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If you had a seat assignment from when you bought your ticket, would you still have to do the check in the day beforehand? And more important, you now can change your flight if the fare goes down-so how would that work if you had an assigned seat already? Or am I "overthinking", as my former boss used to accuse me of?


You always have to check in within 24 hours of your flight, no matter what airline or if you have a seat assignment. You just won’t have that urgency at 24 hours to get your boarding position. I don’t think anyone knows how it would work if the rates go down, since SW has never had assigned seating before. I have done it on Jetblue many years ago. I called & the agent made the adjustment & gave me the credit.
 
If you had a seat assignment from when you bought your ticket, would you still have to do the check in the day beforehand? And more important, you now can change your flight if the fare goes down-so how would that work if you had an assigned seat already? Or am I "overthinking", as my former boss used to accuse me of?
I fly Delta with assigned seating. I still need to check in at SOME point before going to the airport (at least going through security). That checkin is what actually gives me my BP.

Delta has done away with change fees, so if the price drops, I can change the tickets to the lower price (flight credit if booked non-refundable, credit to CC if refundable).
 
Except SW never had you pick seats when you book, so there is no “going back” to that. They always had open seating. If that business model doesn’t work for your travel party….don’t book SW. Easy peasy.
Not only have they never had you pick seats when you book, but originally you didn't even get the A-B-C boarding designation when you checked in. You had to go to the airport and get in line at the gate: The first to arrive boarded first, last to arrive boarded last. It was crazy-hectic, with people sitting on the floor, in line, at the gates.

Maybe assign family seating, from the back of the plane? Board them first (give them an F-designation) and then board everyone else in the typical SW fashion? OR they can pay for EBCI-either for everyone, or pay for an adult and a kid under 13 gets a free EBCI? (I know...families with more than 1 kid would be an issue) IDK... I'm not sure there is a good solution.

Also... please stop judging pre-boarders who can walk off the plane. I pre-board because my knee doesn't bend more than about 40 degrees. It doesn't matter how long it takes for me to walk up or down the jetway; If I can't get a seat in a specific location (which is how SW's pre-boarding guidelines are written), I can't sit in the plane. I need an aisle seat on the port side of the plane... don't care how far back it is, but there have been two times, with a B assignment for EBCI, that I haven't been able to get a seat that I need, thanks to family boarding out of MCO. It was a heck of a trip, lemme tell ya. SO... I look perfectly fine and I tolerate the stink-eye because personally, I don't care what ignorant people assume. I know I have a legit need/reason, within SW's pre-boarding rules, to pre-board, so I do- and happily jump up and get off the plane ASAP, because after 2 hours of being cooped up, that knee is screaming at me.
 
My DH uses a rollator all the time but at disney where he uses an ECV. He does get wheelchair help and does preboard. He could slowly walk down the ramp with his rollator. Slowly is the key. He has balance issues on top of knee issues. He would have issues walking up the ramp.

I wonder if SW had a rule of first on, last off, if that would cut down on the number of wheelchairs preboarding. We tend to wait since I have to wait for DH's rollator to get unloaded anyway.
If you depend on your own wheelchair, FiLO is the regular course of business. I usually wait 20-30 minutes after everyone else has deplaned for my wheelchair to arrive at the gate from the hold.

I have some horror stories, including a death from a fall from a wheelchair in a jetway, about boarding planes.

Finally modify planes so that one can remain in one’s wheelchair and require wheelchair users to use their chair on the plane (and disembark using their chair).
 

I have a four year old and we have paid for EBCI for our family of three and still get stuck in the Bs often so we end up getting into the rat race of family boarding. I hate family boarding so much but we need to sit with our toddler.
 
Seeing you post about wheelchairs reminded me of something! My mom doesn’t use a wheelchair everyday. Usually a cane, sometimes a rollator. At the airport she has to have a wheelchair because of the distance and inclines. Once the only 2 wheelchairs were my mom and a family with a girl in a full leg cast. We get to our arrival and a couple that sat in the empty end seats to our rows are off first because it takes a little longer for us. We get to jetway and they each hop in a wheelchair and are gone while we are trying to yell down the workers pushing the wheelchair. Gate agent said they’d call for 2 more. The whole plane had exited and still we waited. Pilot came out and said “you are STILL waiting?” We said yeah and so he went and got wheel chairs and pilots pushed them up the jetway.

All this to say, since we put that wheelchair assistance on the ticket when we book, they should have to confirm the butt IN the wheelchair before they take off with it.
 
To me, a pre boarder who genuinely uses a wheelchair, I see that as a major problem. On a recent flight there were close to 20 of us pre boarders, all in wheelchairs. Southwest has a policy (no doubt for insurance purposes) that only Southwest employees can push wheelchair passengers in the jetways, but there were only a couple Southwest employees available. So the gate agent made an announcement that "If you can walk in the jetway, please do, as otherwise it'll take a long time." Suddenly, a miracle! About 15 people suddenly jumped up an abandoned their wheelchairs and walked fast or faster down the jetway (hardly anyone needed a cane). Meanwhile the few of us who couldn't walk were left to try to push the abandoned wheelchairs out of the way in order to make an orderly line. I later read an article that lots of people are claiming pre board needs in order to avoid paying for early check-in, then some of them try to save seats. If anything were to get me to stop flying Southwest, it would be seeing this blatant abuse (I guess it's similar to the DAS abuse).
so not to fuel the fire, but last SW flight we took (April 2024), I literally watched a guy run from the starbucks back to his wheelchair that his wife was standing at, sit down and proceed to be pushed down the jetway.
 
so not to fuel the fire, but last SW flight we took (April 2024), I literally watched a guy run from the starbucks back to his wheelchair that his wife was standing at, sit down and proceed to be pushed down the jetway.

My last Southwest flight was summer 2021. I'll never forget my family had B1-6, but when it was our turn to board, apparently a convention of school teachers had decided which folks were "disabled enough" that they could all preboard and SAVE EVERY LAST ROW ON THE DANG PLANE (not already taken by earlier paid boarders) for end and aisle seats (1 was in each set of 3 seats)...so my family would have had to split to 6 middle seats.

I had leukemia and was wearing my "I have leukemia" shirt, and I'm pretty sure my spouse shamed the ladies in the last row of the plane to move up and join their fellow teachers (who had B and C boarding passes - although not many folks were boarding with those existing passes b/c everyone was "family" or "disabled") so I could be seated within and around my family.

I won't play the disabilities game Southwest almost forces folks into, and I will pay to have my family surround me, so I've never been back. It's not worth it.

But, I'll never forget that boarding...it was literally unbelievable, even then...and it made me swear off them til they fix this permanently.
 
I pay for Business Select when flying to/from MCO just so I can guarantee an overhead spot for my carry on bag (I never check a bag when flying that route). I'm glad I did when I flew Southwest last month as everyone in the C group, or what was left of that group after the preboarders and family boarders, had to gate check their bags.

I only fly Southwest to Orlando as the only non stop alternative is Spirit and the boarding process at Southwest is still better than Spirit as a whole. I wouldn't be upset if they started assigning seats IMO. The boarding process is such a crap show these days.
 
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The first on last off rule for medical preboarding could be considered discrimination and run against ADA. There is a reason they don’t do it.
ADA doesn't apply to airlines. They are covered by a similar law, the Air Carrier Access Act. Simple thing for Congress to change if they'd care to.
My last Southwest flight was summer 2021. I'll never forget my family had B1-6, but when it was our turn to board, apparently a convention of school teachers had decided which folks were "disabled enough" that they could all preboard and SAVE EVERY LAST ROW ON THE DANG PLANE (not already taken by earlier paid boarders) for end and aisle seats (1 was in each set of 3 seats)...so my family would have had to split to 6 middle seats.

I had leukemia and was wearing my "I have leukemia" shirt, and I'm pretty sure my spouse shamed the ladies in the last row of the plane to move up and join their fellow teachers (who had B and C boarding passes - although not many folks were boarding with those existing passes b/c everyone was "family" or "disabled") so I could be seated within and around my family.

I won't play the disabilities game Southwest almost forces folks into, and I will pay to have my family surround me, so I've never been back. It's not worth it.

But, I'll never forget that boarding...it was literally unbelievable, even then...and it made me swear off them til they fix this permanently.
That's where you plop down in any empty seats. SW's policy is "open seating" any seat that's open is eligible to be taken. Had this fight on a SW flight to MCO in October. Two women sitting in aisle seats opposite weren't going to let me take a window seat that was open. They relented as a flight attendant was coming up to the aisle to deal with them.
 
All this to say, since we put that wheelchair assistance on the ticket when we book, they should have to confirm the butt IN the wheelchair before they take off with it.
I've had it happen to me, also. And it is very frustrating.
Browsing the Southwest website today, I decided to read exactly what they say about pre boarding and wheelchairs. It says that when you ask for wheelchair assistance or Preboard, "Be prepared that you'll be asked some questions to be sure you qualify for pre board. If it's determined that you don't qualify for pre board, you'll be able to board between the A and B groups, before family boarding". I've never been asked anything, and I've never heard any announcement about anyone other than Families boarding between A and B. Either Southwest is claiming one thing but not doing it, or this is brand new, and somehow no one's announced it yet.
 
I've had it happen to me, also. And it is very frustrating.
Browsing the Southwest website today, I decided to read exactly what they say about pre boarding and wheelchairs. It says that when you ask for wheelchair assistance or Preboard, "Be prepared that you'll be asked some questions to be sure you qualify for pre board. If it's determined that you don't qualify for pre board, you'll be able to board between the A and B groups, before family boarding". I've never been asked anything, and I've never heard any announcement about anyone other than Families boarding between A and B. Either Southwest is claiming one thing but not doing it, or this is brand new, and somehow no one's announced it yet.

I don’t use a wheelchair or preboard, I have been booking BS to get an early A boarding group. But I have heard the announcement that families & people who need extra time to board will be able to board after A group boarding. I have always been on the plane during g A boarding, so no idea how many people use this extra time boarding or what they need to do to access it. But I definitely have heard it in Buffalo & Orlando.
 
Fakers are easy to spot if you're on the plane with them; they get miraculously cured only after the plane lands. I'm not talking about being able to walk off vs. using a wheelchair or walker to board, I'm talking about being able to essentially sprint off the plane and up the jetway carrying a full load, and to sling overhead bags down one-handed when they piteously asked the FA to put them up when boarding. People with invisible disabilities tend to move at the same speed getting on AND getting off; I've never assumed anything but that such a person had a medical condition.

As to assigned seats on SWA, I'm against them, at least for the majority of fliers. (I'm OK with selling a guaranteed "A" slot, but that would have to be a true guarantee; no accepting payment from anyone who won't get one of the first 60 slots.) Remember that the reason SWA chose not to assign seats is that not having to deal with "zone" boarding speeds their turnaround time considerably. It's still a profitable aspect of the model, and Elliott wants to maximize profits. SWA's biggest problem is not with their boarding process, but with their operations infrastructure, in particular their IT system. They failed to invest in upgrading it for years, and the Great Christmas Meltdown was the result. I also expect they will drop the "737 only" mandate; being wedded to one aircraft leaves them little bargaining power with mfrs., and also leaves them in a bad place when a model is grounded. Knowing what Boeing has been up to in the past decade or so means the handwriting is on the wall with that one. Lack of assigned seating isn't really costing SWA butts-in-seats, I don't think, their average load factor is at 80% right now, a bit down from previously, but disposable income is a bit scarce right now, and business travel will never go back to what it once was now that we have perfected online meetings. (The airlines with the very highest load factors are the European budget carriers like RyanAir, which averages 98%. They can do that because they offer REALLY low airfares last-minute to fill seats at below cost. The trick is that the way the tax structure works there, airlines often have to pay landing fees based on how many seats the aircraft has, even if they are empty, so they essentially give away the space so that a passenger will assume the cost of the fees.)

Family seating is an interesting conundrum, one with int'l differences of opinion. I've read quite a lot on the subject, and the one thing I've become sure of is that most people don't really understand why regulatory agencies want it. (Hint: it is NOT for the safety of the child.) There were extensive live emergency evac tests done in the UK with volunteers, and it was discovered that if parents were not seated with their pre-teen children, the *parents* ended up fouling up emergency evacuations in order to search for the kids in the dark and the smoke, causing other passengers to get injured in the process. The kids, OTOH, did exactly what the crew told them to do, did not panic, did not look for their parents, and got safely out of the aircraft very quickly. (They concluded that this comes from routines learned in school safety drills. The tests excluded very young children; all airlines currently seat children under age 6 with an adult in the party because kids that young are generally not really capable of understanding how to use the oxygen masks in a crisis.) Most European countries followed the UK testing result and mandated years ago that children under age 13 must be seated "within arm's reach" of an adult member of their traveling party; which does not mean all in the same row. Under that rule you can seat a parent and two children in the middle seats of 3 consecutive rows; the kids just have to be within grabbing distance without a parent having to mow down anyone else to get to them in the dark. Somehow I feel that the "arm's reach" standard is not going to be considered in the US; the push is for same-row, and that's where the airlines are resisting, because normally they can get a premium fee for an aisle seat. (The answer to that, as someone else pointed out, is that airlines could restrict same-row free family assignments to seats aft of the wings, and accomodate with consecutive middles elsewhere.)

One perk I can easily see getting cut is the baggage allowance: down from 2 free checked bags to one. Allowing free checked baggage speeds up boarding because people are less likely to try to get oversized bags into the cabin, so it doesn't make sense to cut it entirely (and it's also hugely popular with consumers), but going from 2 to 1 when every other airline now charges for all of them (unless you have status or a branded CC) is low-hanging fruit. Don't expect the weight limit to change, though; that's a worker's comp issue for baggage handlers.

Conversely, one new thing I'd like to see is an a la carte option for using Rapid Rewards for things other than drinks and flights. With an updated IT system you should be able to use points to pay for extra checked bags, special boarding positions, and full internet. I think that would cut down on the number of people who manage to accumulate enough points for flights, because they would be constantly chipping away at their balance with extras, leaving more seats to be sold for cash without loss of customer goodwill.
 
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I’ve never flown SW. Most of the time we fly JetBlue domestic. We usually upgrade to ‘more room’ seats that come with early boarding. It’s getting increasingly hectic/aggressive. We prefer not to board asap and usually go toward the end of our group call or into the next group. Holy cow! It didn’t use to be like this. Try to ask people if they are the end of the line, or on line? Not one straight answer and mostly hostile. I’ve now stopped asking after realizing what’s going on. People jockeying to be first once their group is called. Sad to say they have all been outright nasty or deceptive. Every last one of them (over several recent trips) that I’ve tried to be polite and ask if they are end of line, because they actually cluster on the back of the current line. I think it’s just the last 2 years have gotten progressively worse each flight. We learned to just walk through them up to the people holding out their boarding pass because their group has actually been called. The ‘clusterers’ like to pretend we’re cutting them in line 😂 Good luck with that.
 
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I’ve never flown SW. Most of the time we fly JetBlue domestic. We usually upgrade to ‘more room’ seats that come with early boarding. It’s getting increasingly hectic/aggressive. We prefer not to board asap and usually go toward the end of our group call or into the next group. Holy cow! It didn’t use to be like this. Try to ask people if they are the end of the line, or on line? Not one straight answer and mostly hostile. I’ve now stopped asking after realizing what’s going on. People jockeying to be first once their group is called. Sad to say they have all been outright nasty or deceptive. Every last one of them (over several recent trips) that I’ve tried to be polite and ask if they are end of line, because they actually cluster on the back of the current line. I think it’s just the last 2 years have gotten progressively worse each flight. We learned to just walk through them up to the people holding out their boarding pass because their group has actually been called. The ‘clusterers’ like to pretend we’re cutting them in line 😂 Good luck with that.
Ah the Gate Lice. Boarding in group 4 but crowding the gate like they’re in group 1 😂

That is one thing WN flyers don’t have to deal with since their boarding spots are assigned.
 
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SW has an aging aircraft fleet that will require more upkeep and replacing. Like others including JB and others that were around years ago the profits go down quickly as SW has been and they slowly make pricing/policy changes to be similar to the legacy airlines. Like all in the past airlines tickets purchased before any changes will be honored for what was included on the date of purchase. Just be careful of changes to the aircraft and time as this sometime adds confusion for the gate agents (learned from a frustrating experience on a Disney cruise with transfers) and of course if you make a change this will change to the current policies.
 
About a parent booking first class only for him/herself, suppose the parent must book reasonably close seats for children or accept a downgrade to sit near the children, or pay unaccompanied minor fees.

Suppose parents wishing to board early and also bring the whole family must sit in a designated area (such as the rear 1/3 of the plane) and also singles who seat themselves in that area must relocate if asked to by flight crew.

Southwest made one very short trial of assigned seats, assigning the seats randomly. One conclusion was clear, people don't like middle seats. This conclusion was so strong and obvious that using the same test results to also judge how people favor or disfavor assigned seats in general would be clouded and open to immediate dispute.
 
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I've had it happen to me, also. And it is very frustrating.
Browsing the Southwest website today, I decided to read exactly what they say about pre boarding and wheelchairs. It says that when you ask for wheelchair assistance or Preboard, "Be prepared that you'll be asked some questions to be sure you qualify for pre board. If it's determined that you don't qualify for pre board, you'll be able to board between the A and B groups, before family boarding". I've never been asked anything, and I've never heard any announcement about anyone other than Families boarding between A and B. Either Southwest is claiming one thing but not doing it, or this is brand new, and somehow no one's announced it yet.
DH has needed wheelchair help for a few years now. Maybe because we check in with him using a rollator, no one has ever asked questions.
 
Good news/bad news on the bag front Bloomberg

TLDR;

WN is not considering charging for bags among these upcoming changes.

Their brand new activist investor who holds 11% of the company wants charging for bags on the table.
 
Or, when an adult books an itinerary that includes a child under the required age, the airline automatically blocks off 2 seats together. They don’t have to be premium seats or tell you where they are ahead of time. A family with 2 adults, 2 kids doesn’t have to sit all together, they could be seated 2 & 2 or 3 & 1, depending on what the law requires. If you try to book a flight that’s already almost full & can’t accommodate the adult/ child situation, maybe you wouldn’t be able to book that particular flight. I don’t see anyway they would force airlines to routinely reseat other passengers, especially ones that paid to choose a set.
I believe this is what they do. However if the airline does not I believe they would have to move someone who paid for a seat and fairly compensate them for it or bump the family and fairly compensate them. This would get very expensive. So best practice would be to automatically save seats together for a family with younger kids and start with the worst seats and work their way up the plane. Or just show seat assignments when booking and have everyone book their seats before paying (like they used to). Having an up charge for the good seats. This way if a family is not seated together they did it to themselves and I don't think the airline would have to move people or compensate.
 















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