Someone just knocked on the door and I am livid!!!!

[SC Minnie]

I wasn't going to post on this but....

The main thing that I read about the OP situation was she said she had her property posted 'No trespassing. No soliciting'. To me that means do not come on my property unless you are invited or known to the people living there. Period.

Knocking then going to another door when you get no answer is unacceptable. If it was a neighbor or a friend it is a totally different situation. Total strangers, no matter if the are there to talk about their religion, coming to another door is pushing to boundaries to me.

We have a front door that has a walk going to it. I have been home and someone selling something has walked into the garage and around the cars to knock on that door the garage door. Scared me half to death. I was always taught to use the front door unless it was someone you already knew.

 

[Mskanga]

First of all religion had nothing to do with anything here and as a matter of fact I had not mentioned the religion until someone else here did, so implying that I have animosity toward the religion is totally wrong. Had it been mormons, christians or sales people doing the same thing my reaction would not change one bit.
My children and my dog play in the backyard every single day , they do not need to be freaked out by someone coming into the property much less the backyard that they do not know. I should not have to wait until someone tries to get into my house to protect myself and my family after someone trespasses for no valid reason. I do not trust ANYONE I don't know , and I don't want ANYONE I do not know or invite on my property .
I do not go around threatening people for the heck of it, but when you are at my door and even worse at my back door like in this case , you are threatening me first, as such I will react.
I feel sorry for those who bring children into all of this because I understand that some children have no choice in the matter , but the adults they go with should use common sense, if they don't and something happens ( and I am not saying it should in any way ) then they should deal with the consequences of their actions. The unfortunate situation here is that the innocent may be the victims here.
And a fence is not an option here, our community does not allow them, which is something I may very well start fighting now but it's a shame that I may have to do that because of some people's practices.

 

[sweet angel]

Mskanga, don't let some people get you all on the defensive. You were totally right in this situation!

 

[gometros]

Originally posted by GeekChic
these people believe they are doing their god given duty. even though i don't share the beliefs, i do still see them as people, and if they come to my door, i simply don't answer. but i wouldn't threaten with a gun, a dog, or any other dangerous weapon just because i don't want to answer the door!

BINGO! And there's the crux of the problem. What makes their god any better than my god or your god? A young palestinian blows himself up in Gaza, thinking he is doing his god's given duty. Extreme example, yes, but where do you draw the line? Many of histories problems rose from one religion imposing its beliefs on another. When does doing gods duty start taking precendecne over the law of the land? If these people can justify what they are doing is, in fact, gods duty, than they can justify doing anything in the name of their god.

 

[Mskanga]

Originally posted by sweet angel
Mskanga, don't let some people get you all on the defensive. You were totally right in this situation!

Don't worry about that , it takes a lot more than that to get to me.

 

[crazymomof4]

I really didn't want to debate any of our religious beliefs here but I cannot allow all of the readers of this thread to be misinformed. I am sure if I, as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, posted something about the beliefs of Catholics, Protestants, Athiests, etc., that was completly inaccurate there would be PLENTY of replies correcting me. So that is what I want to do here, not debate, just correct an inaccuracy.

Originally posted by Goobergal99
I personally witnessed how destructive their beliefs were in the hospital when a young man needed a blood transfusion or he would die and his parents would not allow the transfusion because it was " not the lords plan for him"

By placing the last phrase in quotes it leads the reader to believe that it is a direct quote from the JW parent. I'm sure the JW did not say that because our refusal to accept blood transfusions has NOTHING to do with "the lords plan". It is actually a decision solidly based on scriptural principle. I won't go into it here but if anyone is really interested just ask a JW and they can explain it in detail. Another reason that I know the JW parent did not say that is the fact that we do not refer to God simply as "the lord" and the phrase, "the lord's plan" is not one that is ever used since it hints at the belief in fate, which we do not follow. Another point to be considered is that if we were inclined to simply allow "the lord's plan" to be carried out in medical situations, then why would we seek medical care in the first place and readily accept all forms of blood substitutes available?

There are SO many inaccuracies about JW's floating around out there. Please, if you want to get the truth, get it "from the horse's mouth". To find out what JW's believe, don't take the word of a person of a different religion!

BTW- I'll repeat what I said in a previous post- Going to the back door was wrong! I'd have been upset too. But this was the EXCEPTION rather that the rule. Most JW's know better than to do that. (notice no one else here complained of the backdoor thing happening to them?)

 

[ginna74]

But this was the EXCEPTION rather that the rule. Most JW's know better than to do that. (notice no one else here complained of the backdoor thing happening to them?)

that is why I think people feel it is ok to bring violence into it. Sad I know. Going to a back door was not right but OVER REACTING seemed to be a little worse in my opinion. It was not justified. Ya know when I have heard of treaspassing before I have never heard of owners sicking dogs and threatening death on them. They phoned the police and they were arrested. That was in a store but it was still tresspassing. JW are very annoying and can be down right wierd. If you think it was a burgler or someone out to get you I would be doing whatever to get the person to stop attacking your family but once you know it is ONLY a person trying to shove religion down your throat and you still react with violence... well... that is on you... heck there have been quite a few LAWSUITS yes LAWSUITS from even people stealing from property that were harmed and judges have rulled in their favor. Just think about it...


YES DEAR... MOMMY HURT A MAN A LONG TIME AGO.... WHY MOMMY? HE TRIED TO PUSH HIS RELIGION ON ME AND OUR FAMILY.... SO YOU YOU HURT HIM MOMMY? YES I WAS SCARED HE MIGHT HURT US...HURT US MOMMY? I COULDN'T TAKE THE CHANCE... SO YOU KILLED HIM MOMMY? THAT IS IT FOR NOW DEAR.... UNTIL NEXT TIME...

GUARD!!!

 

[totalia]

Fences don't work in this town. They enter anyway. I once asked why they do that. The reply (Can't remember if it was a JW or Mormon that I asked but probably a mormon) was "We have to take some risks to enlighten people of the truth".

As for violence towards them. I don't get violent and I get angry. I won't be polite when they are starting to box me in on the street. Frankly I won't be polite anyway. There's a reason those signs are around my house. Because I don't want people like them at my door.

Whatever your selling, I'm not buying.

 

[Goobergal99]

To be honest, I really don't care what your beliefs are. I don't want to hear about them, be preached to nor be solicited in anyway. You believe what you want and I will believe as I want. I think JW's are practicing a dangerously radical religion and thats all I want to say about it any further.

Having grown up in a NON practicing catholic family and attending catholic school for 13 years of my education, I can easily say that some catholics believe incredibly too devoutly as well. Therefore I can see why the original poster was livid about being solicited and had a right to come and vent on the boards.

I really fail to see the difference between their efforts to convert her and her family and David Karesh and his crazy branch davidians, except that even highly radical religions are legal if all of the members aren't living in a compound like members of a cult.
It's absurb to me the way in which religious beliefs infringe on our lives of citizens of a supossedly free nation.

"keep thy religion to thy self" --- George Carlin
(The comedic voice of reason)

 

[ginna74]

being angry about a soliciter is one thing.... threatening violence is another. CAll the police do whatever, threatening violence will only get you put away and won't make the soliciter stop in any way.

I read where someone was saying that a lady was raped and such. WELL don't ever let a stranger in your house.. NEVER... a religious solicitor MIGHT get a talking too by the police but YOU will be put away for making terroristic threats and such. No judge will say knocking on you door is an eccuse to hurt or even threaten someone. like I said we all (or most) don't like them and I myself have been angry. But when you go out of line and threaten someones life or well being you just might be put away yourself

 

[sha_lyn]

Originally posted by ginna74
but YOU will be put away for making terroristic threats and such. No judge will say knocking on you door is an eccuse to hurt or even threaten someone.

I doubt any judge would lock someone up for threatening someone who illegally tresspassed on posted property. If they did they needto be removed from the bench.

 

[ginna74]

it happens and rightfully so. threatening someones life for someone knocking on your door is illegal and wrong. now if you are going to open up your door and start a confrontation then all bets are off. call the police...just because there is a sign on your property doesn't not give you the right to take the law in your own hands. It just helps the police do there job now I have seen people actually be charged with terroristic threats because they threaten the life of another (ok I read that part of the paper lots lol). THERE is NEVER an accuse to do that. Defending your life and those on your property is one thing. But to do this to a person going door to door trying to spread their religion??? I don't think any jude would say "hey he knocked on your door so all bets are off... have at it!" or "I understand you were defending your household when you hurt these young people that KNOCKED on your door" GEESH if that were the case boy there would be no mormons left! I mean come on...NO.. JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE KNOCKED ON YOUR DOOR THAT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO THREATEN OR HURT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. And at least around here the only way you can get out of hurting someone is if you are defending yourself, your family, or your property. and the last one doesn't come into to play nowadays but it is in the law. And there will be no way to prove that just becuase someone was at your door they are going to hurt you. I would be scared to though funny thing... and I would have called the police.. THREATENING SOME ONE BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY MIGHT HURT YOU? no judge would give you a go card to break the law. We all know that just because we may get scared that gives us the authority and right to threaten someones life and scared because someone knocked on your door? that will hold up in court. Yes there is the sign and they would get in trouble, but you have no right to threaten someone because you are scared, because they knocked?

boy that just gets me lol sorry but if I had the right to hurt or threaten because I got scared... there would be many dead people by now... and only half the earth I would guess

 

[totalia]

Your acting like people are threatening to shoot the solicitors with a gun when they knock on the door. No one is that insane.

I just threaten to have them arrested if they trespass on my property again. THAT is something that I WILL do and isn't harming them in the least other than knowing they might get a hefty fine or go to jail for trespassing.

Your right, no judge is going to say its ok to do something like shoot a person just because they knocked on the door. But you can also bet that if you tell someone not to come back on your property when you have signs posted everywhere, and they DO anyway, the judge will be on the homeowners side.

 

[ginna74]

But you can also bet that if you tell someone not to come back on your property when you have signs posted everywhere, and they DO anyway, the judge will be on the homeowners side.

yes you are right about the jusdge being on the homeowner's side for a tresspasser, maybe not for the homeowner getting into a confrontation. They will go to jail maybe or at least get a fine blah blah blah. Call the police is the right thing to do. getting into a confrontation and saying you are going to hurt someone or doing it is illegal. I was talking about threatening someones life. And I was under the impression that people might think it is ok to do that just because there are no tresspassing signs up. No it isn't ok to threaten someones life just because a door was knocked on lol. That is all I was trying to say.

there are signs posted before you go into a store saying stealing is a crime and will prosicute all.

ok a person gets got stealing.... does the security come after them with a rifle (ok the ones who are not fighting capture) and shoot them in the leg because they stole something? do they have k nine dogs ready to attack the old man who couldn't afford food? no, they take him to jail and let him plead his case in court. hey the sign said no shoplifting so all shoplifters should die!!! THERE WAS THE SIGN... my point is having a sign on your property does not give you the right to do ANYTHING illegal. It is only there to deture treasspassers and is a good tool in prosicting those who break it.

WAIT A MINUTE....

I forgot to read the small print.

all those who break said no tresspassing on my property sign will be subject to threats on life with dog, guns, or whatever I happen to have in my possesion.

I will not be subject to any jail time because I said so and I do have a sign so I can do whatever I want.



ok all that asside call the police if someone goes on your property that shouldn't be. Get mad. Get upset. And make sure they pay in a court of law, not by you or anyone else cause they just might end up being your cell mates