Speculation from New FP+ Survey

[morethananyonex]

I'm not sure if people have shared this on here before, but I know I haven't seen it. I just received a survey about FP+ from the trip we took about a month ago. They're asking some very interesting and specific questions on there that have me optimistic for the direction FP+ may be headed. The survey leads me to believe the 3 FP limit will be addressed sooner than later, as well as the park hopping issues.

After being asked the general what do you think about FP+ type questions, it brought me to 3 specific scenarios to give my opinion on. All scenarios involve the ability to prebook FP+ for all guests and also the ability to use your 3 options in more than one park. Here they are:

-Option A suggested fixing the 3 FP+ limit by changing it to a rolling 3, meaning after you use one you can book another. The 4th (and 5th, 6th etc.) would be subject to availability, but in Epcot and DHS they could be additional tier 1 choices if they were available.

-Option B suggested fixing the 3 FP+ limit by opening up an additional 4th FP+ once the first 3 are used (subject to availability again). This option also lets you choose another tier 1 FP. This is a revolving 4th FP+, so you can keep booking if after using it.

-Option C suggested fixing the 3 FP limit by offering a 4th FP+ selection available to book starting at 1 PM each day. Again, this is a revolving FP+ that you can keep booking after subject to availability. Same as the other options, this one lets you pick from tier 1 for the 4th FP subject to availability.

After answering all the questions about those scenarios, it asked me specifically about hopping. Another thing to note, the way they worded the questions they specifically said to assume for all scenarios that the tiers are in place. There was not even one question directed towards my feelings on them. Just speculation on my part, but I think it's pretty safe to assume they are not going anywhere for a long time.

Sorry in advance if this is old news, it was new to me!

 

[JeremyGNJ]

Option B sounds the best to me.

C doesn't make ANY sense, because it will overly reward people who get to the park early. If you don't plan to arrive until 2-4pm, not only will you have missed the first round of FP, but then people will be

Option A is the worst because, again, if you get to the park early and use 3 FPs before noon, you'll be sucking up THREE additional FP that late-comers wil not be able to use.

 

[morethananyonex]

Option B sounds the best to me.

C doesn't make ANY sense, because it will overly reward people who get to the park early. If you don't plan to arrive until 2-4pm, not only will you have missed the first round of FP, but then people will be

Option A is the worst because, again, if you get to the park early and use 3 FPs before noon, you'll be sucking up THREE additional FP that late-comers wil not be able to use.

See, I think option A is awesome, because we would be one of those families sucking up additional FP once we use ours. We have to use most of our FP in the mornings anyways, so it would work great for my family.

I think you're slightly misunderstanding the scenarios though (or I suck at explaining them). C rewards everybody, from my understanding after 1 PM you can book a 4th regardless of whether you've used your first 3. Keep in mind that everybody would have prebooking ability, so there is no missing out on the first round of FP+, you would have already had them booked for your later arrival.

 

[JimmyV]

Option A is the worst because, again, if you get to the park early and use 3 FPs before noon, you'll be sucking up THREE additional FP that late-comers wil not be able to use.

This is wrong on soooo many levels. Lots of people have touted the benefit of FP+ which allows people to arrive later in the day. Fine you get that benefit, so live with it. Option A does not do anything to pull back a FP from anyone who has already booked theirs. You still can arrive late and get your three rides and possibly more. But don't deride an option that allows early arrivers to get more FPs than late arrivers. It was on thing for people to complain that they did not like FP- because they were disadvantaged and couldn't get passes. Now, with FP+, you can. But why complain about peope getting more if they arrived earlier than you? All of a sudden it has gone from "I love FP+ because I get my 3 and can avoid RD" to "I hate the suggested change to FP+ because I get my three but other people will get more." Yep. People who are at the park for a longer period of time get more.

And Option C is a terrible idea. We already have people lining up for RD. The last thing the parks need is a second "virtual" RD at 1:00 where people start to line up at FP kiosks at noon to be first in line or stop dead in their tracks at 12:58 to log on with their smartphones hitting "refresh".

 

[jenjersnap]

Did they actually use the word "fix"?! That would be humorous.

I could make any of those scenarios work for us but I would prefer being able to get a 4th, etc. one in another park as we leave most parks at lunch time and usually go to another in late afternoon.

 

[surferdave]

This is wrong on soooo many levels. Lots of people have touted the benefit of FP+ which allows people to arrive later in the day. Fine you get that benefit, so live with it. Option A does not do anything to pull back a FP from anyone who has already booked theirs. You still can arrive late and get your three rides and possibly more. But don't deride an option that allows early arrivers to get more FPs than late arrivers. It was on thing for people to complain that they did not like FP- because they were disadvantaged and couldn't get passes. Now, with FP+, you can. But why complain about peope getting more if they arrived earlier than you? All of a sudden it has gone from "I love FP+ because I get my 3 and can avoid RD" to "I hate the suggested change to FP+ because I get my three but other people will get more." Yep. People who are at the park for a longer period of time get more.

It's the new late arrival sense of entitlement.

 

[morethananyonex]

This is wrong on soooo many levels. Lots of people have touted the benefit of FP+ which allows people to arrive later in the day. Fine you get that benefit, so live with it. Option A does not do anything to pull back a FP from anyone who has already booked theirs. You still can arrive late and get your three rides and possibly more. But don't deride an option that allows early arrivers to get more FPs than late arrivers. It was on thing for people to complain that they did not like FP- because they were disadvantaged and couldn't get passes. Now, with FP+, you can. But why complain about peope getting more if they arrived earlier than you? All of a sudden it has gone from "I love FP+ because I get my 3 and can avoid RD" to "I hate the suggested change to FP+ because I get my three but other people will get more." Yep. People who are at the park for a longer period of time get more.

A great combination of the good aspects of FP+ and FP-. I think it would be a wonderful improvement and if Disney could make it work with their capacity issues, I think FP+ could be a really good thing.

Did they actually use the word "fix"?! That would be humorous.

I could make any of those scenarios work for us but I would prefer being able to get a 4th, etc. one in another park as we leave most parks at lunch time and usually go to another in late afternoon.

No, they did not use the word fix, that was all me.

The survey wasn't too clear about if the 4th+ could be in a different park, but I'm thinking that it might be if this ever comes to pass because they said to assume for all scenarios FP+ could be booked at more than one park per day.

 

[famy27]

I'm not sure if people have shared this on here before, but I know I haven't seen it. I just received a survey about FP+ from the trip we took about a month ago. They're asking some very interesting and specific questions on there that have me optimistic for the direction FP+ may be headed. The survey leads me to believe the 3 FP limit will be addressed sooner than later, as well as the park hopping issues.

After being asked the general what do you think about FP+ type questions, it brought me to 3 specific scenarios to give my opinion on. All scenarios involve the ability to prebook FP+ for all guests and also the ability to use your 3 options in more than one park. Here they are:

-Option A suggested fixing the 3 FP+ limit by changing it to a rolling 3, meaning after you use one you can book another. The 4th (and 5th, 6th etc.) would be subject to availability, but in Epcot and DHS they could be additional tier 1 choices if they were available.

-Option B suggested fixing the 3 FP+ limit by opening up an additional 4th FP+ once the first 3 are used (subject to availability again). This option also lets you choose another tier 1 FP. This is a revolving 4th FP+, so you can keep booking if after using it.

-Option C suggested fixing the 3 FP limit by offering a 4th FP+ selection available to book starting at 1 PM each day. Again, this is a revolving FP+ that you can keep booking after subject to availability. Same as the other options, this one lets you pick from tier 1 for the 4th FP subject to availability.

After answering all the questions about those scenarios, it asked me specifically about hopping. Another thing to note, the way they worded the questions they specifically said to assume for all scenarios that the tiers are in place. There was not even one question directed towards my feelings on them. Just speculation on my part, but I think it's pretty safe to assume they are not going anywhere for a long time.

Sorry in advance if this is old news, it was new to me!

Was this survey an e-mail? If so, is it possible to copy and paste the exact wording? I'm not sure I am understanding the difference between A and B, so I'd love to read the original text. Thanks!

 

[FLchick415]

If I'm understanding correctly, the difference between A and B...

Option A means you'll always have 3 FPs in your "possession" at any time. After you use the first, you'll be able to book another one, so forth and so on.

Option B means you'll have to use ALL 3 original FPs first before getting the option to get a 4th.

 

[morethananyonex]

Was this survey an e-mail? If so, is it possible to copy and paste the exact wording? I'm not sure I am understanding the difference between A and B, so I'd love to read the original text. Thanks!

Sorry, it was just a link to their survey site in the e-mail so I don't have access to the survey now that I've finished it.

Broken down the options they gave were:

Option A - Can book 3 FP+ in advance. Can hold up to 3 FP+ at once, with the ability to book a new one once you've used one.

Option B - Can book 3 FP+ in advance. Must use all 3 first before you can book a 4th. Once 4th is used you can book a 5th, etc.

Option C - Can book 3 FP+ in advance. After 1 PM can book a 4th, with the ability to book a 5th once it is used (and a 6th once the 5th is used, etc.)

All options assumed everybody can prebook and FP choices can be made in more than 1 park per day. They were all subject to availability for the extra FP, and additional tier 1 FP could be booked subject to availability.

 

[jensen]

I just finished this survey... the options were in a different order for me. But, I chose the option of after 1 PM for the fourth FP as my favorite option. The reason for me is that we like to arrive late and I love to ride Tower of Terror at dusk. So, I wanted to be able to book that fastpass before we arrive, but still have the opportunity to book a fourth fastpass at some point during the day.

I think option C is the best happy medium.

 

[HopperFan]

Email survey, longer than usual. I'm taking some pics of pages.

Note that the additional FP+ you can get in this scenario are spelled out for you on a chart. It's not anything you may want.

 

[morethananyonex]

I just finished this survey... the options were in a different order for me. But, I chose the option of after 1 PM for the fourth FP as my favorite option. The reason for me is that we like to arrive late and I love to ride Tower of Terror at dusk. So, I wanted to be able to book that fastpass before we arrive, but still have the opportunity to book a fourth fastpass at some point during the day.

I think option C is the best happy medium.

One thing I couldn't understand from survey is if the additional FP could be repeats from your first 3. Did you get the impression that you could repeat rides?

 

[morethananyonex]

Email survey, longer than usual. I'm taking some pics of pages.

Note that the additional FP+ you can get in this scenario are spelled out for you on a chart. It's not anything you may want.

Those were just examples of FP that would likely be available, weren't they? I think they just want people to get an idea that while TSMM will be gone, Buzz won't, for example.

 

[johde]

C rewards everybody, from my understanding after 1 PM you can book a 4th regardless of whether you've used your first 3. Keep in mind that everybody would have prebooking ability, so there is no missing out on the first round of FP+, you would have already had them booked for your later arrival.

I'm reading Option C the same way you are. You can pick 3 in advance. At 1:00, no matter where you are you can pick a 4th and that 4th doesn't have tiers attached.

Option C seem like the best. Ideally, I would make FP+ 4 a rolling FP with rules "similar" to FP- when you made your 4th FP+ it would give you a time you could book your 5th FP+. The amount of time you'd need to wait would not be based on return time but crowd projections. So, if the park is empty, you may be able to book your 5th FP+ at 2:30. If it's New Years Day, it may come back with "sorry limit of X FP+ today"

 

[JeremyGNJ]

This is wrong on soooo many levels. Lots of people have touted the benefit of FP+ which allows people to arrive later in the day. Fine you get that benefit, so live with it. Option A does not do anything to pull back a FP from anyone who has already booked theirs. You still can arrive late and get your three rides and possibly more. But don't deride an option that allows early arrivers to get more FPs than late arrivers. It was on thing for people to complain that they did not like FP- because they were disadvantaged and couldn't get passes. Now, with FP+, you can. But why complain about peope getting more if they arrived earlier than you? All of a sudden it has gone from "I love FP+ because I get my 3 and can avoid RD" to "I hate the suggested change to FP+ because I get my three but other people will get more." Yep. People who are at the park for a longer period of time get more.

And Option C is a terrible idea. We already have people lining up for RD. The last thing the parks need is a second "virtual" RD at 1:00 where people start to line up at FP kiosks at noon to be first in line or stop dead in their tracks at 12:58 to log on with their smartphones hitting "refresh".

You're really assuming here that everyone wants to pay for a Disney hotel room so they can book FP+'s in advance. MOST people will arrive at the park and THEN get FP's.

 

[morethananyonex]

You're really assuming here that everyone wants to pay for a Disney hotel room so they can book FP+'s in advance. MOST people will arrive at the park and THEN get FP's.

You're misunderstanding. The survey was very clear that prebooking will apply to ALL guests, not just Disney resort guests. In addition, in the last few days offsite guests have started to receive the ability to book their FP+ in advance.

 

[HopperFan]

Those were just examples of FP that would likely be available, weren't they? I think they just want people to get an idea that while TSMM will be gone, Buzz won't, for example.

Yes, why I said "scenario" but I felt the survey was to be answered based on that availability.

Their wording:
"Likely Attraction Availability on the Day a Guest Visits a Theme Park"
Rides were listed under the following:
- Available at any point during the day
- Available only later in the day
- Unavailable

 

[JZCubed]

I'm not sure if people have shared this on here before, but I know I haven't seen it. I just received a survey about FP+ from the trip we took about a month ago. They're asking some very interesting and specific questions on there that have me optimistic for the direction FP+ may be headed. The survey leads me to believe the 3 FP limit will be addressed sooner than later, as well as the park hopping issues.

After being asked the general what do you think about FP+ type questions, it brought me to 3 specific scenarios to give my opinion on. All scenarios involve the ability to prebook FP+ for all guests and also the ability to use your 3 options in more than one park. Here they are:

-Option A suggested fixing the 3 FP+ limit by changing it to a rolling 3, meaning after you use one you can book another. The 4th (and 5th, 6th etc.) would be subject to availability, but in Epcot and DHS they could be additional tier 1 choices if they were available.

-Option B suggested fixing the 3 FP+ limit by opening up an additional 4th FP+ once the first 3 are used (subject to availability again). This option also lets you choose another tier 1 FP. This is a revolving 4th FP+, so you can keep booking if after using it.

-Option C suggested fixing the 3 FP limit by offering a 4th FP+ selection available to book starting at 1 PM each day. Again, this is a revolving FP+ that you can keep booking after subject to availability. Same as the other options, this one lets you pick from tier 1 for the 4th FP subject to availability.

After answering all the questions about those scenarios, it asked me specifically about hopping. Another thing to note, the way they worded the questions they specifically said to assume for all scenarios that the tiers are in place. There was not even one question directed towards my feelings on them. Just speculation on my part, but I think it's pretty safe to assume they are not going anywhere for a long time.

Sorry in advance if this is old news, it was new to me!

Funny, I just mentioned the ideas included in the survey to a Cast Member who has been helping me with an Annual Pass problem.

It makes sense to me that after a person has used 3 FP+ for the day, that available FP+ for later that same day be made available to people who want them.

At present, Disney is allowing these potential FP+ to go unused.

So, families like mine will leave the Park and spend little or no money at our hotel. Or, Disney can keep me in the Park a bit longer to purchase a $5 cola and/or popcorn by allowing me an opportunity to grab just one more FP that is presently being unused.

The OP is on to something - Disney is surveying solutions to very apparent 'fixes' for at least some of the 'problems' with FP+.

 

[HopperFan]

You're really assuming here that everyone wants to pay for a Disney hotel room so they can book FP+'s in advance. MOST people will arrive at the park and THEN get FP's.

SURVEY DIRECT WORDING:

"All Guests, whether staying at a WDW Resort hotel or not, would have access to making Disney FP+ selections prior to arriving at the WDW Resort as long as they have purchased a theme park ticket(s). All Guests would also have access to making and modifying the Disney FP+ while at a WDW theme park.