Song of the South

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I am not sure if this has been posted on this board before, but I ran into something rather unusual at disneyvideos.com checking out DVDs, a page about Song of the South. It says it is unavailable (of course), but also has a form to email Disney if you want it on video or DVD. I though this may be of intrest of some of you on this board. Click here to go to it.
 
‘Song of the South’ has been very troublesome for Disney for a long, long time. Rumors are that a introduction by James Earl Jones was filmed several years ago to put the film in a historical perspective, but the release plans were scrapped when several large interest groups began making unfavorable noises. And with the recent problems Disney had with ‘Pearl Harbor’, it’s unlikely that they’ll even think about releasing ‘Song of the South’ in the United States ever again.

Disney is going back and altering a lot of animation. The uncontroversial release of the “corrected” ‘Make Mine Music’ where cowboys neither smoke nor carry guns was seen as a good sign by some at the studio. There hasn’t been much of a flap over the altered versions of programs in the “Walt Disney Treasure” DVD releases either, but those changes were made mostly to avoid royalty payments.

There are the whispers that some attempt to “correct” ‘Song of the South’ might be possible: Drop the live action sequences, redub the voices, alter the animation where necessary, perhaps shoot some other scenes, and definitely don’t call it ‘Song of the South’. It would be a lot of effort for a very uncertain end product and I really wouldn’t expect to see it. It’s probably more cost effective for Disney simply to lock this film in the vault and forget it was ever made.
 
Kinda hard to forget about it when we're reminded everytime we go on Splash Mountain...

I don't disagree with AV about what it looks like Disney will do, but I believe the film could be released successfully, though it must be done carefully.

The intro would be a good start. But what about an agreement to donate a portion of the proceeds to African-American groups like the United Negro College Fund? I'm pretty confident Disney could get the support of some prominent African-Americans before even announcing the release. The key would be to get their involvement and buy-in up front.

It would take some work, but it could be done successfully.
 
I'd love to see SoS released... I remember seeing SoS when I was little and I honestly don't remember every scene; but I remember the wonderful stories and music and a kind black gentleman. I thought it would be wonderful if everyone went around with his cheerful attitude. Of course, I saw it through the eyes of a child... ;)

I wouldn't want to see Disney start donating parts of proceeds in order to appease any group of people... that would surely open a huge can of worms.


Thanks for the link -- I will take a look. I think that SoS has a lot of "good" to offer and I wish more people could have access to it.
 

Thanks for the link ~ I've sent my request in. My son grew up watching the Disney Sing along that had the song featuring Uncle Remus on it. When he was about 3 he would call every older black gentleman with a beard Uncle Remus because he Loved Uncle Remus. Most of the men thought it was really cute, I think only one got offended. I don't remember much about the movie so I don't know what would be objectionable, but I think if people went and remade every movie that might have something that offended someone, no movies would ever be re-released. And example~ Gone with the Wind.
 
Disnee Dad Says...................................................... I have seen the film and would like to ask what is wrong with it?? Showing what really happened is good. I am half Japanese, and got mad that they tried to tone down Pearl Harbor, even making a special version for Japan. It's not like they sent flowers and chocolates before the attack. It was cold and ruthless and should not portraited in any other way. They could make the slaves in SOS more articulate, but the fact remains the hero of the movie is the Uncle Remus, who shows grace under fire, extreme patience under adverse conditions, and great wisdom, far more than the terrible white mother.
 
I found it on a United Kingdom website and the purchase would go like this: The UK tape will not work in US VCR's. But they will sell you the UK tape and make a copy of the UK tape that will work in US machines. You will get the UK tape (that you can't use) and a copy that you can. This satisfies the copyright laws.

As I remember, the cost for the two tapes was about $70. No, we didn't send for them but it is tempting. If anyone has newer info, please post it.

St. Louis Fan

PS - Leaving for WDW with the family is 5 days!!!:bounce:
 
Isn't it sad that in this era of political correctness, corporations have to be as careful about percieved racism as they do about actual racism. The line between actually harming someone and simply offending someone has been almost erased...
We all have the power to keep from harming someone but just about anything we say will offend someone.
 
Disnee Dad Says............................................... Hey,HorizonsFan, I am offended that you said "just about anything we say will offend someone." I thought about who that could offend and couldn't come up with anybody, so I am stepping up to the plate and am becoming the victim of your vicious attack!! LOL. You can buy SOS on ebay, and bring it to videographers that that can format it for US VCRs. We were able to borrow a UK copy from a fellow Disney fiend, and it cost us $20 to make a US copy, and I know many places are cheaper than that. I stand by my earlier post, and ask once again, what is wrong with this movie??
 
Most of the objections to ‘Song of the South’ deal with the live action segments. Many people believe these show a wildly inaccurate representation of slavery at the time – happy, carefree slaves and kind, caring owners. While it’s clear that the film makers were trying to depict an idealized and simplified background for the stories, these scenes are disturbing for many because they come off as nostalgic and seem to yearn for the “better times” of the past – while completely ignoring the evil that lay at the core of the story’s setting.

The film was first released immediately after the Second World War when many of the civil rights and societal changes brought on during the war years where trying to be reversed. A film whose basic premise was seen as “things weren’t so bad back then” – whether that was the intent of the movie or not – caused a reaction. And the reaction grew stronger during the film’s re-release in the 1960’s and the Civil Rights Movement. What was once seen as an “idealized” setting became viewed as a wrongfully romanticized portrait of the past, and then seen as a deliberate falsehood created to distort history.
 
My vote is in, too. Wish Disney would release this film. I don't think I've ever seen it in the theaters (I'm
26 and it's doubtful that it's been released since my birth, mainly because of what's been written on this
board) but I would really love to see it sometime. I think you'd have to watch this movie in the frame of
mind of the 1940's and the world at that time, not today's world. I do agree it probably is a 'sweetened'
version of what life was really like for slaves, but that's why this movie is a FANTASY. It is not biographical,
to my knowledge. If they can release Gone with the Wind w/Scarlett slapping a slave, what's so bad about this?
 
Originally posted by debbie fields
If they can release Gone with the Wind w/Scarlett slapping a slave, what's so bad about this?

I think that's exactly right. And besides this really is a children's movie, making things sunny for children is fine with me. They have enough time to learn about the real horrors in this world as they grow up.
 
I think they should release it also. I was lucky enough to come across a VCD copy of the Japanese Laserdisc version and we watched it earlier tonight (hmmm...good choice for MLK day?!? :) ). I think people who might have a problem with it need to grow up and realize that it's just a movie and doesn't reflect reality.
 
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SOTS was released to theatres in the US in the early 80's (1984, I think? I could be very wrong about this, I'm going off memory).

FWIW, SOTS is set during the reconstruction. The African American characters are share croppers, not slaves - there is a poor white family of share croppers as well. That said, it is clear that the rich white folks in the big house are in charge, and there is a tone of subjegation to it. For example, even though Uncle Remus is wise and kind, he is clearly scolded by the white folks and "knows his place." I think that the scenes of the "happy darkies" singing as they go out to the fields, and gathering at the big house to sing for the health of the poor sick white boy are insulting today even though they weren't seen as such at the time the movie was made. The matriarch of the big house definitely holds the power, and it isn't clear if the source of her power is money or her race. To me, these are the two elements that are clearly rascist (e.g., 1. the stereotypical 1940's view of the happy darkies, and 2. the inherent power that the white folks hold over the black folks). FWIW, I think that this film could be a good opportunity for parents to talk to their children about streotyping, about historical views of white-black relations (particularly in context of media portrayals of this), and about power in relationships between people of different races. There are other movies that directly and indirectly approach both of these subjects, and they are important subjects to tackle.

Unfortunately, the more I think about it though, I am glad that this film is not in release, because I am afraid that there are many parents who would see "nothing wrong with it" themselves and not bother having those important conversations, but would use it as a video baby sitter rather than a teaching opportunity. Even worse, I hate to think about those who believe in a revisionist glorified version of the history of the south, who would see this as a tool to teach their children how great things were before the yankees ruined everything. I think it was Roger Ebert who said something along the lines of "I wouldn't want to be the black kid in school the day after this was released." For Disney collectors, animation buffs, historians, and confederate glory nuts, this movie is readily available and relatively easy to get. It really doesn't bother me that it you have to jump through a couple of hoops to get it. Maybe someday we as a society will be ready to watch this movie with our children and talk about the subtle racism that prevades it and help them think about that, but unfortunately I don't think we are there. That is just my opinion of course. I hope I am being to cynical, and that actually the film could be released with an opening segment setting the tone and other background information included on the dvd.

DR

PS I edited this post to add this after thought - there isn't much in sots that is more stereotypical than the crows in Dumbo or the Indians in Peter Pan. I think that the Indians in Peter Pan are probably more offensive, with their sloped foreheads, and the song about "when the red man first said Ugh." Not to mention "we're off to fight the injuns." That thing is just full of stereotypes. Pocahontas shows us how our stereotype of native americans has changed over time, from the primitive teepee-dwelling, sqaw-slapping, uggh-saying injuns, to the almost mystical, spiritually in tune with nature, glorified noble savage.
 
I could make a long list of Hollywood movies offensive to women. But that doesn't seem to matter. :rolleyes:
IMHO we have reached the point where something is offensive to everyone.
 
I want to second Mr. D-R’s post, an insightful analysis of the issue with this particular film. There is no such thing as “just a movie” – all movies teach and children are very eager learners. Everything they are exposed to becomes part of their world because there is no difference between “make believe” and “reality on my TV” for them (or for most adults for that matter).

‘Song of the South’ crosses that that vague line between just being offensive and being deeply disturbing. Most of the political correctness in Hollywood deals with pushing one group’s agenda over another group’s. It is all to do with perceived power and the ability to extort money. And it would all be rather silly if the idiots in charge of the town and the universities didn’t use if for such harmful results.

‘Song’ however is not about politics or today’s buzzwords. It turns something that was evil at its core into something that is pleasant, light, and in its most troubling aspect – a way of life that seemed better than the one we lead today. In its own way, the film creates if own form of “political correctness” by intentionally distorting the past to hide the obvious.

There is a lot of lore that has been built up around this film within Disney. The actor that protruded Uncle Remus was supposed to have been the first live-action actor that Walt Disney had hired since the ‘Alice’ comedies in the 1920’s. The actor, James Baskett, also won a special Oscar for his work. But when ‘Song of the South’ premiered in Atlanta, he wasn’t able to attend. No one in town would rent him a hotel room because of his color.

The lessons of the past need to be remembered because they affect us today.
 
Unfortunately, the more I think about it though, I am glad that this film is not in release, because I am afraid that there are many parents who would see "nothing wrong with it" themselves and not bother having those important conversations, but would use it as a video baby sitter rather than a teaching opportunity
And how is that different from any other video. The movie is entertainment...it doesn't have to teach anything, send a message or even be polically correct. It's a classic Disney film which tells a good story and even has a great theme park attraction based on it. It should be released. What parents do with the film isn't anyones business except for the parents themselves.
Even worse, I hate to think about those who believe in a revisionist glorified version of the history of the south, who would see this as a tool to teach their children how great things were before the yankees ruined everything
...and it's Disney's job to prevent this from happening by not releasing one of their classic movies?
For Disney collectors, animation buffs, historians, and confederate glory nuts, this movie is readily available and relatively easy to get. It really doesn't bother me that it you have to jump through a couple of hoops to get it.
Fortunately the internet is making it even easier to get this film. It been recently posted in LD quality to alt.binaries.multimedia.vintage-film and alt.binaries.vcd and probably isn't too tough to come across using a peer-to-peer client like Morpheus.
 
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