Sony NEX-5N - looking for input

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Long time DSLR owner here, who, frankly, has been using his Canon S95 P&S more and more due to being tired of the size and weight of my 60D. (Although I still use it when I'm looking for the best quality).

Enter my looking into mirror less lines, and I discovered the NEX-5N both on line, and at a local Best Buy. I've read a lot of good things, seen a lot of great photos, and was even pretty impressed with performance, at least as much as I could tell in a store while playing with it.

My primary reasons for even keeping my DSLR are focus speed and shutter lag of any P&S. In playing with the 5N, it appears to handles both of these quite well for a fairly compact camera. I love the size, weight, looks and functions.

What I'm wondering, is how well this thing actually holds up to taking shots in real world scenarios, such as at Disney. I know it is not going to best my 60D in speed, but it seems as though it can handle itself quite well. Anyone have any input in regards to real world usage? Missing shots due to lack of focus speed, or shutter lag etc.? Are you a DSLR owner, who now that you have a 5N use it less and less?

I'm getting ready to buy from B&H, as they have a nice deal right now that includes a small bag, 16GB card, and $50 off the 55-210 lens if you buy it at the same time as the 5N kit with the 18-55 lens.

Positive or negative views or comments extremely welcome!
 
My primary reasons for even keeping my DSLR are focus speed and shutter lag of any P&S. In playing with the 5N, it appears to handles both of these quite well for a fairly compact camera. I love the size, weight, looks and functions.

Indeed it does. Generally, it will perform spiffily enough to not be of any notice for almost any standard shooting - the NEX-5N has an electronic first-curtain shutter so there is no lag - zero - when shooting - this was one of the main upgrades over the NEX-5 and NEX-3 originals that came before it. The focus in good light is practically identical to a DSLR...the only part that doesn't quite compete with DSLRs is in low light, where contrast-detect AF systems will be a bit slower to acquire, though usually with great accuracy when they do. The focus system doesn't have the advanced tracking capabilities of a DSLR either, so the NEX won't be quite as handy as a DSLR for those who shoot birds in flight or moving action shots and rely on the AF system to continuously track the movement of a subject through a scene. I'd venture a guess that few photographers will need such advanced capabilities, and most DSLR owners never shoot those types of subjects - so it depends on what you shoot and how often. Disney, travel, landscape, portrait, scenic, etc, the NEX should be able to keep up with a DSLR for most any user.

What I'm wondering, is how well this thing actually holds up to taking shots in real world scenarios, such as at Disney. I know it is not going to best my 60D in speed, but it seems as though it can handle itself quite well.

At Disney, I don't suspect you'd have any real challenges - the NEX should be capable of most any shot an APS-C DSLR would be. The one area I could see being a bit of an issue would be high-ISO dark rides - the sensor is easily up to the task, but the focus will be slower and harder to acquire...though switching to manual focus would solve that issue if you're handy with it, or switching to spot focus and finding the small highlight spots to focus on then recompose...you would work around the issues, but a DSLR would be a bit better in this regard just because the phase-detect AF system will acquire quickly and reliably even in very poor light.

Anyone have any input in regards to real world usage? Missing shots due to lack of focus speed, or shutter lag etc.? Are you a DSLR owner, who now that you have a 5N use it less and less?

I'm a DSLR owner, and I'd say the NEX cameras since I bought them have taken about 15-20% of my photography needs away from the DSLR. But I'm also in a special category, because I'm an avid bird and wildlife photographer, and a very large percentage of my shots are in that category. When traveling to Disney, on a cruise, or on vacation, I'd say the NEX has moved up to about 50% of my photography. I still shoot with both, mainly because I love my DSLR for the large lens collection, and especially for better handling of the long lenses...but the NEX size and convenience, along with the image quality, have definitely won it a secure spot as a second body alongside my DSLR even on wildlife shoots, and as a replacement for it when I want to travel small or light for the day. Missed shots? Rarely...I've even used the NEX for birds in flight and wildlife shooting which is not its forte, and can still pull off the shots - just not quite with the same hit rate. The DSLR is the better and easier tool for action and wildlife photography, but the NEX can still do the job with a little skill and extra effort. For nearly anything else, I consider the NEX pretty much an equal with a DSLR.

Downsides? It depends on the individual, but if I had to make a list of disadvantages or criticisms of the NEX-5N, I would point out the LCD-based shooting which can be an ergonomic nightmare and a little awkward for some types of subjects; the battery life, which definitely doesn't come close to the typical DSLR shot life; and the buffer size, which is too small for heavy burst shooting - the camera can do 10fps, but can only do it for a second or so before the buffer fills.

But there are some easy cures for some of those issues - I purchased the EVF attachment to use with my 5N, and I would be hard pressed to live without it. I just prefer the ergonomics and shooting style of having a viewfinder to my eye, the extra stability of that stance, and the better visibility in all lighting situations. And I even like the 'covertness' of it, since shooting in dark rides and such, I don't have to hold up a big glowing LCD for everyone on the ride to see.

As for the battery life - the easy cure is to get an extra battery. I can't say I've ever run out of battery life in a day of shooting - I can get 300-400 shots off one battery even running the EVF, so it hasn't been an issue. But at the end of a day of shooting and 350 shots, I might have 9-15% life remaining on the battery indicator. By comparison, my DSLR after 400-600 shots still shows 86% life. So the extra battery for me isn't because I'm likely to run out during a regular day of shooting, but for the peace-of-mind of knowing I could keep shooting if I DID run out.

I'm getting ready to buy from B&H, as they have a nice deal right now that includes a small bag, 16GB card, and $50 off the 55-210 lens if you buy it at the same time as the 5N kit with the 18-55 lens.

I love the 55-210mm lens - I use it often for wildlife and birds and it does surprisingly well, even shooting side by side with my DSLR and 300mm F4 APO lens. It needs good light, but is hard to beat for the money. You may find yourself curious to try some manual lenses down the road - it's one of the big selling points of the NEX system for enthusiast shooters...with simple spacer-adapters, you can use any manual camera lens ever made on the NEX - from any brand or mount...the registration gap on the NEX is smaller than that of nearly any other mount ever made, which makes adapting other mounts to the NEX a simple matter of adding a spacer ring to put the lens at the right registration distance. You'd be using aperture rings on the lens and focusing yourself, but it brings back a classic film rangefinder style feel to your shooting, and you can score some amazing old manual glass pretty cheaply.

Hope that helps!
 
Thanks Zackiedawg for the very insightful post! You are pretty much backing up what else I have read on the NX-5, and I'm thinking of probably ordering this week yet. (The deals they have are good for a few days).

I guess the only thing lingering in my mind is the possibility of an upcoming replacement\upgrade to it over the next few weeks. Then again, that always worries me, and sometimes I need to just learn and roll with it.

Thanks again!
 
Rotlex, if you like the Nex buy it! You won't be disappointed. The high ISO capabilities of the 5N are awesome. I had a T2i and can say that the 5N handles noise better. There are so many features in the Nex like Hand Held Twilight and Anti-Motion Blur which takes 6 photos in rapid succession and combines them to make a noise free image in dark situations. I've used this to take shots at night when I forgot my tripod.

I use the Nex 7 (sold my D5100) with the LA-EA2 adapter so focus speed is not a problem. The adapter turns the Nex into a DSLR as far as PDAF is concerned. The only issue I have run into is Buffer speed. I shoot RAW, and after about 5-6 shot bursts the buffer slows down. I don't own any E mount lenses(Nex mount). I shoot with the Sigma 17-50 f2.8 Alpha mount with the LA-EA2 adapter. I also shoot mostly with Legacy manual lenses. With the Nex, manual focusing is so much fun with focus peaking. It's a lot easier with the EFV. The view through my VF is so much larger than the one on my D5100. I also like that I can view the live histogram as I shoot on the LCD or the VF.

You should look at Justin's photos. The stuff he shows from the Nex 5N is phenomenal. The sensor in the Nex 5N is the same one that's in the D7000/K5. I'll post some of my Nex 7 shots.

Storm Clouds by Harry Shields, on Flickr


Building a Castle of Dreams by Harry Shields, on Flickr

Spinning Dumbo by Harry Shields, on Flickr

This is with a Fujian CCTV $25 lens

Partners by Harry Shields, on Flickr

This is the 5N with a Tamron 60 f2 macro(Nikon Mount).

Up Close and Personal by Harry Shields, on Flickr

You can use any lens out there. The only thing I think is missing is in body Stabilization. That would be perfect, almost.
 

Steve, I think the replacement(F5) will have a pop up flash and Wi-Fi. It will be bigger. If you can find a deal on the 5N, I say get it. You will have lots of fun with it. You'll probably never want to haul that 60D with you anymore. The Nex spoils you with size and weight.
 
Steve, I think the replacement(F5) will have a pop up flash and Wi-Fi. It will be bigger. If you can find a deal on the 5N, I say get it. You will have lots of fun with it. You'll probably never want to haul that 60D with you anymore. The Nex spoils you with size and weight.

This is what I have heard, and read, elsewhere as well! (Regarding using the dslr even less). Thanks for those pics by the way - very nice.

I actually can't believe I find myself leaving the DSLR at home so much anymore. Been lugging one around for just over 10 years now, and frankly, I think it is just wearing on me. The NEX looks to be about perfect in many ways for what I do now, and although I have only had "hands on time" in a local store, I must say, it just seems to be so much more portable than the 60D. We'll see I guess, as I'm just waiting on myself now to hit the proceed to checkout button on B&H. I hate to admit that the only thing really stopping me now is that thought of ordering, and having the next version hit the shelves next week or something, LOL. Then again, as I said before, you can never really stay ahead of tech these days.
 
I'm the same way, I always worry about what's next. It's a very expensive habit.
 
Long time DSLR owner here, who, frankly, has been using his Canon S95 P&S more and more due to being tired of the size and weight of my 60D. (Although I still use it when I'm looking for the best quality).

I was feeling the same way after my last WDW trip. I had my 60d 18-135 sigma 30 mm 1.4 and my 50mm 1.8 with me the whole trip. I got tired of hauling it around and found I didn't pull it out of the bag as much this trip .

When I got back I started looking in to high end p$s but found them too limiting . Stumbled on photos from another member here HPS3 and his photos at WDW with his sony nex 7n sold me on what the nex could do.

I personally went for the 5n over the 7n. The 5n has the same senor as the nikon d7000 which is a great sensor. I did not have the need to go to the 24 mega pixel senor of the 7n.

I can not tell you how the 5n will do at disney but I can tell in the two weeks I have had it .I have not had a need to pick up my 60d and the high iso pictures blow away the 60d. As far as focusing in the dark my 60d had trouble in the haunted mansion finding focus and for forget manual focus on the 60d . Manual focus on the nex is easy with focus peaking so if i had to manual focus in the dark rides it would not be an issue..

I love the size and weight took it to georgetown co last weekend and did even feel like i had a camera with me it was great .
 
Long time DSLR owner here, who, frankly, has been using his Canon S95 P&S more and more due to being tired of the size and weight of my 60D. (Although I still use it when I'm looking for the best quality).

Enter my looking into mirror less lines, and I discovered the NEX-5N both on line, and at a local Best Buy. I've read a lot of good things, seen a lot of great photos, and was even pretty impressed with performance, at least as much as I could tell in a store while playing with it.

My primary reasons for even keeping my DSLR are focus speed and shutter lag of any P&S. In playing with the 5N, it appears to handles both of these quite well for a fairly compact camera. I love the size, weight, looks and functions.

What I'm wondering, is how well this thing actually holds up to taking shots in real world scenarios, such as at Disney. I know it is not going to best my 60D in speed, but it seems as though it can handle itself quite well. Anyone have any input in regards to real world usage? Missing shots due to lack of focus speed, or shutter lag etc.? Are you a DSLR owner, who now that you have a 5N use it less and less?

I'm getting ready to buy from B&H, as they have a nice deal right now that includes a small bag, 16GB card, and $50 off the 55-210 lens if you buy it at the same time as the 5N kit with the 18-55 lens.

Positive or negative views or comments extremely welcome!

Have been looking at B and H and did not see the deal as of last night. Sold my D60, now selling my D5000 Kit so I can move into the Nex.

Jack
 
Alright Justin, don't make me look too bad! I can't keep up with your shots/techniques. I'm still a novice!

All kidding aside, Zackiedawg can show you what a Nex is capable of. I look up to him and his photos.

Thanks Macauser for that comment. I'm still at that learning/beginning stage. If I had a choice I would have the 5N 16mp sensor on my Nex 7. The only 2 reasons I bought the 7 was for the Hotshoe and the Tri-Navi controls. The controls on the 7 are awesome! I never go into the menu except for the shoot mode dial. I would much prefer the 5N's high ISO noise handling.
 
Have been looking at B and H and did not see the deal as of last night. Sold my D60, now selling my D5000 Kit so I can move into the Nex.

Jack

For reference, if you go to B&H, look for the 5N. There will be a link somewhere on the info page that says you can get the 55-210 for $50 off if bought together. Once you do that, there will be another window that opens, and a free accessory, amongst other things, tab. You have to kind of "hunt" for it though, but it is there. :)
 
Long time DSLR owner here, who, frankly, has been using his Canon S95 P&S more and more due to being tired of the size and weight of my 60D.

What I'm wondering, is how well this thing actually holds up to taking shots in real world scenarios, such as at Disney. I know it is not going to best my 60D in speed, but it seems as though it can handle itself quite well. Anyone have any input in regards to real world usage? Missing shots due to lack of focus speed, or shutter lag etc.? Are you a DSLR owner, who now that you have a 5N use it less and less?!

Although I bought into micro 4/3 instead of NEX my reasons were the same as yours, smaller and lighter. Most current mirrorless cameras can keep up with at least an entry level dSLR for focus speed and shutter lag. After 10 years of Canon dSLRs I don't think I miss any shots because of the mirrorless camera. I haven't used the Canons since going mirrorless, I think you will really like the NEX!

Here are some examples from our December 2011 trip:
http://suzieandbob.com/wdw/dec_2011/HTML/index.htm
 
Wanted to say thanks again all for the input. Between this site, and dpreview, I decided to order the 5N today from B&H. Total out the door was just over 1K for the camera, in black, with the kit lens, the 55-210 lens, an extra battery, and a free accessory kit that has a case, probably won't use, and a 16GB Sandisk card. Should be here tomorrow. I can hardly wait. :thumbsup2

Thanks again for the comments and photos!
 
Rotlex, congrats on ordering the 5N. It's an outstanding camera. Just remember to set your customizable buttons so that you don't have to go into the menu for everything. That's probably one of the largest complaints(the menu is a pain in the but at first). You're going to wonder how this little camera makes such wonderful photos. It's so light and comfortable that my Nex pretty much stays on a wrist strap. I have a BR strap that stays in my camera bag. I would've never used manual glass on my DSLR's, but find that they stay on my Nex 80% of the time.

Make sure you post some photos in the Sony/Mirrorless threads. I look forward to seeing them.
 
Right now I have the t2i and was planning on upgrading to the 4ti, but after seeing these pics, I'm rethinking this purchase.

I get so tired of lugging that huge camera around, but I always opt for it because it takes way better pics than my p&s. We are planning a trip to London next year and I'm thinking this might be better for me. Decisions, decisions!
 
Soon as I get my Nikon stuff sold I will be getting the nex-5n, with the 16mm and the 210 zoom, do not see a need for the kit lens at this time, but we will see.


Update: The nikon stuff sold now for a mild price drop before mid August and I am off and running.


Jack
 
Complete newbie - purchased the NEX5N and even a dummy gets lucky sometimes - some fabulous (to me) shots at Star Wars Weekend :cool1: We got lucky and somehow were right behind a Disney photographer and nabbed great character shots :banana::banana::banana: What this did was just add to my interest in this new hobby - I'm looking for courses / guides to start on the path to taking a decent picture.
 
The 5n, or any Nex for that matter, is a fantastic camera. I have been thinking about picking up a DSLR body but I can't see using it much. It's just so easy to grab the Nex and go. I look forward to seeing some photos from y'all.
 


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