Spin off... if your child gifted?

You do realize the determinatino of "gifted" depends completly on IQ or aptitude testing, right?It has nothing ot do with how early they graduate or go to college, and nothing to do with the emotional maturity necessary to do somethinhg like be a doctor or do scientific research. A kid can have an IQ of 190 and still not graduate college at 10 or be Doogie Howser. Not all profoundly gifted children do that. You are looking forthe kinds of stories that get media attention. Most porfoundly gifted children aren't looking for that kind of attention. They don't ewant ot be singled out as "freaks". I teach one of these kids who is also on the autism spectrum. He is beyond gifted. Solves complicated claculus problems in his head as a freshman, but cannot function in IB English becuase his written expression is not sufficient. He probably could have moved on to college math and science at 13, but his parents chose no to subject him to that kind of scrutiny. He takes dual enrollmenyt courses at our high school instead. Not every gifted child wants to be in the position of being in college at a young age.

That kid sounds like I envision DS to be in a handful of years. He's crazy good at anything math and science. Despite having a large vocabulary, he struggles with expressing himself. He relies heavily on scripts from tv/movies and using a lecturing type approach. As he gets older and older, he is getting very self conscious about his differentness.
 
That kid sounds like I envision DS to be in a handful of years. He's crazy good at anything math and science. Despite having a large vocabulary, he struggles with expressing himself. He relies heavily on scripts from tv/movies and using a lecturing type approach. As he gets older and older, he is getting very self conscious about his differentness.
That would definitely describe this child. He is a great kid, and the other kids are for the most part great about understanding that this is just how he communicates and he doesn't meant to come off as lecturing or correcting. They are pretty accepting of his diferentness for the most part. He is no my academic competitino teams and does faily well with the social interaction aspect there.
 
You do realize the determinatino of "gifted" depends completly on IQ or aptitude testing, right?It


Yes, I do.

I simply asked if anyone has a child that graduated college at age 10 or younger. I'd love to hear about that. I've always loved hearing about, reading about and seeing these children and their parents on tv. That's all. I have no desire to get into the IQ numbers and debates.
I'm just interested in the prodigy children.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. My mistake.
 

This is the boy I was talking about. Kearney, not Keane as I thought.

He was homeschooled and has ADHD. Very amazing! And his dream was to be a game-show host!




He was homeschooled by his parents, especially his mother, a Japanese-American.[1] He was diagnosed with ADHD and his parents declined to use the offered prescription of Ritalin. His younger sister, Maeghan, is also a child prodigy.[2]

When Michael was four, he was given multiple-choice diagnostic tests for the Johns Hopkins precocious math program. Without having studied for the exam, Michael achieved a perfect score.

He attended San Marin High School in Novato, California, for one year, graduating at the age of six in 1990.[3] He enrolled at Santa Rosa Junior College in Sonoma County, California, graduating at age 8 with an Associate of Science in Geology.[3] He is listed in the Guinness Book as the world's youngest university graduate at the age of ten, receiving a bachelor's degree in anthropology from the University of South Alabama.[1][3]

He graduated from Middle Tennessee State University with a master's degree in biochemistry at the age of 14. His 118-page thesis is entitled "Kinetic Isotope Effects of Thymidine Phosphorylase". His research focused on the kinetics of an glycosyltransferase involved in nucleotide synthesis. For a while, he was the world's youngest postgraduate and the holder of several Guinness world records, but the master's degree record was broken by Tathagat Avatar Tulsi.

He taught at Vanderbilt University also in Tennessee at 16. He received a second Master's degree in Computer Science from Vanderbilt when he was 17.
 
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This is the boy I was talking about. Kearney, not Keane as I thought.

He was homeschooled and has ADHD. Very amazing! And his dream was to be a game-show host!


He was homeschooled by his parents, especially his mother, a Japanese-American.[1] He was diagnosed with ADHD and his parents declined to use the offered prescription of Ritalin. His younger sister, Maeghan, is also a child prodigy.[2]

When Michael was four, he was given multiple-choice diagnostic tests for the Johns Hopkins precocious math program. Without having studied for the exam, Michael achieved a perfect score.

He was homeschooled by his parents, especially his mother, a Japanese-American.[1] He was diagnosed with ADHD and his parents declined to use the offered prescription of Ritalin. His younger sister, Maeghan, is also a child prodigy.[2]

When Michael was four, he was given multiple-choice diagnostic tests for the Johns Hopkins precocious math program. Without having studied for the exam, Michael achieved a perfect score.

He attended San Marin High School in Novato, California, for one year, graduating at the age of six in 1990.[3] He enrolled at Santa Rosa Junior College in Sonoma County, California, graduating at age 8 with an Associate of Science in Geology.[3] He is listed in the Guinness Book as the world's youngest university graduate at the age of ten, receiving a bachelor's degree in anthropology from the University of South Alabama.[1][3]

He graduated from Middle Tennessee State University with a master's degree in biochemistry at the age of 14. His 118-page thesis is entitled "Kinetic Isotope Effects of Thymidine Phosphorylase". His research focused on the kinetics of an glycosyltransferase involved in nucleotide synthesis. For a while, he was the world's youngest postgraduate and the holder of several Guinness world records, but the master's degree record was broken by Tathagat Avatar Tulsi.

He taught at Vanderbilt University also in Tennessee at 16. He received a second Master's degree in Computer Science from Vanderbilt when he was 17.

Stuff like that really does amaze me.

I think it would have been interesting to have had him as a university classmate.
 
High IQ:

Mildly Gifted -- 115 to 129
Moderately Gifted -- 130 to 144
Highly Gifted -- 145 to 159
Exceptionally Gifted -- 160 to 179
Profoundly Gifted -- 180

This is my opinion and only my opinion, based on the two different states I have lived in and the multiple different counties I have lived in. The schools in the counties I am familiar with have lowered their standards for the gifted program. To be fair, they don't really have a choice. There is such a wide range of kids in the school systems that they have to do something. You have your kids that are slow and have lower IQ's. You have your kids with high IQ's but LD. You have your kids with high IQ's. And you have all the rest. Almost every school offers gifted programs now. There was a time when you had to have a pretty high IQ to get into the gifted program. Based on my experience, these gifted programs now require lower scores to qualify for their programs because they have to do something with all these different types of kids. I personally know people that are in our gifted program with IQ's between 100 and 110. That isn't even on the chart. I also know two people in gifted programs that have never had an IQ test. It was done based on a teacher recommendation. Therefore, hearing that every single kid on the Dis is in the gifted program doesn't surprise me in the least.
 
Stuff like that really does amaze me.

I think it would have been interesting to have had him as a university classmate.


The thing is, I haven't found any info about what he's doing lately. I was so fascinated by this kid.

I've done a lot of reading about profoundly gifted children and statistically there are more boys than girls. I wonder why??
 
If your child is profoundly gifted, I'd LOVE to hear some about it!! One of my favorite movies ever is Little Man Tate, about a child who was profoundly gifted that he attended college at age 9 or 10. If your child is like that, please tell us about it! I always thought I'd be scared to have a child with that kind of intelligence abilities. I love the TV shows that profile them and show how the parents often feel overwhelmed by the intellectual needs of their child, and how these children go into neuroscience research and things like that by the time they're 16 years old!

Yeah... I answered most of these questions earlier in this thread.

I'll just say that I did not want my child to attend college at 9 or 10. Frankly, singling my child out as a freak didn't sound fun to me at all. Childhood is not a race, and my daughter doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

Edit:

Okay, that came out sounding a little grumpy, I'm sorry...

You want some possibly-not-gifted stories?

A little slice of life with my 15yo... :)

I love working logic problems, especially the really hard ones. I was stumped on one "Expert level" problem and my daughter, who has never to my knowledge looked at them before, said, "Can I try it?" I handed it to her and five minutes later she handed it back with a grin, saying, "See? That's where you went wrong!"

Thanks, honey! :rolleyes:

She gets tons of books from the library, on every subject imaginable.

She was reading a new book the other morning about biochemistry and sharing tidbits of info with me. When I commented to my friends that evening about us being whatever percentage of some chemical, my daughter corrected me, and then rattled off from memory another ten or so chemicals and their percentages that make up the human body. She would have kept going, except she realized we were all bored and ready to move on with our conversation, so she said, "Shutting up now!" and went back to her fanfiction.

She was also crowing last night over the fact that she can now actually recognize pronouns in Ancient Egyptian, so apparently she's well on her way to teaching herself to read it. I mentioned this latest hobby to a friend over breakfast and her comment was, "Well, whatever keeps her off the streets!"

Life is VERY ordinary, very normal, and very enjoyable. My daughter's a good kid. I like having her around. I hope she decided to live at home while she does her undergrad.

And if the fact that she hasn't gone to university yet makes her not gifted by some definitions here, then I'm okay with that. :goodvibes It's not like the label means anything once you're grown up. I'm just glad we were able to get her identified as a youngster, so we could get her into a good program for profoundly gifted students in Grade 1.
 
The thing is, I haven't found any info about what he's doing lately. I was so fascinated by this kid.

I've done a lot of reading about profoundly gifted children and statistically there are more boys than girls. I wonder why??

Ya know, I've never really paid a lot of attention, but that does seem to be about right. I don't know why, either.

Stereotypically, boys are better at math and science than girls. I don't know if that is actually accurate, and if it is, I don't if it would have any bearing on the issue.

I wonder if there is actually a scientific answer for that.
 
She was also crowing last night over the fact that she can now actually recognize pronouns in Ancient Egyptian, so apparently she's well on her way to teaching herself to read it. I mentioned this latest hobby to a friend over breakfast and her comment was, "Well, whatever keeps her off the streets!"

Ok, that's funny! :laughing:

And I had no idea Ancient Egyptian used pronouns. I thought it was just pictographs things with nouns, verbs and adjectives! Very interesting. What does she want to pursue as a career when she grows up? I know she's still young, but does she have any ideas??
 
And Yodagirl, best wishes and congatulations on your upcoming blessed event!
 
Is anyone else getting the banner ad that says "Is your child gifted? Click here for a 50 question test." :rotfl:

And Yodagirl, best wishes and congatulations on your upcoming blessed event!

Thank you!
 
I love working logic problems, especially the really hard ones. I was stumped on one "Expert level" problem and my daughter, who has never to my knowledge looked at them before, said, "Can I try it?" I handed it to her and five minutes later she handed it back with a grin, saying, "See? That's where you went wrong!"

This is visual spatial skills not academics, but this reminds me that one morning last year DS's teacher handed DS her phone and asked him to beat the level of Angry Birds for her. :lmao:
 
Ok, that's funny! :laughing:

And I had no idea Ancient Egyptian used pronouns. I thought it was just pictographs things with nouns, verbs and adjectives! Very interesting. What does she want to pursue as a career when she grows up? I know she's still young, but does she have any ideas??

Okay, I just asked my daughter about the Egyptian stuff... This is what she said.

"They did have pronouns, mostly for determining what verbs are referring to... sorry, that's not the best explanation. It was a whole language, with nouns, pronouns, verbs, everything. Like, 'Tell me' transliterates in English as djed-i, with the i meaning, well... I!" (She gave some more examples at this point, but I stopped her.) She went on to say, "We only know how they sounded because of a couple times Egyptian words are written in Greek. Since Egyptian only uses consonants."

She was literally bouncing up and down with excitement at this point. I told her thanks, that's enough and started trying to finish up this post.

Except she just came back!

"I keep thinking spoken Egyptian must have been confusing, because they had so many words that sound exactly the same. In written Egyptian the identically written words are told apart by a special sign at the end called a determinative, of which there are a whole lot, each one meaning something different. For example, the word seti with its basic meaning to shoot, can mean anything from to set on fire, to pour water, to stare, or to glitter, depending on the determinative at the end. In spoken Egyptian it would have all relied on context."

Oh, lordy. "I think that's enough, honey. Thanks!" She's still bouncing.

"I'm just excited," my daughter explained. "I love this stuff, and I'm actually getting to explain it to someone!"

FWIW, she says she knows exactly what she plans to do with her life. She's going to do her undergrad locally. Then she'll apply to med school. Once she's accepted in med school, she's going to enlist the Officer Medical Training Program with the Canadian Army, and get them to pay for it. That's her first plan. Her backup plan is to get a doctorate in a branch of the sciences - preferably biology - and go to work for the Canadian gov't. (Hopefully Agriculture won't be still firing all their scientists by time she's in the job market!)

She's been going on about being a doctor since she was four. She cried on her first day of kindergarten, because they wouldn't teach her to be a biologist. Me, I think she'll make a terrific research scientist someday. But whatever she ultimately decides, I really, truly just want her to be happy. And find someone who will love and cherish her, her whole life.
 
This is visual spatial skills not academics, but this reminds me that one morning last year DS's teacher handed DS her phone and asked him to beat the level of Angry Birds for her. :lmao:

That's so funny! :laughing: He must be quite the gamer.
 
Okay, I just asked my daughter about the Egyptian stuff... This is what she said.

"They did have pronouns, mostly for determining what verbs are referring to... sorry, that's not the best explanation. It was a whole language, with nouns, pronouns, verbs, everything. Like, 'Tell me' transliterates in English as djed-i, with the i meaning, well... I!" (She gave some more examples at this point, but I stopped her.) She went on to say, "We only know how they sounded because of a couple times Egyptian words are written in Greek. Since Egyptian only uses consonants."

She was literally bouncing up and down with excitement at this point. I told her thanks, that's enough and started trying to finish up this post.

Except she just came back!

"I keep thinking spoken Egyptian must have been confusing, because they had so many words that sound exactly the same. In written Egyptian the identically written words are told apart by a special sign at the end called a determinative, of which there are a whole lot, each one meaning something different. For example, the word seti with its basic meaning to shoot, can mean anything from to set on fire, to pour water, to stare, or to glitter, depending on the determinative at the end. In spoken Egyptian it would have all relied on context."

Oh, lordy. "I think that's enough, honey. Thanks!" She's still bouncing.

"I'm just excited," my daughter explained. "I love this stuff, and I'm actually getting to explain it to someone!"

FWIW, she says she knows exactly what she plans to do with her life. She's going to do her undergrad locally. Then she'll apply to med school. Once she's accepted in med school, she's going to enlist the Officer Medical Training Program with the Canadian Army, and get them to pay for it. That's her first plan. Her backup plan is to get a doctorate in a branch of the sciences - preferably biology - and go to work for the Canadian gov't. (Hopefully Agriculture won't be still firing all their scientists by time she's in the job market!)

She's been going on about being a doctor since she was four. She cried on her first day of kindergarten, because they wouldn't teach her to be a biologist. Me, I think she'll make a terrific research scientist someday. But whatever she ultimately decides, I really, truly just want her to be happy. And find someone who will love and cherish her, her whole life.

So their spoken language and writen language were the same? For some reason I just assumed there was a difference. I'm not really sure why. :confused3 Languages are not my strong suit at all though.

My ds wants to be a Dr. He just doesn't understand why other people don't get as excited about the digestive system or the circulatory system. :rotfl:

That's so funny! :laughing: He must be quite the gamer.

He would play games for hours and hours if I let him. He gets really irritable and cranky if he plays to long, so we have to limit his game playing. He's got off the charts visual spatial skills and fine motor integration. He had decreased strength in his fingers and hands though, so he can play the heck of out a video game or Operation, but he can't always snap his pants.
 
It's been proven that males are spread more evenly at both ends of the intelligence spectrum, so more men than women are geniuses and more men than women are below average. Women form a much sharper bell curve in the average range. Of course there are exceptions.

I wonder about my older son. I don't know that he is "gifted" and have no intention of getting him tested any time soon but he just turned three and is reading beginning primer books by himself. I think a lot of it though is just that he loves to read and do anything with letters, not that he is necessarily gifted or more intelligent than average. People tend to excel in things that interest them, you know?
 

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