Soarin' SB+ test...Fail

[phorsenuf]

Isn't the DAS based on current standby wait time though? If they do away with standby as it is now, where does that leave DAS?

That's a very good point I didn't think about.

 

[Planogirl]

Right now I just feel sorry for all the people that have to deal with all this as a vacationer. I was debating getting an AP again. Forget it. I'll get my Disney "fix" with MNSSHP and the occasional meal at a resort. I know I am fortunate to live close. What a cluster this whole thing is turning into.

Not to mention that we have no idea where it will all end.

 

[jade1]

I would prefer neither personally. I guess that my biggest concern is that it used to be easy to get fastpasses for one ride and then do other things until time for the next ride. Now it appears that there's an awful lot of planning that has to happen first and inevitably the lesser attractions will become more crowded as people look for other things to do. I might be offbase but I just see lines forming everywhere with few places to escape to.

I know that it's more fair but still....

That's exactly what QBOT will do for SB+, thank you.

I think they should hold all slots until the park opens. People who buy a ticket at the gate that day need to have a decent shot at riding the headliners too.

Exactly the point of hold FP+ back for SB+, thank you.

 

[FINFAN]

They're going to need to add more chairs.

Oh they will, with $10 beers as well.

I was thinking hammock stations...to catch up on sleep..you will be basically paying to do it in your admission fee AND whatever they charge per minute, but hey, you're at Disney! The Mouse wants your money.

WDW has me hanging by a thread with the 3 FP+ general limit. At $100 for a daily ticket, $33 a ride is a bit steep to me There used to at least be the possibility to get "your money's worth" as the pro's if Legacy FP have said, riding things multiple times etc. If SB+ is to become a norm, the only attraction I will be doing in FL is the . I get to watch as many waves as I want , over and over and over again. No FP+ required . Only thing I have to do 60 days out is make sure my bathing suit fits, umbrella works and my suntan lotion isn't expired.

 

[flicx]

The only real answer to the problem I see is an evolved legacy fast pass combined with the mbs.

 

[jade1]

The only real answer to the problem I see is an evolved legacy fast pass combined with the mbs.

 

[jade1]

WDW has me hanging by a thread with the 3 FP+ general limit. At $100 for a daily ticket, $33 a ride is a bit steep to me There used to at least be the possibility to get "your money's worth" as the pro's if Legacy FP have said, riding things multiple times etc. If SB+ is to become a norm, the only attraction I will be doing in FL is the . .

SB+ is in effect legacy FP

So 3 FP+ (more after at kiosks) and FP- for the rest. How is that not an improvement over current SB?

 

[jco_direwolf]

If they go the q-bot route I'm sure it will be something you have to pay for. So for those who choose not to or won't be able to justify it financially,they will be unable to ride unless they stand in a long line. Unless capacity gets filled for the ride then they may not even be able to ride at all. Wasn't FP+ supposed to level the playing field? Looks like it may be getting crooked again.

Who says qbot would be a pay for service. Right now in effect the only part of FP+ you pay for is early access (60 v 30 days).

My guess is qbot is in the works for Disney it's clearly where they are going with SB+. Since it's effectively the same thing only difference is implementation paper v digital

 

[robpa]

Who says qbot would be a pay for service. Right now in effect the only part of FP+ you pay for is early access (60 v 30 days).

My guess is qbot is in the works for Disney it's clearly where they are going with SB+. Since it's effectively the same thing only difference is implementation paper v digital

I don't know for sure but everyone is always saying Disney is a corporation whose sole goal is to make money for shareholders. So if they think they make money off of it don't you think they will take advantage of that?

 

[jade1]

If they go the q-bot route I'm sure it will be something you have to pay for. So for those who choose not to or won't be able to justify it financially,they will be unable to ride unless they stand in a long line. Unless capacity gets filled for the ride then they may not even be able to ride at all. Wasn't FP+ supposed to level the playing field? Looks like it may be getting crooked again.

Inside info?

Folks were sure FP+ would be charged as well.

But admitting STANDING in a long lines is bad, is a step in the right direction.

 

[robpa]

Inside info?

Folks were sure FP+ would be charged as well.

But admitting STANDING in a long lines is bad, is a step in the right direction.

Is FP+ finalized? Everyone keeps saying it will change as time goes on. I'm just saying if Disney thinks they can charge for something and people will pay, they will charge for it like any business would.

 

[jade1]

Is FP+ finalized? Everyone keeps saying it will change as time goes on. I'm just saying if Disney thinks they can charge for something and people will pay, they will charge for it like any business would.

Believe me-I think they are insane not to charge. There are huge threads from the past.

Mostly happy to see you agree that long SB lines are a bad thing.

 

[Angel Ariel]

SB+ is in effect legacy FP

So 3 FP+ (more after at kiosks) and FP- for the rest. How is that not an improvement over current SB?

Except it isn't legacy fp. With legacy fp, when they ran out for soarin or TT or TSMm, the guest still had an option to ride. It may not have been a great option,.but it was an option.

If/when this is.more widespread/well known, and soarin sb+ are gone by 11am (reasonable to assume, since legacy fp could be gone that early, and there are les sb+ spots than there were legacy fp.spots) - a guest arriving at 11:05am no.longer has *any* option to ride it.

If I arrive at 11:05am and choose not to get in a sb line.because it is too long, that is much different than disney telling me I *can't* ride something at all because - b/w prebooking and sb+ - all of the slots for the day were gone 2 hrs after opening.

 

[jade1]

Except it isn't legacy fp. With legacy fp, when they ran out for soarin or TT or TSMm, the guest still had an option to ride. It may not have been a great option,.but it was an option.

If/when this is.more widespread/well known, and soarin sb+ are gone by 11am (reasonable to assume, since legacy fp could be gone that early, and there are les sb+ spots than there were legacy fp.spots) - a guest arriving at 11:05am no.longer has *any* option to ride it.

If I arrive at 11:05am and choose not to get in a sb line.because it is too long, that is much different than disney telling me I *can't* ride something at all because - b/w prebooking and sb+ - all of the slots for the day were gone 2 hrs after opening.

Will admit its not exactly the same-very similar just scan in come back later. Mostly sick of writing the same things over and over.

But I am comparing FP- and QBOTSB+........"in addition" to FP+.

Folks have many opportunities to select FP+ up to that point, and like with FP- you can be sure many never rode headliners they wanted. There is no way everyone can ride what they want, never could/did or will. The catch is if SB+ gets way ahead like 9PM for an 11AM guests-they need to decide if they can skip everything else for the next 10 hours-in effect standing in that line. That and 70% already have the FP+ for that attraction. Its the same QTY of SB riders, and again as below-they are testing all options IMO.

Its a bit more than that. The paper reference is just to point out it's not necessary if you have MB technology-they can choose to use paper if they want.

The FP+ is here to stay IMO.

It's just a matter of what % they distribute, and what % remain SB.

They need to keep a decent % SB for the reasons posted over and over.

QBOT/SB+ simply holds your spot in the queue.

It does not shut down the SB line. You can continue to enjoy just standing there if you choose.

FP- just dispersed the entire allotment of FP like an hour glass-at many times a 10AM would be for a 9PM return, and headliners often gone by noon-and the average guest arriving after noon. Admittedly you could get another after 1 or 2 hours, but the ability to hold 3 FP+ before you even arrive (and more after they are used) was the replacement.

The technology just allows them to now start go after the SB wait times.

You can be sure they are constantly looking at all ideas.

 

[monkeybug]

Except it isn't legacy fp. With legacy fp, when they ran out for soarin or TT or TSMm, the guest still had an option to ride. It may not have been a great option,.but it was an option.

If/when this is.more widespread/well known, and soarin sb+ are gone by 11am (reasonable to assume, since legacy fp could be gone that early, and there are les sb+ spots than there were legacy fp.spots) - a guest arriving at 11:05am no.longer has *any* option to ride it.

If I arrive at 11:05am and choose not to get in a sb line.because it is too long, that is much different than disney telling me I *can't* ride something at all because - b/w prebooking and sb+ - all of the slots for the day were gone 2 hrs after opening.

Yup! And the SB+ could be a huge advantage to people who get there at opening because conceivably you could ride and then immediately get another SB+ ticket, which would of course limit what's available later in the day. And it would be pretty messed up if they limited the SB+ tickets you were allowed because what if all you want to do at Epcot is ride Soarin' all day? If there's no standby line to get in, and there is some kind of cap to how often you can use SB+, then again Disney is basically telling you what you can and can't ride, and in my experience there is not much that bothers people more than being told they can't do something.

 

[robpa]

Believe me-I think they are insane not to charge. There are huge threads from the past.

Mostly happy to see you agree that long SB lines are a bad thing.

Of course long lines are a bad thing. Unfortunately Disney is trying to put a bandaid on a severed artery. The only way to fix this is to increase capacity by building more attractions. They are unwilling to do that in the Fla parks at this time for reasons only know to them.

 

[mesaboy2]

Believe me-I think they are insane not to charge. There are huge threads from the past.

Mostly happy to see you agree that long SB lines are a bad thing.

SB lines are undoubtably a bad thing. Please explain to me how they are shortened without somebody losing? Come on, put on your "real thinking" cap. I'd let you borrow mine, but I don't own one.

 

[jade1]

Folks have many opportunities to select FP+ up to that point, and like with FP- you can be sure many never rode headliners they wanted. There is no way everyone can ride what they want, never could/did or will.

SB lines are undoubtably a bad thing. Please explain to me how they are shortened without somebody losing? Come on, put on your "real thinking" cap. I'd let you borrow mine, but I don't own one.

See above.

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

I'm just so confused by so much of what Disney is doing right now. The implemented Fast Pass+ which, at least when we were there back at the end of January, was somewhat of a mess and certainly made touring more difficult for us as well as many other families. But, they implemented it and we accept that. Okay. But now, it seems that for certain attractions, they are implementing, at least in a sense, legacy fast pass. To me, this seems like they are saying, "Well, FP+ really didn't have intended consequences for some of these rides so we have to figure something else out. I know! Let's go back to the old system, not call it that, and see if anyone notices. Oh, and we'll eighty-six the old standby line because there's no way that will have negative consequences." Then, people start to get excited about this idea. Then, they get irritated when the people who would have been in the standby line that is now nonexistent are now in the standby line for a ride where they never would have been thereby creating increased wait times for rides that no one has ever seen actual waits for before, such as Imagination. Clearly, legacy fast pass was a good system since they are implementing it back on other rides. Why not *gasp* combine the good of fast pass with the good of fast pass+? That way, everyone can win. You select your FP+ the day of rather than multiple days out, but are able to select them from your phone from anywhere on property (or actually, anywhere in the world in case you are at the airport waiting to come in or something). No limits. Bang, everyone wins.

 

[mesaboy2]

See above.

That does not answer my question. All that says is that everyone can't do everything they want. Brilliant. How about they decide what they can and can't do by going to attractions and making the choices themselves?

How do you shorten lines without somebody losing?