Soarin' Line Cutter's

[LVSWL]

My daughter and I were waiting in the Dumbo line when a small boy took it out and peed on a man's leg. The man was standing in line behind the boy and they were not acquaintances. I could not believe it! The man was upset but did not overreact, the boy appeared clueless, his parents were completely apologetic, and those of us that witnessed got a good chuckle. After that experience, I think it is acceptable to take young children to the restroom.

But removing a child (without special needs) from line because of misbehavior and rejoining the line in the same spot later will never happen in my family. I expect my children to patiently wait in line. If we have to leave line then we are not seeing the attraction. If my children do not want to wait in line then we do not see the attraction. We enter the line together and wait together. Always have.

This is one of the most sensible posts I have seen. I agree completely! We follow the same rules in our family.

 

[Tracie]

I just made it through all 13 pages of this. There's been a lot of respect, and a bit of disrespect.

Quite frankly, I don't understand how someone venting their frustration could cause 13 pages worth of bickering.

Have you ever seen one of the famous pool hopping or resort mug threads?!!!!

 

[bstnsprts]

Above, when you mentioned waiting 45 minutes, It seemed like you thought that 45 minutes was an acceptable wait time for a ride. This is why a parent walking a child out of line for a minute is no big deal to us - we haven't waited more than 15 minutes for anything. We use a really good plan. I was hoping to end things with you on a good note, so I thought I'd pass along a way to avoid lines. Sorry if I offended you again.

And to answer you fully, I am not Tour Guide Mike using an alias, or a realative of TGM.... or an in-law. I've never seen him on the street and I'm not even a subscriber. But I hear he has a lot to offer those who have battled the lines of Disney without a plan.

You should be weeping for the percentage of kids who are silently suffering. Weeping for the youth who are overindulged is a waste of time , it's something you can't control. But you can control turning a blind eye to a child who needs help.

Why would you feel that you offended me? Because I disagree with you? Do you feel that you offend everyone who disagrees with you? Just because you and I don't wait in 45 minute lines doesn't mean that other people don't. I gave you a scenario with Play House Disney. Check it out on your next trip and see how many people come out of the woodwork when the doors open leaving others stuck in line until the next show. I'll finish by saying that weeping for abused children will not help them, rather I would stand up and do something about it. Today's kids are our future, we just differ on how to raise them to become respectful adolescents and adults. Have a good night.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

aw a voice of reason since it's what i was thinking i can understand if the wait is 2 hrs maybe an occasional emergency arising BUT since we go off season that is not the case...so what are the line cutters cutting for then? that means if little Jr can't wait (for the time it takes him to wait in line maybe what,10 mins?) to go potty, mom and pop haven't thought of attending to his potty needs for hrs...when they haven't gone for a while, go to the bathroom before you get in line..how hard is that? (not talking about toilet trainers here who might have to go on a spur of the moment although even then, it's possible to take them at regular intervals to forestall at least some of the emergency times). it's just more "convenient"to cutters to mow everyone else over so you can get there "first " which is doubly stupid off season since the wait is so short

I am so shocked to read this! Now I am not trying to start an argument but you have got to be kidding me!!! Let me assure you that we "attend" to our child's potty needs all the time. That doesn't mean that my son won't decide that he has to go "now"! What should we do? Tell him "too bad! we went to the potty 30 minutes ago!" He is a child. Fully trained for well over a year. We have been lucky to never have had to get out of line for a potty break but I can assure you that I will never ignore the needs of my child no matter where we are. Also- for some reason it didn't quote the other poster in this but it was said that just because junior doesn't want to wait the parents indulge him? Well- just to put a little spin on that- not every child is the same. Sometimes our kids have a hard time waiting and again we have never left a line - but what about the parents of autistic children? You would never know they had a problem by looking at them as there are different degrees of the disease. I have friends whose kids are autistic and as a stranger you would never know it. I agree that some people are totally overindulgent with their kids but for the most part everyone just wants to have a good time. As I have previously posted- I cannot stand linecutters- but- if you have a legitimite reason then by all means let me lead you to the front! I have found though that the biggest case of line cutting is done at the HM. When they let you out of the room and you have to walk to the loading area. We had people go in between my dh and I and we were both carrying a child and they gave us a hard time because we were trying to reach each other because they pushed their way through and separated us. We kept saying "excuse me I am trying to reach my Dh, Dw etc", but they kept pushing. We were not cutting, merely trying to stay together. We even let peole go ahead of us, they just wouldn't stop pushing us along.

 

[Lorelai]

Why would you feel that you offended me? Because I disagree with you? Do you feel that you offend everyone who disagrees with you? Just because you and I don't wait in 45 minute lines doesn't mean that other people don't. I gave you a scenario with Play House Disney. Check it out on your next trip and see how many people come out of the woodwork when the doors open leaving others stuck in line until the next show. I'll finish by saying that weeping for abused children will not help them, rather I would stand up and do something about it. Today's kids are our future, we just differ on how to raise them to become respectful adolescents and adults. Have a good night.

Thanks.

We should play a new game.
I'll say black, and you say _____.
I'll say left, and you say _____.
I'll say happy, and you say______.


I am glad to hear that you're not offended. It's good to be open to listening to other peoples varying opinions, without becoming hostile. I think sometimes it's just hard to tell if a person is offended and being sarcastic, or simply just disagreeing in a polite way, when the exchange is all written. Have a great day!

 

[Lorelai]

I'll finish by saying that weeping for abused children will not help them, rather I would stand up and do something about it. Today's kids are our future, we just differ on how to raise them to become respectful adolescents and adults. Have a good night.

Here we are in total agreement. Working with these amazing children for 15 years teaches you pretty quickly that it's the adults who positively involve themselves who make all of the difference in how these kids function as an adolescents/adults. Everyone deserves to be respected and treated with dignity and compassion.

 

[Disneyrsh]

dont want to start anything but people who who really need wheelchairs have there own not rented ones, one incident at MGM always bugs me woman in wheelchair being pushed by her husband pulls in to disabled area 5 minutes later she is dancing in the street pretending she is part of the parade while her husband is now sitting in the chair as soon as the parade is finished she jumps back in the chair and of they go it, was a rental from Disney!

That's when you just have to believe in karmic retribution. I see people like that, and I firmly believe that somehow, someway, that abhorrent behavior will be visited back on them.

 

[SueM in MN]

QUOTE:
Originally Posted by waltfan1957
dont want to start anything but people who who really need wheelchairs have there own not rented ones, one incident at MGM always bugs me woman in wheelchair being pushed by her husband pulls in to disabled area 5 minutes later she is dancing in the street pretending she is part of the parade while her husband is now sitting in the chair as soon as the parade is finished she jumps back in the chair and of they go it, was a rental from Disney!END QUOTE

That's when you just have to believe in karmic retribution. I see people like that, and I firmly believe that somehow, someway, that abhorrent behavior will be visited back on them.

Again, this is a few minute glimpse into someone's behavior. It doesn't say anything about her reasons for using a wheelchair or her need for a wheelchair the rest of the day.
That karmic retribution can come back and bite anyone in the rear. I've seen quite a few posts from people over the years who thought the same thing about people they saw using wheelchairs. Then they needed one themself (with no visible need) and got a taste of the other side.

We have heard people make comments about my youngest DD. They see her sitting on a bench, swinging her leg, with her wheelchair sitting next to her and make comments (just loud enough for us to hear) as they walk by - "There's one of those wheelchair cheaters" or "She doesn't seem to need the wheelchair" or "Bet they just have that to get ahead in lines." It doesn't happen often, but is has happened to us several times over the years.

They think they can tell from looking that my DD doesn't need a wheelchair just because she's not sitting in it at the time they see her. But, the girl can't walk, can't stand and can't even get from her wheelchair to the bench without help. Most of the time, she can't even cross her leg without help. But, since she can sit there and swing her leg, suddenly people think they can see she doesn't need the wheelchair.

News flash: Even people who can't walk do sometimes get out of their wheelchair. My DD is not "bound" to her wheelchair. It is a tool that allows her to do things her body is not able to do without a wheelchair. Her body can't do a lot without the wheelchair; some people's bodies can. Unless you live in the body or are with that person a lot, you don't know.

So, be careful of that karmic retribution. It can hit people who think they are immune to it.

 

[muntzfab4]

I don't want to start anything, but just want to add my 2 cents. I have to say I saw more rude behavior this trip (last week) than at any other time we have been to WDW. I know I am not perfect, but it was quite noticeable.

 

[ReggieB]

I must walk around WDW in a complete daze, I have never seen any bad line cutters on ride queues! The odd person catching up to the family, but that's about it. I have to say if my DS5 announced he needed the bathroom mid-queue I would probably leave the line completely, unless maybe we were waiting for a show.

The line cutters that I have seen, are the ones in line for characters, who save multiple places in multiple lines, then have the kids run from one to another. Whilst it's not too annoying if it's one or two children, when it's four plus, all with autograph books it does make it kind of hard for DS, who usually puts forth the opinion that it's just not fair, especially when the characters are about to go on breaks. I guess people do it to save time, but while it's a great time saver for them, it's bad for us! We don't have the family man power to have people in lots of different queues, but even if we did, I probably wouldn't do it.

 

[Marseeya]

News flash: Even people who can't walk do sometimes get out of their wheelchair. My DD is not "bound" to her wheelchair. It is a tool that allows her to do things her body is not able to do without a wheelchair. Her body can't do a lot without the wheelchair; some people's bodies can. Unless you live in the body or are with that person a lot, you don't know.

So, be careful of that karmic retribution. It can hit people who think they are immune to it.

It's such a shame that people who use a wheelchair have to look miserable for others to believe that they absolutely need one.

 

[waltfan1957]

Again, this is a few minute glimpse into someone's behavior. It doesn't say anything about her reasons for using a wheelchair or her need for a wheelchair the rest of the day.
That karmic retribution can come back and bite anyone in the rear. I've seen quite a few posts from people over the years who thought the same thing about people they saw using wheelchairs. Then they needed one themself (with no visible need) and got a taste of the other side.

We have heard people make comments about my youngest DD. They see her sitting on a bench, swinging her leg, with her wheelchair sitting next to her and make comments (just loud enough for us to hear) as they walk by - "There's one of those wheelchair cheaters" or "She doesn't seem to need the wheelchair" or "Bet they just have that to get ahead in lines." It doesn't happen often, but is has happened to us several times over the years.

They think they can tell from looking that my DD doesn't need a wheelchair just because she's not sitting in it at the time they see her. But, the girl can't walk, can't stand and can't even get from her wheelchair to the bench without help. Most of the time, she can't even cross her leg without help. But, since she can sit there and swing her leg, suddenly people think they can see she doesn't need the wheelchair.

News flash: Even people who can't walk do sometimes get out of their wheelchair. My DD is not "bound" to her wheelchair. It is a tool that allows her to do things her body is not able to do without a wheelchair. Her body can't do a lot without the wheelchair; some people's bodies can. Unless you live in the body or are with that person a lot, you don't know.

So, be careful of that karmic retribution. It can hit people who think they are immune to it.

sorry sue but you had to be there to see this she was waltzing up and down the parade route for 10-15 minutes everyone in the disabled section was calling her for this this was deffinatley not a case like your DD

 

[Cookie55]

Take it from someone who knows...

Life is too short..

 

[SueM in MN]

sorry sue but you had to be there to see this she was waltzing up and down the parade route for 10-15 minutes everyone in the disabled section was calling her for this this was deffinatley not a case like your DD

I'm sorry, but IMHO, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, an hour don't say anything about the rest of that person's life, abilities or reason to use or not use a wheelchair.
It just means that for that amount of time, people saw her not behaving the way they expected someone to behave if they were using a wheelchair.

Some people need a wheelchair just for the distances involved at WDW; from the example given, there is no way to tell where this person fits in. Maybe (if she planned to dance during the parade) she should have parked her wheelchair somewhere other than the wheelchair viewing area, but seeing her dancing for a few minutes says nothing about whether she needed the wheelchair the rest of the time.

 

[waltfan1957]

I'm sorry, but IMHO, 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, an hour don't say anything about the rest of that person's life, abilities or reason to use or not use a wheelchair.
It just means that for that amount of time, people saw her not behaving the way they expected someone to behave if they were using a wheelchair.

Some people need a wheelchair just for the distances involved at WDW; from the example given, there is no way to tell where this person fits in. Maybe (if she planned to dance during the parade) she should have parked her wheelchair somewhere other than the wheelchair viewing area, but seeing her dancing for a few minutes says nothing about whether she needed the wheelchair the rest of the time.

I appreciate what you are saying but like I said you had to be there

 

[Disneyrsh]

Again, this is a few minute glimpse into someone's behavior. It doesn't say anything about her reasons for using a wheelchair or her need for a wheelchair the rest of the day.
That karmic retribution can come back and bite anyone in the rear. I've seen quite a few posts from people over the years who thought the same thing about people they saw using wheelchairs. Then they needed one themself (with no visible need) and got a taste of the other side.

We have heard people make comments about my youngest DD. They see her sitting on a bench, swinging her leg, with her wheelchair sitting next to her and make comments (just loud enough for us to hear) as they walk by - "There's one of those wheelchair cheaters" or "She doesn't seem to need the wheelchair" or "Bet they just have that to get ahead in lines." It doesn't happen often, but is has happened to us several times over the years.

They think they can tell from looking that my DD doesn't need a wheelchair just because she's not sitting in it at the time they see her. But, the girl can't walk, can't stand and can't even get from her wheelchair to the bench without help. Most of the time, she can't even cross her leg without help. But, since she can sit there and swing her leg, suddenly people think they can see she doesn't need the wheelchair.

News flash: Even people who can't walk do sometimes get out of their wheelchair. My DD is not "bound" to her wheelchair. It is a tool that allows her to do things her body is not able to do without a wheelchair. Her body can't do a lot without the wheelchair; some people's bodies can. Unless you live in the body or are with that person a lot, you don't know.

So, be careful of that karmic retribution. It can hit people who think they are immune to it.

No, you totally didn't get it.

I don't get angry at people who don't behave like they need a wheelchair. I figure, if they need it, then karma knows they do. If they DON'T, and only they know if they need it or not, then karma's gonna get them.

You assumed anger on my part where there was none.

 

[jann1033]

I appreciate what you are saying but like I said you had to be there

i'm sorry but you are totally out of line about this..( warning, long boring medical history ahead) i can walk but because my body lacks sufficient ATP. if i allow myself to use up what i have it is days( can be months or years) before i can do much but hope i have enough energy so I can make it to the bathroom...now if it were important for me to do something, i save up my energy for sometimes weeks before hand...the point being if it were important for me to dance with the parade to feel some what like my "normal" self ,pre-illness, what right do you have to decide i shouldn't?...or you figure because i rested( as in bed, not doing anything) for 2 weeks to enjoy a few moments I'm not disabled?( I'll tell my husband this and see if he agrees with you, he won't)I'm not asking you to lay in bed for 2 days to recover like i would have to so you have no right to decide something like this for anyone but yourself. and as much as it disgusts me that i let people with your attitude get to me and stop me from using some kind of vehicle at wdw, i probably won't have the luxury next time since it took me months to recover from my very non commando last trip and i am worse now...you just have no right to judge this and you really need to develop some compassion for those who you don't personally know that don't fit your very narrow tunnel vision of "disability"

sorry for the rant but enough is enough

 

[jann1033]

I am so shocked to read this! Now I am not trying to start an argument but you have got to be kidding me!!! Let me assure you that we "attend" to our child's potty needs all the time. That doesn't mean that my son won't decide that he has to go "now"! What should we do? Tell him "too bad! we went to the potty 30 minutes ago!" He is a child. Fully trained for well over a year. We have been lucky to never have had to get out of line for a potty break but I can assure you that I will never ignore the needs of my child no matter where we are. Also- for some reason it didn't quote the other poster in this but it was said that just because junior doesn't want to wait the parents indulge him? Well- just to put a little spin on that- not every child is the same. Sometimes our kids have a hard time waiting and again we have never left a line - but what about the parents of autistic children? You would never know they had a problem by looking at them as there are different degrees of the disease. I have friends whose kids are autistic and as a stranger you would never know it. I agree that some people are totally overindulgent with their kids but for the most part everyone just wants to have a good time. As I have previously posted- I cannot stand linecutters- but- if you have a legitimite reason then by all means let me lead you to the front! I have found though that the biggest case of line cutting is done at the HM. When they let you out of the room and you have to walk to the loading area. We had people go in between my dh and I and we were both carrying a child and they gave us a hard time because we were trying to reach each other because they pushed their way through and separated us. We kept saying "excuse me I am trying to reach my Dh, Dw etc", but they kept pushing. We were not cutting, merely trying to stay together. We even let peole go ahead of us, they just wouldn't stop pushing us along.

maybe you need to reread my post..i mentioned there could be emergency situations 2 times, this wouldn't apply to toilet training( which i did not intend to limit to a few months, i was more thinking of toddlers in general since accidents can happen for awhile after you think the child is "trained") and i also mentioned we go off season, when there are no appreciable lines, and it would be different if the lines were longer, my point being, the "my kid needs to go potty" excuse doesn't make much sense at that time yet people still cut in line which is what the quoted person imo alluded to, sometimes it's used as an excuse rather than a real reason.in fact i doubt most parents would have time to leave a line, take the child to the bathroom and get back before the others finished riding when we go,yet we see people cut in line over and over.

i didn't go back and check but i believe the person i quoted was referring to a previous post where no disability was involved with the child in question...

i could be wrong but i thought kids who can not wait in line due to something like autism can go in a different entrance so they don't have to wait..

sorry this riled you up, i think you read it differently than i intended it.

 

[kaytieeldr]

i could be wrong but i thought kids who can not wait in line due to something like autism can go in a different entrance so they don't have to wait..

Yes, that's one of the primary purposes of the Guest Assistance Card (GAC)

 

[proudmomof4]

Wow!!! I thought this thread would be a place where we could all vent and express our opinions but it really has turned into an insult parade, why can't we post our opinions without insulting all the others? As a new member to DIS I am more than a little half afraid to post this as I don't know how many insults I'll get just for stating what I think, but here goes.

As to the line cutting, I feel for the guests having to leave the line to take a child to the bathroom and then trying to catch back up with their family but I don't agree with letting large groups "catch up" with the rest of their party.

What bothers me are the "creepers", you know the ones that are behind you and then slowly creep up next to you and then before you know it are ahead of you?