Soarin' Line Cutter's

[Marseeya]

You miss the point, this isn't for everyone, just the privileged few who shouldn't have to wait in line with the rest of us. Jump in line with six people and then two or three take off, grab a bite to eat, maybe a smoke, bathroom break, then 45 minutes later push themselves through 200 people who have been standing in the line, not eating or smoking or going to the bathroom to regain that spot they acquired an hour ago. Why would those 200 people be upset? After all you did enter the line before them. You just took off for 45 minutes while they stood there with the rest of us suckers. Why should anyone stand in line? Maybe after getting in line we all can leave and Disney could page us when it's our turn to ride. Wow, if we all left the line, would there still be a line. There problem solved, we all can leave the line, then there will be no lines at Disney.

It'll be all the rage and they'll call it -- ARR -- Advanced Riding Reservations! You can make your ARRs 180 days in advance, and some of the bigger rides like EE will have a similar call in system to CRT.

 

[dumbo33]

When I saw the standby line entrance for Soarin, I knew that there would be trouble. You know its easy to sit back and say that in the big picture, line cutters are not big of a deal. Realistically though, when your looking at a wait of 90 minutes or so, no one wants to wait a minute longer. The line is daunting and I personally refuse to wait in it because I know there would be line cutters. My wife would hit the roof. I always get a fast pass for this one. I am surprised that the king of line formation, (Disney) didn't come up with a better stand by system. I hope they try to come up with something especially when the weather gets hot.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Well, as long as they were in line before you, their leaving and returning would not change your wait time

Well, it won't change your original wait - but it will change your actual wait:
Wait per hundred people in line: five minutes
People in line when you get there: 1200
Original wait: 60 minutes
Almost right away, 1000 people get out of line to rest, go to the bathroom, get a drink, whatever
Current wait: 10 minutes
100 people enter the attraction; your wait time is now five minutes
Those 1000 people return (yes, they were all immediately in front of you )
New wait time 55 minutes

Why should anyone stand in line? Maybe after getting in line we all can leave and Disney could page us when it's our turn to ride.

Um, isn't that what Fast Pass is supposed to do?

 

[WillCAD]

I had to wait an abnormally long time for fastpasses to EE a couple weeks ago. The line was too long for me to be comfortable trying to catch up to my family. So, I just got in line and rode it by myself. I ended up less than 10 minutes behind my family...no big deal. And, we all got to ride together a little later using the fastpasses.

If you had an abnormally long wait to get the FPs, and you still wound up only 10 minutes behind your family, then I am forced to wonder - why couldn't your family wait that ten minutes while you got the FPs so you could all wait together?

If it upset you so much to see kids push through the line at Kali, why would you push through the line at EE?

Maybe you think it's okay to "catch up" after getting FPs, but I consider that line cutting - you WERE NEVER IN THE LINE and yet you feel that it's okay to push past others who ARE in the line. Why? Because somebody you know happens to be farther up in the line.

Why not simply let your family wait while you get your FPs? Or maybe let them go to the bathroom while you get the FPs (which would reduce the possibility of your kids needing to get out of line to go)?

 

[Lorelai]

If you read the post that I originally responded to it had nothing to do with going to the bathroom. The OP stated that when her child acted up in line it was reason to leave the line with her and re-join it later. If my child had to go to the bathroom we would all leave the line and let her go to the bathroom. I would not expect my wife to push through 200 people that don't know why she is pushing through, to re-join me at the front of the line. Just my opion.

Whether it's going to the bathroom, or taking her to walk for a minute if she's cranky, a parent of a two year old doesn't need you telling her that she lacks parenting skills because she is tending to her child. I was responding to your insulting a mother who removes her upset child from line.

On another note, you might want to look into TGM (Tour Guide Mike) to avoid ever waiting in a line longer than 20 minutes. A 60 minute wait can be a thing of the past for you - actually, there are tons of strategies that you can put into action just by surfing these boards. Good luck & enjoy your next trip!

 

[Markstudy]

People with small kids need our help.

They need to leave the line and cut back in.

Sure, this sets up a loop-hole for jerks, cheats, and scamers big enough to drive a truck through, and wreck a lot of peoples day....

And sure this makes kids that don't have melt-downs, or cranky behavoir, or potty break problems..... suffer as they watch and wonder why that kid is getting to move to the front of the line.

And for all the 100's of people that aren't standing next to the family (that left and returned to the line) well... all those people can wonder if they just got scammed or why this person passing them is so special...maybe they are famous or a star?

But .....you see, it takes a village to raise a small child. Parents with perfect childern and couples who are young at heart or do not choose to have kids need to understand this.

Sorry folks, but cranky kids, and pee-pee dancing kids , are just going to cause ripples in the most Magical Place on Earth

Okay?

And you single people without kids are the worst!
Time you put in some effort, and stop enjoying yourself all the time . It is hard to be a parent, kids are not sweet-hearts 100% of the time. Lets all work harder, its not easy

Disney has left this issue to be worked-out by us.... the little people

Disney could solve this thing tommorow with a $2 sign setting the rules one-way-or-the-other but they don't. Now lets all work together and come up with rules that work for both camps

 

[Teacher03]

If you had an abnormally long wait to get the FPs, and you still wound up only 10 minutes behind your family, then I am forced to wonder - why couldn't your family wait that ten minutes while you got the FPs so you could all wait together?

If it upset you so much to see kids push through the line at Kali, why would you push through the line at EE?

Maybe you think it's okay to "catch up" after getting FPs, but I consider that line cutting - you WERE NEVER IN THE LINE and yet you feel that it's okay to push past others who ARE in the line. Why? Because somebody you know happens to be farther up in the line.

Why not simply let your family wait while you get your FPs? Or maybe let them go to the bathroom while you get the FPs (which would reduce the possibility of your kids needing to get out of line to go)?

I don't think he pushed through the line.....he said he wasn't comfortable doing this and that is why he rode alone. The teens jumped a bush to get ahead of others which is completely different. I don't understand your hostility.

 

[LindsayDunn228]

Why not simply let your family wait while you get your FPs? Or maybe let them go to the bathroom while you get the FPs (which would reduce the possibility of your kids needing to get out of line to go)?

Because that would be far too easy of a solution

 

[bstnsprts]

On another note, you might want to look into TGM (Tour Guide Mike) to avoid ever waiting in a line longer than 20 minutes. A 60 minute wait can be a thing of the past for you - actually, there are tons of strategies that you can put into action just by surfing these boards. Good luck & enjoy your next trip!

Don't know why you posted this because I never complained about waiting in a line. Maybe you should post that advice for the people that can't wait in line. Do you work for TGM? What would TGM say for this scenario. You head to Playhouse Disney to see if you can get into the next show. Starts in 15 minutes and from past experience judging the size of the line you know that you will get in for the next show. You wait 15 minutes, the doors open, and 100 people jump to the front of the line to reclaim their so called saved spots. My family gets within 10 people of the door, CM puts the rope up and we do not get in. My expected 15 minute wait just turned into 60 minutes because of people getting out of line and cutting back in.

 

[Spectro is #1]

There are so many ways to respond to this thread....



I'm sorry, but I don't feel one bit sorry for you. You were at Disney World last week!!! Last week, I was going to visit my teenage son every day in the psychiatric hospital while he was there for severe depression and suicide prevention. I would have let anyone cut the line in front of me all day long, because just being there with him and the rest of my family would have been heaven instead of what we were (and still are) going through.

So based on this logic all things are relative to this issue? I should only compare all things to my biggest problem ever? And while you were in the hospital someones house was on fire, a child died in a car wreck, millions are starving in another country. I don't feel sorry for you!

Line jumping is frustrating because we know it is wrong. I agree you need to pick your battles and Disney should do that for you. Lets just say "screw it, no big deal" let everyone do what ever they want, who cares?

I think lawlessness is a wonderful thing.

And is it a big deal to have to wait 10 more minutes more? No but would it have been a big deal for those people to wait for their families?

Sometimes line jumping is a case of a child who needs to go to the bathroom while in line and that is understandable. However two of three groups of people going to meet up with their family is a bit much.

Lets all play nice and follow the rules this way no one gets hurt.

 

[maxiesmom]

Almost right away, 1000 people get out of line to rest, go to the bathroom, get a drink, whatever
Current wait: 10 minutes
100 people enter the attraction; your wait time is now five minutes
Those 1000 people return (yes, they were all immediately in front of you )
New wait time 55 minutes

Just a slight exaggeration here

 

[WillCAD]

I don't think he pushed through the line.....he said he wasn't comfortable doing this and that is why he rode alone. The teens jumped a bush to get ahead of others which is completely different. I don't understand your hostility.

Clydenora's comment was "The line was too long for me to be comfortable trying to catch up to my family." I infered from that statement that if the line were shorter, he/she WOULD have tried to catch up with the family.

My comments weren't meant to be hostile, they were meant to point out that I disaprove of people catching up to family and friends who didn't have the patience or courtesy to wait for you while you had to do something else. They were also meant to point out that there were viable and even useful alternatives to this action available to everyone.

 

[#1_Donald_Duck_Fan]

I totally disagree....people aren't given respect because of their age..they have to EARN it

I do agree with your statment here. A persons age shouldn't equal automatic respect.

the only people who get to move ahead in the line are wheelchair people....which if they were walking, they shouldn't have had special treatment.

Ok here is where we differ

Just because a person is in a wheelchair doesn't mean they need special treatment. Plenty of people end up using a wheelchair (especialy at Disney) that don't really need to. You can't tell who really needs it and who dosen't.

Also just because a person is walking dosen't mean they don't need special treatment.

Example: I have Cystic Fibrosis my lung percent is 32% it is hard for me to stand in long lines because of low bone density. I rarely use (if ever) a wheelchair (my own personal choice) But that dosen't mean I don't need special treatment in these situations.

I'm not saying a person in a wheelchair shouldn't be allowed special treatment but I think your wrong and misinformed in you views that "because a person can walk they don't warent special treatment"

-Mike

 

[disneyfan61]

Well we will be in Disney in 4 days!!! I will not allow line cutters (unless it is a little one that had to go) & I will stand my ground!!!(all 5' of me)

 

[letterdavidman]

well personally, if i have waited a long time, ie 40 minutes in line, and there is a long time left to wait, those who see me exit the line and then reenter will remember. if they have a problem with it, well i guess that their lack of compassion. not mine.

i like to give the benefit of the doubt to people. there is too much negatvie in human nature, however, that sometimes u give the benefit of doubt to those that take advantage.

there will be someone who takes advantage regardless of the situation. I am just trying to convey to some of you that there can be reasons, legitimate. it happens. one person who leaves the line to come back to the line, is COMPLETELY different than a group of people who decide to go up because they see someone they know, or because they wanted to go for lunch while so and so waited in line, or because one person ran ahead of the entire group to get in line....

Just curious, are you aware that your posts are near-perfect illustrations of the "me-first-I'm-better-than-you" entitlement attitude being discussed by so many in this thread?

I mean, be reasonable. I have been known to have issues, from time to time, with having to practically make a mad dash to the restroom while I'm smack dab in the middle of some WDW queue, and I'm 36. Now, do I expect my DW to stand there and guard my place in line like a sentinel 'til I make it back? Why, of course not! So what makes you more entitled to having your place in line saved for you than me?

Hmm?

(Again, just curious.)

 

[kaytieeldr]

Just a slight exaggeration here

Ya think? But at 11 on a Saturday night, it's easier to work in extreme numbers, since I was doing the calculations in my head

 

[letterdavidman]

Your insult towards the above poster was really a low blow. Accusing her of not "parenting" because her two year old needs to move around is narrow minded at best . You don't know her child, or her situation for that matter.

Just an example (not intended to imply that this is your situation): One with a behavioral background would argue that a young child, reared by fear, would likely react in a submissive, docile manner - no matter what is happening inside her head - because the alternative is to risk the wrath of a volitile parent. Whereas a child who has been taught to appropriately express her feelings, would feel free to express them.

Infants, toddlers and pre-schoolers are not just little adults. They can be taught perfectly wonderful manners, and still have moments of childlike behavior as well. I think it's much more disturbing to see an adult flip out.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I weep for the current youth generation. (But I must add that, as one who has worked with children for nigh on ten years now, this attitude is depressingly more or less the parenting norm, nowadays. )

 

[heaven2dc]

I am complete agreement with the OP in that it's so frustrating to have entire families cut in line ahead of you to catch up with that possibly one person holding a space for them while they were either finishing a meal, taking a bathroom break or just catching up in the park. I've seen at other amusement parks, theatres, etc. where one or two will get in line "holding" a place for a zillion others to catch up (slight exaggeration so no tongue lashing please!!).

As far as the elderly women, I agree they were extremely rude, they didn't "deserve or earn their right" to jump ahead. If they had asked politely, no problem - I probably would have let them thru because I don't like being beaten with a cane but it would have been difficult to especially after being given the finger. Wow - when did our society dump into the garbage pits? (never mind, it's been going there for years....just can't believe it happens at our beloved WDW!!)

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I am sorry if this has been said already as I just skimmed through this thread but I cannot stand line cutters!!!!! If you are going to get on line then your WHOLE party should get on together unless you have some sort of situation such as a diability or perhaps an active toddler that you are letting run a bit so the line wait wil be a little more pleasant. If I have to witness one more group of teenagers or adults that send one person on line and then magically 10-15 people show up as the line gets close I swear I will burst!!! I totally agree with picking your battles but my kids have been waiting their turn and they should do the same. Do you know how many times I have had to explain to them why these people cut the line? They are young I should add (3,2,6months currently) -not that it matters if they are kids or adults waiting but I am so sick of people condoning rudeness. JMHO.

 

[bobbiwoz]

This happened at AK in the safari line. I have a friend who has a condition and needs to use the facilities more often than usual, and her need can happen nearly immediately after using the facilities. The wonderful CM allowed us to leave where the stroller area was and allowed us back in the line at the same place, when we explained the situation. She HAD just used the facilities before we got in line.

I am glad that she didn't have to rely on the kindness of strangers, I can see all sorts of negative vibes going her/our way, the CM was cordial and professional to us.

Of course, not all attractions have something so convenient as the stroller "parking area." It seems that many of you wouldn't want my DFriend on any rides.

Bobbi