 3 would fit on a log seat? Now, my DD is 5'7" and about 120 lbs, not a little thing at all, that would be 580-600 lbs in one row??????
 











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