Something old, something new... (gear, that is!)

Groucho

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I mentioned in one or two other threads that I traveled for a cousin's wedding a couple weekends ago... well, what better way to celebrate than by acquiring some old and something new myself? :thumbsup2 (Sorry, nothing borrowed or blue!)

I'd been kind of hoping to pick up a 300mm F4 before my next WDW trip... the current DA* lens is a bit out of my price range but the early ones are also highly regarded. Then I saw this one on eBay, a bit older than I was planning (being not an SMC or even a Super Takumar)...

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A little older, a little heavier (that pic is at max length with the built-in hood extended, but it's no pancake lens under any circumstance!)... but there are 18 reasons why I could not resist grabbing this one!

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That is like camera porn to me - I looooove a lot of aperture blades. :teeth: You want a round opening, there ya are!

Here's the first shot I took, with it mounted on my K20D, at my son's swim lesson. Not too bad IMHO for a handheld shot at 450mm equivalent at 1/100th.

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I will say - focusing such a beast just right is tricky! Your DoF is pretty small, and you do need to hold it very steady.

Here's another shot... you can see how it is missing the rubber for the aperture ring, which is at the front of the lens. Other than that, it's in very nice shape.

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Now for the new... notice anything different about the camera it's attached to in that shot? Here's another view.

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:cool1: I bought myself a K-7! The prices had dropped a tiny bit, close enough where I decided to go ahead and pull the trigger. I'm glad I did - because this baby is simply awesome. I recently read DPReview's review of it, and while it was certainly a glowing review, it was typical DPReview in that it was overly technical, had a few errors, and totally missed some of the cool stuff about it, especially my first two observations:

It is really fast and it is really quiet! The shutter blackout is extremely quick; I haven't seen actual numbers but it has been called the fastest in its class, and I can certainly believe that. The entire camera is amazingly quick and responsive. And the sound! It sounds totally unlike most DSLRs, with a very quiet shhk-shhk sound instead of the usual clack-clack. While I was shooting during the wedding, it was like a whisper next to the racket of the D3 shutters going off nearby. People standing nearby won't even know that you're taking a photo.

There's a ton of other cool things, too:
The electronic level is great and works in portrait mode, too; that along with the automatic horizon leveling means that I have had no problem getting perfectly straight horizons.
The dust removal is now a quick and quiet piezo-ceramic element, as opposed to the K20D's relatively loud and violent sensor-shake.
The video capability worked wonderfully, I was able to take some F1.2 movies at the wedding with really nice quality. I plugged in a cheap external mike and my son had a great time singing into it while I took video.
The high-rez 3" screen is great, but pretty much par for the course now.
It is surprisingly small and light - I didn't notice as much but after almost 1k shots already, when I picked up the K20D for some of these shots, the extra weight was immediately obvious. The smaller size means that I might need to pick up a battery grip for my big hands, though.
The focus is once again improved a good bit over the K20D and by most indications is pretty much on-par with the competition - possibly a tiny bit slower in very low light but clearly more consistent at getting it right.
The 77-point metering works extremely well; for much of the time, I haven't even tried to use center-weighted or spot.
The new white balance is very effective in tough light (and again, typical DPReview - they're complained for years about poor AWB performance and this one gets it right and they hardly pay any mind.)
The metal body feels even more sturdy than the already-very-tough K20D.

That being said, nothing is ever perfect...
I miss that they got rid of the dedicated bracketing button of the K20D, meaning that it's a couple extra button-pressed. Nothing major but would still prefer a dedicated button - on the other hand, we do get a dedicated ISO button and the 4-way controller gives direct access to options, rather than pressing Fn first. (You also get very nice in-camera HDR if you want to output a jpg.)
The Live View mode is really very effective now but zooming in and out requires hitting the Info button to go between about 4-5 levels of zoom. Not horrible but it feels a little clunky. Actually, there may be another way; I'll have to check the manual. (One of my other annoyances was quickly remedied as soon as I realized that I could turn off the "status screen" that was showing my settings on the rear LCD after every shot!)
ISO performance seems to be about the same as the K20D, maybe even a tiny bit worse... but I do have noise reduction completely off, and it is quite film-like. It's also more consistent; I occasionally got more noise at the top and bottom of the frame in certain circumstances with the K20D; no sign of that here.
Finally, there's the trick of learning a few new button placements... not such a big hassle and I've got most of them down now. I should be all set for January!

All in all - it's really an amazing, no-excuses DSLR, which has many uniquely appealing elements and can really stand toe-to-toe with any APS-sensor DSLR out there. Yes, I am very happy!

Now, that's two things off my "to get before next trip" list... now on to the R-Strap! Oh, and since this had a wedding-related title, here's one of my shots from the wedding.

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I knew it just reading the tag line!!! Congrats on the new camera. It is funny to me that you used to have the lesser ist*DL compared to my K100D. Now you have made three upgrades I believe and I still have my K100D :lmao: I am waiting to see if anything comes out between the K-x and K-7 and also waiting to see if Samsung does anything interesting, but I am wanting to upgrade. Just waiting to see what will fit the budget. FYI for you... teenagers are expensive!!!!!!! and pre-teens are not much better! :scared1: At least my other hobby, bodybuilding, only costs me about $15/month. :confused3
 
Congrats Groucho! I saw the title and thought - a lens and the Black Rapid strap. Just a little difference!!!

I'd love to have the electronic level from the K-7. Even when I pay close attention I get off level - usually in portrait. :headache: I've even started thinking about a VG but don't really want the added weight and bulk. That feature (and many other things on the camera) sound terrific.

Have fun with the new gear!!! :thumbsup2
 
Cool aquisitions, congrats! :goodvibes

My FIL picked me up an old SLR and zoom lens the other day for $2 at a yard sale. :lmao: I have no idea what kind of camera it even is, but it was sweet of him, he thought maybe I could use it, lol.
 

I knew it just reading the tag line!!! Congrats on the new camera. It is funny to me that you used to have the lesser ist*DL compared to my K100D. Now you have made three upgrades I believe and I still have my K100D :lmao: I am waiting to see if anything comes out between the K-x and K-7 and also waiting to see if Samsung does anything interesting, but I am wanting to upgrade. Just waiting to see what will fit the budget. FYI for you... teenagers are expensive!!!!!!! and pre-teens are not much better! :scared1: At least my other hobby, bodybuilding, only costs me about $15/month. :confused3
I have a few more years before the kids are teenagers. :) The K20D is going up for sale; I think that the Katz-Eye screen should help it get a pretty good price. (I need to decide if I'm going to put one in the K-7... probably will but have to let the wallet cool off first!) My wife is still using our K100D occasionally; we will probably pick up a colored K-x for her in the future. (The high ISO performance of the K-x is apparently really impressive, maybe the best yet seen from an APS camera... so maybe I'll have to borrow hers when doing dark ride shots. ;) )

I would assume that there will be another model between the K-x and the K-7... K-5 maybe? :confused3 They're pushed all-weather ability hard enough that they've got to have a cheaper weathersealed camera to go with the weathersealed kit lens and 50-200. I would imagine something maybe a tiny bit smaller than the K100D with similar buttons but a bigger screen (hopefully 3"), the K-x sensor, and similar abilities to the K-7. Time will tell - they're on a roll with the K-7 and K-x, let's hope they keep it up.

As for Samsung... they are such a wildcard, who knows? They definitely have an EVIL in the works and quite possibly a homegrown DSLR, which would surely have interesting features and would have to use the K-mount to keep with their older DSLRs. Rumors are they'll have some unique lenses, too, like maybe a new 85mm F1.4.
 
Congrats on the K-7 and the lens! I am jealous.

I was in Vermont on Monday and Tuesday for business and I took my camera, but where I was (Burlington) the leaves were all mostly still green!:mad:

I am looking forward to hearing many first hand comments on the K-7. I have been wanting to upgrade my K200D, but have been reluctant to pull the trigger due to the varied reviews out in cyberspace. It will be good to have your input.

Love the lens!
 
I'd love to have the electronic level from the K-7. Even when I pay close attention I get off level - usually in portrait. :headache: I've even started thinking about a VG but don't really want the added weight and bulk. That feature (and many other things on the camera) sound terrific.
What's a VG?

And it is very cool, I ignore it for many shots as I'm often shooting off-kilter a little, but when I do want a level horizon, it's extremely handy. It's also shown on the LCD, as well as the rear LCD if using liveview.

Cool aquisitions, congrats! :goodvibes

My FIL picked me up an old SLR and zoom lens the other day for $2 at a yard sale. :lmao: I have no idea what kind of camera it even is, but it was sweet of him, he thought maybe I could use it, lol.
$2? That's a deal any way you slice it! It's worth it just for a shelf decoration.

I am looking forward to hearing many first hand comments on the K-7. I have been wanting to upgrade my K200D, but have been reluctant to pull the trigger due to the varied reviews out in cyberspace. It will be good to have your input.
What are the varied reviews? I haven't seen anything really negative, except maybe that the high-ISO performance is not much improved over the K20D. Most reviews seem to be very, very positive. I can certainly tell you first-hand that it is amazing - really a fantastic little camera and has been churning out really nice shots very consistently. It will be interesting to see if the "big boys" explore the high-end-but-compact niche in the future. (Check the DPReview review to see the relative size of the competition vs the K-7 - what are they doing with all that extra space?)
 
VG - my abbreviation for vertical grip. The reason I think that might help is I almost always seem to get a tilt down towards my shutter release. More concentration is required or maybe I need to tilt it up when I'm composing and I'll get it level when I press the shutter! :lmao:
 
Very cool. I love the 18 blade aperture.

Michael Reichmann did a review of the K7 on his Luminous Landscape site recently.
Thanks for the heads-up - but sigh, another reviewer who is posting a review when he really doesn't understand how to use the camera. (There are a number of points made that are just not accurate or could be changed if he bothered to look at the manual.) And it's a bit sloppy - the features lists both "sensor shake reduction works with all lenses" and "in-body Shake Reduction works with all lenses" - wow, both of those features? :lmao: He apparently has some misguided notion that you have to use the wheels to navigate the menus, too? :confused3 There are also grammatical errors here and there... really, that's the kind of review I expect to see on a computer/tech site, not LL. If that's the most negative review I ever see of it (and it is, so far), then I won't lose too much sleep over it. Suffice to say, I disagree with almost the whole thing. :teeth:

Back on topic though, I am really looking forward to getting a chance to try out the 300mm in a situation where I can really get some good bokeh out of it... unfortunately I just hadn't had a good opportunity yet. I do plan to haul it down to Florida, though I'm not sure how many days I'll bring it into the parks...
 
What are the varied reviews? I haven't seen anything really negative, except maybe that the high-ISO performance is not much improved over the K20D. Most reviews seem to be very, very positive. I can certainly tell you first-hand that it is amazing - really a fantastic little camera and has been churning out really nice shots very consistently. It will be interesting to see if the "big boys" explore the high-end-but-compact niche in the future. (Check the DPReview review to see the relative size of the competition vs the K-7 - what are they doing with all that extra space?)

Primarily the high ISO performance is where I was hearing some grumbling. That is the one feature I really would like to improve over my K200. The K200 is great little camera and it has been a great way for me to get back into photography. However, I really would like something better in low light. I am not looking for ISO 25,600, but it would be nice to be able to shoot 1,600-6,400 with fairly good noise performance! Other than that, the reviews have been mostly positive of the K-7. I actually like a bigger, heavier camera. I have pretty good sized paws and I find the extra weight helps me steady the camera. I would definitely need to get the grip.

I bet those 18 blades are going to make for some really silky shots! Great find!
 
Primarily the high ISO performance is where I was hearing some grumbling. That is the one feature I really would like to improve over my K200. The K200 is great little camera and it has been a great way for me to get back into photography. However, I really would like something better in low light. I am not looking for ISO 25,600, but it would be nice to be able to shoot 1,600-6,400 with fairly good noise performance! Other than that, the reviews have been mostly positive of the K-7. I actually like a bigger, heavier camera. I have pretty good sized paws and I find the extra weight helps me steady the camera. I would definitely need to get the grip.
Yeah, I may need the grip - I realized that I had not been holding my K20D in exactly the "correct" way (especially after using my cheapie hand strip, which I have abandoned for now), and the K-7, being smaller, is not as forgiving of such sloppy holding. :) I doubt I'll get the battery grip right away, but one of these days...

As for ISO, well, it's pretty much on par with most APS-sensor DSLRs, it's just not seriously improved over the K20D. I think it also, out of the box, does less in-camera NR than most other DSLRs, so your image is noisier but also not smeared with NR artifacts.

If you really want better ISO, it sounds like the K-x might be the way to go... I haven't heard for sure who makes its 12.4mp sensor but I've heard someone say Sony - but I don't think it's the same one as in the D300/A700. It goes to 12,800 ISO instead of 6,400 and early reports are that it is cleaner; quite possibly the least noisy APS-sensor DSLR yet (but I'll wait for more reports before deciding for sure.)
 
If you really want better ISO, it sounds like the K-x might be the way to go... I haven't heard for sure who makes its 12.4mp sensor but I've heard someone say Sony - but I don't think it's the same one as in the D300/A700. It goes to 12,800 ISO instead of 6,400 and early reports are that it is cleaner; quite possibly the least noisy APS-sensor DSLR yet (but I'll wait for more reports before deciding for sure.)

The new Sony A500/550's are getting very good preliminary reports so I wonder if it could be something along that line if it is manufactured by Sony?

Atta boy. :thumbsup2 :rotfl2:

Agreed!!! I wonder if he can be convinced to disregard a couple other reviews I've seen mentioned?! ;) (Specifically the A850 - not worse noise than most aps sensors. Not that anyone could tell from the reviews of course. :sad2:).
 
The new Sony A500/550's are getting very good preliminary reports so I wonder if it could be something along that line if it is manufactured by Sony?
Quite possible; there have been many rumors about Samsung and Pentax not being as cozy as they were before Hoya bought 'em, and that the 14.6 might be the only Samsung sensor. :confused3 I saw you mention the A550 in another thread and I was initially thinking fairly dismissive thoughts as their 14mp CCD sensor was pretty lousy noise-wise but apparently it's a new CMOS one so maybe it'll be better.

Agreed!!! I wonder if he can be convinced to disregard a couple other reviews I've seen mentioned?! ;) (Specifically the A850 - not worse noise than most aps sensors. Not that anyone could tell from the reviews of course. :sad2:).
Well c'mon, this guy really didn't know what he was talking about from a technical point of view. Look at the vast majority of K-7 reviews out there and they don't agree with him, either. :teeth: I would say that it's much, much more than what that guy seems to think it is, which is good but unremarkable.

Really though - when was the last time you heard of a bad DSLR? Even the lowliest DSLR is generally going to be capable of better photos than the vast majority of photographers will ever need to get out of it. If you're comfortable with the ergonomics and controls and content with the lens selection available to you, chances are that you'll be happy. Many of us chose our DSLR manufacturer for a reason. There are so many things that I really enjoy about shooting with Pentax DSLRs that I would lose going to another brand that I'm OK if something else has slightly better high ISO performance or slightly faster FPS ratings (which I've never been all that concerned about.) Hyperprogram alone is enough to make me very happy with the choices I've made - and more than ever before, as I said in my first message, the K-7 truly is a "no excuses" camera; strongly competitive with its competition in all areas (at least, all that I can think of and all that matters to me.)
 
Really though - when was the last time you heard of a bad DSLR? Even the lowliest DSLR is generally going to be capable of better photos than the vast majority of photographers will ever need to get out of it. If you're comfortable with the ergonomics and controls and content with the lens selection available to you, chances are that you'll be happy. Many of us chose our DSLR manufacturer for a reason. There are so many things that I really enjoy about shooting with Pentax DSLRs that I would lose going to another brand that I'm OK if something else has slightly better high ISO performance or slightly faster FPS ratings (which I've never been all that concerned about.) Hyperprogram alone is enough to make me very happy with the choices I've made - and more than ever before, as I said in my first message, the K-7 truly is a "no excuses" camera; strongly competitive with its competition in all areas (at least, all that I can think of and all that matters to me.)

And that's why I think one of the most important things for a buyer is to handle the camera's and select something that works for you. It's possible to have certain criteria that rules out a DSLR or moves one higher up on your list but it's a pretty nice time to be shopping for a camera for sure!

Still, since reviews came up here (and Linda's reply prompted me! ;)) I just commented that I think that you think that the noise of the A850 is much worse than it actually is. I saw one thread where you said it might not be good for Disney b/c of it's limited ISO and then in another one about it being worse than many APS-C sensors. Reviewers trash it and the a900 for noise but it's the comparisons that are important and I think are poorly stated. Up against the newest full frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, or camera's that cost 4-5 times as much it's toward the bottom for high ISO but has other pluses - similar I think to what you've stated about the K-7. Real world users think the A850 is a stop or so better than the A700 v.4 which is often compared to the D300. In this case I think the reviews are technically correct but give a much worse impression than what a user can achieve with the camera.

What does this have to do with your new gear? Not much more than that the LL review made me think of how reviews, even if they are technical (and I didn't think that the LL one was particularly) can still be very subjective and that user's who really know their camera's will probably exceed the reviewed capabilities of the gear. And I related to your reaction to the review from how I often feel about the Sony ones. Heaven knows I can't respond with the technical expertise you can but the K-7 review and A850/A900 reviews seemed to relate - at least to me.
 
Congrats on the K-7 and the 300mm! I expect to see some great things from that combo ;)

I could seriously use an in-camera leveler (or a head straightener).
 
Still, since reviews came up here (and Linda's reply prompted me! ;)) I just commented that I think that you think that the noise of the A850 is much worse than it actually is. I saw one thread where you said it might not be good for Disney b/c of it's limited ISO and then in another one about it being worse than many APS-C sensors. Reviewers trash it and the a900 for noise but it's the comparisons that are important and I think are poorly stated. Up against the newest full frame offerings from Nikon and Canon, or camera's that cost 4-5 times as much it's toward the bottom for high ISO but has other pluses - similar I think to what you've stated about the K-7. Real world users think the A850 is a stop or so better than the A700 v.4 which is often compared to the D300. In this case I think the reviews are technically correct but give a much worse impression than what a user can achieve with the camera.
I think I might have brought it up once as an example that FF doesn't necessarily mean lower noise - it's more about the pixel density. (You can argue that the extra pixels make it easier to hide noise, but I think you will still see the higher noise levels on resizing.) As for cost, the D700 is the problem - being available for not much more than the A850 and less than the A900. I think the A850/A900 would be more exciting if they were sporting 12-16mp for lower noise rather than 24.5mp.

What does this have to do with your new gear? Not much more than that the LL review made me think of how reviews, even if they are technical (and I didn't think that the LL one was particularly) can still be very subjective and that user's who really know their camera's will probably exceed the reviewed capabilities of the gear. And I related to your reaction to the review from how I often feel about the Sony ones. Heaven knows I can't respond with the technical expertise you can but the K-7 review and A850/A900 reviews seemed to relate - at least to me.
I understand what you're saying... though this particular K-7 review was very un-technical, whereas the A850/A900 reviews are probably overly technical. IMHO a really good review has to strike a balance between the tech side (noise levels, AF speed, etc) with the non-tech (ergonomics, etc.) For example, I think the Imaging Resource K-7 review strikes a pretty nice balance. I still think there's a couple minor technical errors but overall, I think it takes both sides into consideration. DPReview still goes way to the techy side (and still places a high importance on jpg images, which seems a bit silly with a camera at this level), but even they give it a very good review. (Hence my "no excuses" line - Pentax has always always done very well in the handling department, so it's nice to see their tech getting recognized, too.)

Congrats on the K-7 and the 300mm! I expect to see some great things from that combo ;)
Thanks Todd! I'll try my best. :) Gotta get in lots of practice before the next trip...
 

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