Song of the South

Originally posted by Soupermom
Also, just curious...why did Disney make a major attraction out of such a controversial film?

I think they intended for the focus of the ride to be Brer' Rabbit and the other animals. As far as I know, Uncle Remus isn't even seen in the ride.

I don't understand why they can't just release a new version of the movie that will just feature the cartoon characters.

I'm sure no matter what they do, they won't be able to please everyone.
 
Originally posted by mikeymars
At the beginning of the film, Johnny’s father (a newspaperman) makes a little speech as the family rolls down the road to Aunt Tempy’s plantation. In it, it becomes clear he is a writer crusading for “racial tolerance and the New South,” and that he is taking his family to the plantation because his politics wouldn’t leave them safe in Atlanta. Yes, the speech is somewhat obscurely phrased (probably to avoid alienating the Southern audience circa 1946) but it isn’t hard to tell what Johnny's father means and where he is coming from – which is clearly a reconstruction viewpoint.
Interesting. I wasn't aware of this. Here are some excerpts from the script, which hint at such a backstory to the plantation visit:

Johnny: "MAMA?"
Sally: "YES JOHNNY?"
Johnny: "WHY ARE WE GOING TO GRANDMA'S?
Sally: "WELL -- I TOLD YOU DEAR, FOR A
VISIT."
...
Johnny: "IS GRANDMA MAD AT US?"
Sally: "BUT OF COURSE NOT JOHNNY! WHATEVER GAVE YOU THAT IDEA?"
Johnny: "WELL, GEORGIE SAYS EVERYBODY'S MAD AT WHAT DADDY WRITES IN THE NEWSPAPER."
Johnny o.s.: "DON'T GRANDMA READ THE NEWSPAPER? DON'T SHE?"
John: "SHE DOES! AND SHE LIKES WHAT'S IN IT!"
Sally: "JOHN, PLEASE!"
...
Doshy o.s.: "I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THE CLATTER YOU'VE RAISED IN ATLANTA, THUMPING FOR COTTON MILLS, RAILWAYS, AND...HEAVEN KNOWS WHAT."
...
John: "WELL? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL HER? HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND -- OR ARE YOU STILL GOING TO STAY?"
...
John: "BUT IT'S ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME. SHE'D BE ONLY TOO GLAD TO TAKE CARE OF JOHNNY."

http://songofthesouth.net/movie/script/
 
>>So, does anyone want to suggest where I could get a copy of this movie to play in an American VHS or DVD player?<<

Ebay is full of various copies:

http://search.ebay.com/Song-Of-the-South_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfromZR8

Most are legitmate official U.K. market VHS ones, but the PAL format they are in won't play on a U.S. market NTSC format VCR.

As a result, after you buy the video (in many cases, from a seller in the U.K.), you have to get a video firm to make a NTSC copy of the tape for you (which IS legal, the OWNER of a copywrited recording CAN make a single copy of the film for their personal use. And no, purchasing a copyrighted video from an INDIVIDUAL owner in a foreign country and having it shipped here for your PERSONAL use is NOT a so-called "illegal parallel import.") Beyond having to spend money on a PAL to NTSC transfer, the real downside of this approach is that because of the video transfer, the NTSC copy loses a lot clarity (ergo, the video quality is relatively poor).

The are also scores of "bootleg" NTSC DVDs (which will run on U.S. players), many now being imported from Tiawan and sold here by U.S. sellers. Most are direct copies of the Asian market laserdiscs, so the video and audio quality is excellent.

It appears Disney has advised eBay that these auctions are copyright infringement, but in response eBay isn't exactly slamming the doors on them. On any given day, dozens of auctions for these DVDs are up and running; eBay does occasionally close some down, but when that happens, the seller simply reposts the item under a different auction number/seller name within hours (a unending childish "cat and mouse" game). Or stated differently, despite stated policy, the sales of these black market copies are ongoing and continue (and have been for YEARS).
 
Has anyone ever heard of "The Berne Act"? A copying company stated this under their frequently ask questions about piracy...

"The section of American copyright law known as "The Berne Act" clearly states: films unreleased in the United States, including original version of films altered and/or edited for release in the United States, are not protected by American copyright; thus, they are considered public domain. The entire purpose of our company is to provide (otherwise unavailable) films to the serious video collector. We do not offer videos owned by American releasing companies. If a film should become available domestically, or if another seller should offer a better copy, we immediately stop offering it to our clients."

I e-mailed them with a few questions about SOTS and they told me that they made a master copy from a 2001 PAL video from the UK and they make DVDr copies. I don't know if it's true or not.
Is there a lawyer in the house?:scratchin
 

It's actually the Berne Convention, a treaty which the U.S. joined in 1988 regarding copyright protection across borders. I'm no expert in that area at all, but in any event Song of the South certainly was released in the U.S.---the fact that it has never been released in certain formats wouldn't matter.
 
Planecrazy, I can't confirm that what you were told by that website is accurate, but on this tangent, the website of one of the largest intellectual property law firms in the U.S. seems to paint a somewhat ambigious picture.

Specifically, there appears to be a critical "first sale" element involved in all of this. To violate U.S. copyright law, you have to be engaging in violating first sale rights (it is perfectly legal, as example, for me to sell you my used CDs of copyrighted music, because they are not new, I am not the first seller of them).

So, in regard to SOTS, the issue gets murky real fast, complicated by the fact Disney seems to want to have things both ways: burying the movie domestically since 1986, but selling home video versions in regions that apparently don't share our refined racial sensitivities (ergo, backward, unsophisticated countries like Britain, France, Germany, Holland, Japan and Korea) until 2001.

How murky? Well, as example, if an individual in Britain sells a previously retailed official U.K. Disney-released PAL copy of SOTS to someone in the U.S., is that a violation of Disney's first sale copyrights? Some legal experts would argue yes, since the tape is being sold for the first time in the U.S. Others would just as quickly say no, the previously retailed tape remains a previously retailed tape, it doesn't become a brand new wholesale item just because it crossed a border.

The whole discussion becomes additionally complicated if one goes off on the tangent of "if a copyright holder isn't even distributing an item in the U.S, how effectively can they pursue damages for copyright violation, given laws that presume projections of lost sales as the primary basis for remedy?"

Interestingly, all that legal ambiguity adds to the story here, e.g. being a potential additional explanation of why the black market SOTS sales haven't been more heavily targeted/litigated.
 
...
Johnny: "IS GRANDMA MAD AT US?"
Sally: "BUT OF COURSE NOT JOHNNY! WHATEVER GAVE YOU THAT IDEA?"
Johnny: "WELL, GEORGIE SAYS EVERYBODY'S MAD AT WHAT DADDY WRITES IN THE NEWSPAPER."
Johnny o.s.: "DON'T GRANDMA READ THE NEWSPAPER? DON'T SHE?"
...
[/B]

I cannot tell if there is anything about race or anything racial in that passage.

Disney hints:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/disney.htm
 
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I researched how I could legally get a copy of SOTS and was told by a recording company that they could only make a copy of an original sealed copy. I obtained a sealed PAL video of SOTS on ebay and was legally allowed to make only one copy, which I did. My DDs 9 and 11 watch it all the time!
 
Where is Scoop when we need him? This is right up his alley. I may be wrong, but I have seen many many debates about SOTS on the DIS, but I don't recall a definitive answer as to the purchasing end of it.

Mikeymars, you have made excellent point regarding the backstory of the characters in the movie, and how their actions and dialogue should be interpreted. Unfortunately, since we aren't allowed to purchase the movie from our local Disney store, and pop it into the tape ourselves, its still hard to see those nuances. Why is that important? Because the average movie goer will not have read the background information you cited, and I am curious to sit down with someone who doesn't know this, and see how they interpret the movie's setting and time frame juxtaposed with my own viewing knowing what you've told us.

Your great aunt has memories of deep hurt about Song of the South?

Is this funny?
 
Not intended to be funny. Tink44 had written:

I guess when my 90 year old great aunt shares her memories of deep hurt I should tell her that King Triton says she's too sensitive, get over it, we want to watch a movie.
My question is how would the release of SOTS be related to her great aunt's "memories of deep hurt"?
 
The answer, M. DB, relies upon supposition.

If it is not obvious that SOTS is based upon post-Civil War Reconstruction events, then one may be inclined to believe that the movie did not do enough to distance itself from evil ramifications of slavery.

Connect the dots from there.
 
For anyone who lives in the UK, Song of the South is being shown on BBC 2 at 11am this Thursday!

:cool:
 

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