Soarin' Line Cutter's

[heaven2dc]

This happened at AK in the safari line. I have a friend who has a condition and needs to use the facilities more often than usual, and her need can happen nearly immediately after using the facilities. The wonderful CM allowed us to leave where the stroller area was and allowed us back in the line at the same place, when we explained the situation. She HAD just used the facilities before we got in line.

I am glad that she didn't have to rely on the kindness of strangers, I can see all sorts of negative vibes going her/our way, the CM was cordial and professional to us.

Of course, not all attractions have something so convenient as the stroller "parking area." It seems that many of you wouldn't want my DFriend on any rides.

Bobbi

I would LOVE to have your friend on any ride our family went on! I do understand there are many reasons people may have to leave lines and we may construe it as line cutting. I just get upset when I see big groups of people cutting their way thru just to join one or two in line so they don't have to wait themselves. Hope no one who truly needs to leave the lines or join their families for health reasons or whatever don't take offense to our comments here - I think most of us are just fed up with society in general.

 

[bobbiwoz]

I would LOVE to have your friend on any ride our family went on! I do understand there are many reasons people may have to leave lines and we may construe it as line cutting. I just get upset when I see big groups of people cutting their way thru just to join one or two in line so they don't have to wait themselves. Hope no one who truly needs to leave the lines or join their families for health reasons or whatever don't take offense to our comments here - I think most of us are just fed up with society in general.

Thank you. You know, I think I knew this even before I replied.

Bobbi

 

[waltfan1957]

I do agree with your statment here. A persons age shouldn't equal automatic respect.




Ok here is where we differ

Just because a person is in a wheelchair doesn't mean they need special treatment. Plenty of people end up using a wheelchair (especialy at Disney) that don't really need to. You can't tell who really needs it and who dosen't.
mike

dont want to start anything but people who who really need wheelchairs have there own not rented ones, one incident at MGM always bugs me woman in wheelchair being pushed by her husband pulls in to disabled area 5 minutes later she is dancing in the street pretending she is part of the parade while her husband is now sitting in the chair as soon as the parade is finished she jumps back in the chair and of they go it, was a rental from Disney!

 

[wilderness01]

This kind of goes along with line cutters. I was at the drug store the other day checking out and this lady comes up to ask the clerk what the price of the sunglasses she had in her hand were. He was almost done checking me out. There were 3 more items to scan and then I needed to pay. Why couldn't she have waited her turn. He stopped checking me out, took the glasses from her and proceeded to tell her he didn't know but they looked like they would fit a nine year old. Why was her time any more precious than mine? I was kind of miffed to be honest and I stated so to the clerk as she was walking away. I stated out loud how rude I thought it was that someone could not wait their turn to ask a question when he was free. He is a very nice man and shook his head in agreement with me. Was this the end of the world? No. But it was rude on her part and she needed to be called on her behavior.

 

[#1_Donald_Duck_Fan]

dont want to start anything but people who who really need wheelchairs have there own not rented ones, one incident at MGM always bugs me woman in wheelchair being pushed by her husband pulls in to disabled area 5 minutes later she is dancing in the street pretending she is part of the parade while her husband is now sitting in the chair as soon as the parade is finished she jumps back in the chair and of they go it, was a rental from Disney!

I agree to a point people like that piss me off.

But I don't have a wheelchair at home but last trip (in December) I used one in the park because of my lung percent and low bone dencety(sp?) I maynot have one at home but I still needed one there because of the extensive walking and long lines. Granted I wasn't dancing in the street .

Also on a side note of rude people when we were sitting waiting to watch the parade (I was in a wheelchair) some woman comes and stands right infront of me and refuses to move so no MGM parade for me (the small kids around me was what kept me from cursing her out.

see ya
Mike

 

[Marseeya]

This kind of goes along with line cutters. I was at the drug store the other day checking out and this lady comes up to ask the clerk what the price of the sunglasses she had in her hand were. He was almost done checking me out. There were 3 more items to scan and then I needed to pay. Why couldn't she have waited her turn. He stopped checking me out, took the glasses from her and proceeded to tell her he didn't know but they looked like they would fit a nine year old. Why was her time any more precious than mine? I was kind of miffed to be honest and I stated so to the clerk as she was walking away. I stated out loud how rude I thought it was that someone could not wait their turn to ask a question when he was free. He is a very nice man and shook his head in agreement with me. Was this the end of the world? No. But it was rude on her part and she needed to be called on her behavior.

I hate that too! I've even had that happen to me in my classes. I'll be waiting after class to talk to a professor and someone with a "quick question" will butt in front of me. Well, my question was "quick" too!

Why is it so difficult to understand? Wait. Your. Turn. It's that simple.

 

[Mo-Yo]

For evil to prosper it takes good men to do nothing.

I dislike linecutting, too, and my level of annoyance is equal to the level of rudeness displayed.

That said, linecutting is hardly one of the world's big evils...I'd rather pick my battles and save my energy for the big ones I chose to fight and hope to have an impact on. Sometimes it's just not worth the expediture of negative energy.

 

[Mo-Yo]

An OP said "dont want to start anything but people who who really need wheelchairs have there own not rented ones."

This is patently untrue. My mother is stroke victim. She is paralyzed on her right side and has extreme mobility issues. She wears a moffa brace and putters along with a cane at a painful limping gait. She no lopnger uses a wheelchair because after years of hard work...and amazing pride and courage (I might add), she did away with her wheelchair.

It embarrasses her to use a wheelchair, but in extreme circumstances (like WDW) she will rent one. We are bringing her to WDW in February. Even with a wheel chair, the trip will be more work than it normally is for us with our three kids. Will people really resent us for this?

My sister regularly brings my neice with Spina Bifida and her other three young children to the park. Every day of her life is more work than you can imagine. DO people REALLY begrudge disabled people for the few conveniences they get?

Please use your powers for good people.

There is so much talk of magic on this board. Why not make some for yourself and others by trying to believe most other people are really doing the best they can do under their own current circumstances.

Live and let live is a truly magical way to live. Unless someone does you real and obvious harm, why waste the energy on bitterness that seems to last even after you leave the park.

 

[Shelbinator29]

Just stay in the line, right behind the person you were in the first place! Stay. in. line.

OR JUST GET FAST PASS!

 

[jann1033]

Lorelai, I just feel that people abuse this. Most parents who do this are people that just don't want to put up with the hassle of waiting in line with young kids. It's the easy way out. Junior acts up in line so DW will walk around with him for 30 minutes and then rejoin DH at the front of the line. Well there's a hundred other kids in that line that aren't thrilled about being there either. What do they tell their kids when they ask how come that kid doesn't have to wait in line? What will happen when more and more people decide this is ok to do? I think that a vast majority of the time it is done more for personal convenience than any other reason.

aw a voice of reason since it's what i was thinking i can understand if the wait is 2 hrs maybe an occasional emergency arising BUT since we go off season that is not the case...so what are the line cutters cutting for then? that means if little Jr can't wait (for the time it takes him to wait in line maybe what,10 mins?) to go potty, mom and pop haven't thought of attending to his potty needs for hrs...when they haven't gone for a while, go to the bathroom before you get in line..how hard is that? (not talking about toilet trainers here who might have to go on a spur of the moment although even then, it's possible to take them at regular intervals to forestall at least some of the emergency times). it's just more "convenient"to cutters to mow everyone else over so you can get there "first " which is doubly stupid off season since the wait is so short

 

[jann1033]

dont want to start anything but people who who really need wheelchairs have there own not rented ones, one incident at MGM always bugs me woman in wheelchair being pushed by her husband pulls in to disabled area 5 minutes later she is dancing in the street pretending she is part of the parade while her husband is now sitting in the chair as soon as the parade is finished she jumps back in the chair and of they go it, was a rental from Disney!

nope some people can walk but not for hrs like at disney, you can just do a search to keep from getting into this again

 

[SueM in MN]

dont want to start anything but people who who really need wheelchairs have there own not rented ones, one incident at MGM always bugs me woman in wheelchair being pushed by her husband pulls in to disabled area 5 minutes later she is dancing in the street pretending she is part of the parade while her husband is now sitting in the chair as soon as the parade is finished she jumps back in the chair and of they go it, was a rental from Disney!

that's not necessarily true.
My DD can't walk at all, so she had her own wheelchair (actually she has 2, manual and power).
Her grandfather can walk for the distances he usually walks at home, but there is no way he can walk the distances involved in a WDW trip. So he rents an ECV in the parks.
And, dancing in the street doesn't mean the person doesn't have a legitimate need for a wheelchair.

I have a friend who brought her 2 boys to WDW when the oldest was about 9 and the youngest was about 6 or 7. They rented a wheelchair for the oldest son. He seldom wanted to ride in it, so the family was often pushing an empty wheelchair. Sometimes, the 2 boys ran around and chased each other. Sometime the youngest boy rode in the wheelchair. The oldest boy only rode when he was so tired he was almost dropping.

By the criteria people seem to judge people who don't "need" wheelchairs, they would be classed as wheelchair cheaters.

• Renting a wheelchair? Yes
• Different people riding the wheelchair? Yes
• Wheelchair users stand up and get onto ride? Yes
• Wheelchair riders sometimes seen walking? Yes
• Wheelchair riders sometimes seen running or cavorting? Yes

The oldest boy had a wheelchair because his cardiologist told the parents he would not be able to walk around WDW in the heat all day. He was born with a heart defect that could not be totally repaired and he was not expected to live far into his teens. He did live to be 18, but one morning when his mom went to wake him for school, she found he had died during his sleep.
So, did they need a wheelchair on that trip, or not?

 

[mickeymousemom]

I, too, am amazed at the support for bad manners in this thread. How did we get to the point where rudeness and 'me first' are acceptable? We've created catergories in this country where EVERYONE is a special interest group or victim. Why do Senior Citizens get to go first? Should WDW have lines for seniors, religions, vegetarians.....? Yep, it's Disney World, but I've been hearing that excuse for too many things. Just because it's a theme park are we to let common sense and courtesy go out the window? Yes, it's all small stuff, but if behavoir is condoned or ignored it becomes BIG stuff & I don't mean one person, I mean a whole generation. Okay, I'm off my soap box....flame away.

Haven't read the rest of the thread, but really don't want to. Since when did senior citizens get to go to the front of the line at WDW? Not even all handicapped people go to the front of the line. I agree with post number 2 in this thread....this stuff is petty and griping about it is ridiculous. Be patient, you'll get there. I have learned from experience that if I get all riled up because of rude guests at WDW then I ruin my whole day. I refuse to let it bother me. We go with the flow and have a good time while there...and you bet your sweet bippy we're darn thankful to be there spending time as a family.



ETA: as far as Senior Citizens getting special treatment in other places, I think its called respect for our elders. If only this country were as respectful to our older people as countries like Japan and China.

 

[zachnlucy]

Cutting in front of others vs returning to your original place in line are two different things.

The problem is, who knows if you're cutting or not? If a parent and a young child, say up to age 12, show up behind me and ask if they can rejoin their family, (or any other single person with a good logistical reason) I always say yes. Anyone else ... our family of 5 hold hands and make a wall. The majority of the linebreakers are rude and we will not tolerate it. Yes, it makes my pulse race to confront 'em. Yes, it lessens my enjoyment of the ride. But I would be more pissed at myself if I just let 'em through and then stewede about it. My family waits in line, and we will always do a potty break before a ride (my kids are 9, 9 and 11). Rudeness is just unacceptable.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Let me preface this with the fact that I am a card-carrying AARP member.

We were in the MK waiting for the parade and we had staked out a spot about an hour before near the Christmas Store (close to Hall of Presidents). I found a brick ledge to sit on (a tree is planted within the square and the ledge is on one edge of the square). Another person joined us in the spot, so the space was filled. About time for the parade to start and get to where we are standing, some woman comes up to me and tries to squeeze into the space where I was sitting. I ask her to please move because she was on top of me. She then proceeds to tell me that she deserved to sit there because she was a senior citizen. Turns out, I was two years older than she was. I didn't let her have my spot. I told her that the next time she wanted to sit to watch the parade she should get there earlier.

I agree with the OP on line cutting. If you want to ride together, get into line together. Emergencies might happen, but not all that frequently.

Age doesn't give you the right to be rude. Whether you are 65 or 12.

 

[hirschberger]

It is wonderful to see adults training their children. Remember children look up to their parents, and cutting in line or moving through a group of people who have been following the rules is not the message to show the children. We all must set an example for the next generation.

 

[Lorelai]

You miss the point, this isn't for everyone, just the privileged few who shouldn't have to wait in line with the rest of us. Jump in line with six people and then two or three take off, grab a bite to eat, maybe a smoke, bathroom break, then 45 minutes later push themselves through 200 people who have been standing in the line, not eating or smoking or going to the bathroom to regain that spot they acquired an hour ago. Why would those 200 people be upset? After all you did enter the line before them. You just took off for 45 minutes while they stood there with the rest of us suckers. Why should anyone stand in line? Maybe after getting in line we all can leave and Disney could page us when it's our turn to ride. Wow, if we all left the line, would there still be a line. There problem solved, we all can leave the line, then there will be no lines at Disney.

Above, when you mentioned waiting 45 minutes, It seemed like you thought that 45 minutes was an acceptable wait time for a ride. This is why a parent walking a child out of line for a minute is no big deal to us - we haven't waited more than 15 minutes for anything. We use a really good plan. I was hoping to end things with you on a good note, so I thought I'd pass along a way to avoid lines. Sorry if I offended you again.

And to answer you fully, I am not Tour Guide Mike using an alias, or a realative of TGM.... or an in-law. I've never seen him on the street and I'm not even a subscriber. But I hear he has a lot to offer those who have battled the lines of Disney without a plan.

 

[Luv2CtheMouse]

I too agree with the OP. I am amazed at how many people feel that we should be courteous and accepting of people who are not couteous.

 

[ScarletFire]

My daughter and I were waiting in the Dumbo line when a small boy took it out and peed on a man's leg. The man was standing in line behind the boy and they were not acquaintances. I could not believe it! The man was upset but did not overreact, the boy appeared clueless, his parents were completely apologetic, and those of us that witnessed got a good chuckle. After that experience, I think it is acceptable to take young children to the restroom.

But removing a child (without special needs) from line because of misbehavior and rejoining the line in the same spot later will never happen in my family. I expect my children to patiently wait in line. If we have to leave line then we are not seeing the attraction. If my children do not want to wait in line then we do not see the attraction. We enter the line together and wait together. Always have.

 

[Lorelai]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I weep for the current youth generation. (But I must add that, as one who has worked with children for nigh on ten years now, this attitude is depressingly more or less the parenting norm, nowadays. )

As an educator for 15+ years working with children who suffer from child behavioral spectrum disorders, as well as children who have been emotionally scarred, I can attest that this response is exactly why it took so many years for our understanding of childhood behvior to evolve.

A child can be well behaved, well adjusted, and raised by loving parents.
A child can be well behaved, masking a great deal of damage on the inside because they are raised by abusive parents.
A child can be poorly behaved because they are overindulged by clueless parents.
A child can also be poorly behaved because they are exposed to abusive parents and haven't formed the ability to mask.

You should be weeping for the percentage of kids who are silently suffering. Weeping for the youth who are overindulged is a waste of time , it's something you can't control. But you can control turning a blind eye to a child who needs help.