so your feelings on a teen's baby shower?

For those of you putting a scarlet letter on the teen mom -- you know who you are -- when do they get to remove it?

Never. They never get to remove it. And unfortunately, neither does the child. Statistics easily become self-fulfilling prophecy when adults look at a child as "the child of a teen mom" and let that bias their thinking.
 
Lol the thing is that not having some jugmental old lady is not going to "teach" any teen aomething. Can uou imagine a party that involved aime of the types ofnprople here? That would be a barrel of fun.

I have been to some teen showers. I have never seen the girls artending run out and get oregnsnt so they could have a party. Most of the situations have turned out ok. Bug they involve strong family, church and friends. Frankly these are the same support dtstens i counted on raising mg kids too.
 
I was the teen mom. My family did give me a shower. My friends came and my 2 young cousins along with my family. Nothing was glamorized at all. I kept my son and my family had no other choice but to accept the situation and eventually look forward to him being born. So it was a celebration of a new life. If anything me having a baby was a big lesson to my friends and cousins. They saw how hard it was for me. My one cousin to this day says that was the very best birth control ever. My son is now 18 and in college and just a good kid. I'm very happy with the choice I made.
 
I know a mom in her 40s who is like this. Not all teen moms are irresponsible like that.

And to the poster who made the comments about girlfriends oohhh & aaahhhh on Facebook over baby pictures posted, I have to say so what? Only married adult moms (who didn't get pg or have sex before marriage) get to post their baby pics? I think most teen girls aren't looking at the pics of adorable babies and planning on a way to get pg. There may be some teens who plan a pg but I would guess the majority of teens who get pg don't plan it. However, I know a few women in their 30s who planned on getting pg without being married, or had the financial means to support that child. Where are their scarlet letters?

This would actually be a bigger dilemma for me than the teen in the "oops" scenario based on how strongly I believe that children deserve two parents.
 

Yep if it is a party for the mom telling her how great this is. Congratulating her on getting pregnant. Indirectly saying this was a wonderful idea.

A gift for the innocent child is not throwing her a party.

I assume this means you think the teen is somehow guilty?

As for the question of whether a single shower will make teen pregnancy seem contagiously fun, I clearly remember being a teen, and I seriously doubt a little cake and a couple games would convince me I wanted to have a baby. As for her friends playing along, what would be preferable--that they sit around, cluck their tongues, and shake their heads? Of course they seem happy for her--they're being supportive. That doesn't mean they'd exchange their freedom and their immediate futures for some confetti and cupcakes.
 
I would go to such a shower gladly. What I feel about this situation is of no relevance. It's the business of the girl and her family and possibly the father. I would go to bring a gift for the baby and not to judge anyone.

I feel the same way about the mother who chooses to have a baby without being married. Two parents would be ideal but there are plenty of excellent single parents out there.
 
Do we really need another teen pregnancy baby shower thread? It is always the same posters coming out complaining, verbalizing over and over about how awful teen mothers are. These same posters always write about how teen moms should be shamed into the dark little corner because of their sins, and how those pregnant teens will taint the rest of the adolescent community around them by tricking those sweet teenagers into thinking that pregnancy is the pinnacle of middle or high school achievement.

It is boring and honestly, we have heard your opinion over and over. Where is my "beating a dead horse" icon?

What is done is done. How long should the mom and baby be punished? Should her baby sleep in a drawer instead of a bassinet because the mom (and therefore the baby) doesn't deserve it? Should the mom forgo homework, drop out of school, and work an extra job to buy those baby essentials that might be given to her at that small shower because she just doesn't deserve it? What other things can we come up with to shame the girl? What can she do to show her repentance? What you are basically saying is that teen mothers are undeserving. Shameful. Unredeemable. Deserving of punishment.

How about it, ladies? How long should mom and baby be punished? Months? Years? Generations?

Remember - in your mother's and grandmother's generation, getting pregnant at 15, 16, and 17 was not unusual. In fact, getting married at a young age and having an "early" or "premature" baby was quite common. Did you realize that was probably a shotgun wedding? Several of you posting on this thread probably come from a direct line of at least 1 teen mother if you go back and look at your family tree. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You want to know my thinking on this one? Statistics from the CDC show that most teenagers today have had sex by the time of high school graduation. The teen girls that get pregnant? They are the unlucky ones. Maybe this girl had sex 1 time and became pregnant. Maybe she has many peers who have sex regularly, and they have not been pregnant at all. What makes them different? This girl happened to be unlucky enough that sperm met egg on the night she decided to engage in intercourse and conceived this child. It only takes 1 time.

If this girl had access to contraceptives - maybe the condom broke. Maybe she missed a birth control pill or was on antibiotics when she conceived. Or maybe she did not have access to this protection at all. Maybe her peers, on the other hand, do have access and use it. Or worse - how would you feel if you knew that there was a rash of rampant abortions in her peer group, and this girl decided to keep her baby and give it a chance at life?

Take your pick. In the end, we know close to nothing about this young woman's circumstances. It is a message board posting. Think about what you have tried to portray as being "morally acceptable". Then think about how much you have contradicted yourself based upon what you have written here. Maybe then you will climb down from that high horse before you beat it to death.
 
Just happened on this thread-- I am sad to read some of these posts, and first and foremost want to address the moms out there that have felt helpless and alone. I am sad that you have ever felt shame. Life is to be celebrated, and there is no rewind button on life. The baby is there--That is undeniable. What is left? Support the mom, support the baby with love. I work in my Catholic church ministry giving out diapers, wipes, clothes, etc every three days. There is always hope and always love to be found.
 
I totally agree with the above. Its not a joyous event. Would I sent a gift? Yes. The baby and the mother can use all the help they can get. However, I would not attend the shower, nor would I throw one, or post pics of the event on facebook/instagram.
I agree 100%. I would only give the essentials. Babies really don't need a ton anyway. Stores like babies r us make you think you do though.;)
 
Just happened on this thread-- I am sad to read some of these posts, and first and foremost want to address the moms out there that have felt helpless and alone. I am sad that you have ever felt shame. Life is to be celebrated, and there is no rewind button on life. The baby is there--That is undeniable. What is left? Support the mom, support the baby with love. I work in my Catholic church ministry giving out diapers, wipes, clothes, etc every three days. There is always hope and always love to be found.

:flower3:
 
Do we really need another teen pregnancy baby shower thread? It is always the same posters coming out complaining, verbalizing over and over about how awful teen mothers are. These same posters always write about how teen moms should be shamed into the dark little corner because of their sins, and how those pregnant teens will taint the rest of the adolescent community around them by tricking those sweet teenagers into thinking that pregnancy is the pinnacle of middle or high school achievement.

It is boring and honestly, we have heard your opinion over and over. Where is my "beating a dead horse" icon?

What is done is done. How long should the mom and baby be punished? Should her baby sleep in a drawer instead of a bassinet because the mom (and therefore the baby) doesn't deserve it? Should the mom forgo homework, drop out of school, and work an extra job to buy those baby essentials that might be given to her at that small shower because she just doesn't deserve it? What other things can we come up with to shame the girl? What can she do to show her repentance? What you are basically saying is that teen mothers are undeserving. Shameful. Unredeemable. Deserving of punishment.

How about it, ladies? How long should mom and baby be punished? Months? Years? Generations?

Remember - in your mother's and grandmother's generation, getting pregnant at 15, 16, and 17 was not unusual. In fact, getting married at a young age and having an "early" or "premature" baby was quite common. Did you realize that was probably a shotgun wedding? Several of you posting on this thread probably come from a direct line of at least 1 teen mother if you go back and look at your family tree. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You want to know my thinking on this one? Statistics from the CDC show that most teenagers today have had sex by the time of high school graduation. The teen girls that get pregnant? They are the unlucky ones. Maybe this girl had sex 1 time and became pregnant. Maybe she has many peers who have sex regularly, and they have not been pregnant at all. What makes them different? This girl happened to be unlucky enough that sperm met egg on the night she decided to engage in intercourse and conceived this child. It only takes 1 time.

If this girl had access to contraceptives - maybe the condom broke. Maybe she missed a birth control pill or was on antibiotics when she conceived. Or maybe she did not have access to this protection at all. Maybe her peers, on the other hand, do have access and use it. Or worse - how would you feel if you knew that there was a rash of rampant abortions in her peer group, and this girl decided to keep her baby and give it a chance at life?

Take your pick. In the end, we know close to nothing about this young woman's circumstances. It is a message board posting. Think about what you have tried to portray as being "morally acceptable". Then think about how much you have contradicted yourself based upon what you have written here. Maybe then you will climb down from that high horse before you beat it to death.

Great post, it seems like some people would like us to go back to the good old days when girls where forced to give their children up no matter how much pain it caused.
 
I agree 100%. I would only give the essentials. Babies really don't need a ton anyway. Stores like babies r us make you think you do though.;)

Lol so you always want and give practical gifts. Christmas must suck at your place. Because I can't imagine your family really needing much. Socks and undies for all.
 
Do we really need another teen pregnancy baby shower thread? It is always the same posters coming out complaining, verbalizing over and over about how awful teen mothers are. These same posters always write about how teen moms should be shamed into the dark little corner because of their sins, and how those pregnant teens will taint the rest of the adolescent community around them by tricking those sweet teenagers into thinking that pregnancy is the pinnacle of middle or high school achievement.

It is boring and honestly, we have heard your opinion over and over. Where is my "beating a dead horse" icon?

What is done is done. How long should the mom and baby be punished? Should her baby sleep in a drawer instead of a bassinet because the mom (and therefore the baby) doesn't deserve it? Should the mom forgo homework, drop out of school, and work an extra job to buy those baby essentials that might be given to her at that small shower because she just doesn't deserve it? What other things can we come up with to shame the girl? What can she do to show her repentance? What you are basically saying is that teen mothers are undeserving. Shameful. Unredeemable. Deserving of punishment.

How about it, ladies? How long should mom and baby be punished? Months? Years? Generations?

Remember - in your mother's and grandmother's generation, getting pregnant at 15, 16, and 17 was not unusual. In fact, getting married at a young age and having an "early" or "premature" baby was quite common. Did you realize that was probably a shotgun wedding? Several of you posting on this thread probably come from a direct line of at least 1 teen mother if you go back and look at your family tree. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You want to know my thinking on this one? Statistics from the CDC show that most teenagers today have had sex by the time of high school graduation. The teen girls that get pregnant? They are the unlucky ones. Maybe this girl had sex 1 time and became pregnant. Maybe she has many peers who have sex regularly, and they have not been pregnant at all. What makes them different? This girl happened to be unlucky enough that sperm met egg on the night she decided to engage in intercourse and conceived this child. It only takes 1 time.

If this girl had access to contraceptives - maybe the condom broke. Maybe she missed a birth control pill or was on antibiotics when she conceived. Or maybe she did not have access to this protection at all. Maybe her peers, on the other hand, do have access and use it. Or worse - how would you feel if you knew that there was a rash of rampant abortions in her peer group, and this girl decided to keep her baby and give it a chance at life?

Take your pick. In the end, we know close to nothing about this young woman's circumstances. It is a message board posting. Think about what you have tried to portray as being "morally acceptable". Then think about how much you have contradicted yourself based upon what you have written here. Maybe then you will climb down from that high horse before you beat it to death.

Best post ever!
 
Do we really need another teen pregnancy baby shower thread? It is always the same posters coming out complaining, verbalizing over and over about how awful teen mothers are. These same posters always write about how teen moms should be shamed into the dark little corner because of their sins, and how those pregnant teens will taint the rest of the adolescent community around them by tricking those sweet teenagers into thinking that pregnancy is the pinnacle of middle or high school achievement.

It is boring and honestly, we have heard your opinion over and over. Where is my "beating a dead horse" icon?

What is done is done. How long should the mom and baby be punished? Should her baby sleep in a drawer instead of a bassinet because the mom (and therefore the baby) doesn't deserve it? Should the mom forgo homework, drop out of school, and work an extra job to buy those baby essentials that might be given to her at that small shower because she just doesn't deserve it? What other things can we come up with to shame the girl? What can she do to show her repentance? What you are basically saying is that teen mothers are undeserving. Shameful. Unredeemable. Deserving of punishment.

How about it, ladies? How long should mom and baby be punished? Months? Years? Generations?

Remember - in your mother's and grandmother's generation, getting pregnant at 15, 16, and 17 was not unusual. In fact, getting married at a young age and having an "early" or "premature" baby was quite common. Did you realize that was probably a shotgun wedding? Several of you posting on this thread probably come from a direct line of at least 1 teen mother if you go back and look at your family tree. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

You want to know my thinking on this one? Statistics from the CDC show that most teenagers today have had sex by the time of high school graduation. The teen girls that get pregnant? They are the unlucky ones. Maybe this girl had sex 1 time and became pregnant. Maybe she has many peers who have sex regularly, and they have not been pregnant at all. What makes them different? This girl happened to be unlucky enough that sperm met egg on the night she decided to engage in intercourse and conceived this child. It only takes 1 time.

If this girl had access to contraceptives - maybe the condom broke. Maybe she missed a birth control pill or was on antibiotics when she conceived. Or maybe she did not have access to this protection at all. Maybe her peers, on the other hand, do have access and use it. Or worse - how would you feel if you knew that there was a rash of rampant abortions in her peer group, and this girl decided to keep her baby and give it a chance at life?

Take your pick. In the end, we know close to nothing about this young woman's circumstances. It is a message board posting. Think about what you have tried to portray as being "morally acceptable". Then think about how much you have contradicted yourself based upon what you have written here. Maybe then you will climb down from that high horse before you beat it to death.

Over react much? You got all of this because someone said they don't like showers for teen mom's. You have way too much time on your hands if you got all that from reading between the lines here.

And interesting how you are all calling some of these posters judgmental. I have never seen a bigger bunch of judgmental people than here. Pot, meet Kettle :rotfl2:
 
Great post, it seems like some people would like us to go back to the good old days when girls where forced to give their children up no matter how much pain it caused.

...and speaking of posters who always bang the same old drum...this is a thread about baby showers, not the "evils" of adoption.
 
...and speaking of posters who always bang the same old drum...this is a thread about baby showers, not the "evils" of adoption.

But adoption certainly comes into it when posters say things like:

If so many people weren't giving showers and telling her it will be fine then maybe a lot more of these children that get pregnant would do the best thing for themselves and the baby and realize they are ill equipped to raise a child at 15 and put the child up for adoption.

That certainly does seem to advocate going back to a time when girls were pressured or forced to give up their babies. Adoption is a wonderful choice... if and only if it is freely chosen. And it is a big risk for the mother-to-be if she's 100% sure she doesn't want to parent because there's always the possibility that the father will withhold his consent (and with teens that gets even more complicated because of the influence of the grandparents-to-be; I've seen more than one case where a young father refused to consent to adoption because his parents told him not to). It isn't something that should be forced, or presented so casually as the One. Right. Choice.
 
But adoption certainly comes into it when posters say things like:



That certainly does seem to advocate going back to a time when girls were pressured or forced to give up their babies. Adoption is a wonderful choice... if and only if it is freely chosen. And it is a big risk for the mother-to-be if she's 100% sure she doesn't want to parent because there's always the possibility that the father will withhold his consent (and with teens that gets even more complicated because of the influence of the grandparents-to-be; I've seen more than one case where a young father refused to consent to adoption because his parents told him not to). It isn't something that should be forced, or presented so casually as the One. Right. Choice.

As an adoptee, a birth parent and formerly a volunteer adoption facilitator, I am well aware of the many aspects to an adoption. I'm just tired of Paula's implication that the first two must have left me irreparably broken and the third makes me some kind of villain.
 
I have no issue going to a baby shower regardless of the age of the mother or any other 'issue' pertaining to the parents.

For me a baby is a baby is a baby. No matter what, they are a happy event for me and I would definitely be one of the first to make sure that I send or give a gift. I try not to think to hard about what people's intentions are. Lets face it there are children born to teen parents that are loved and given a good life because the whole family is involved, and there are some who are not. But I have seen children born to adults in their 30's who I have wondered why they thought it wouldn't change their life. Even grown up's sometimes should not have children.

So, yeah, I would attend and give a gift.

Kelly
 
I assume this means you think the teen is somehow guilty?.
Of course they are. Don't you know all teen moms are outrageously promiscuous? ;)

But honestly, this is really a pervasive thought and what I believe is responsible for most of the shaming and deeming them "undeserving" of things like showers. How dare they be "rewarded" for their immoral behavior. In my experience, both personal and working with young mothers, many are the result of "one time" pressure or sexual assault, but everyone assumes they must have been "sleeping around" to get pregnant-- not exactly how biology works. It's just that they are often the ones who are not on birth control (because they're not sexually active) and decide to carry a pregnancy to term.

Over react much? You got all of this because someone said they don't like showers for teen mom's. You have way too much time on your hands if you got all that from reading between the lines here.
That poster's response was not only to this particular thread, but to all the past threads on the topic.

This topic seems to come up every few months an some of the posts have been extremely harsh.

As an adoptee, a birth parent and formerly a volunteer adoption facilitator, I am well aware of the many aspects to an adoption. I'm just tired of Paula's implication that the first two must have left me irreparably broken and the third makes me some kind of villain.
I read Paula's post to be only directed at forced adoption, not adoption in general.

Adoption is seen as a wonderful blessing in my family and I could even imagine choosing to be a birth parent myself depending on the circumstance, but having a child that I intended to keep ripped from my arms and never to be seen again (as was a common practice for teens) would be a traumatizing experience that would likely cause lifelong issues for me. Just because I believe that practice is heart-breakingly cruel does not mean that I have negative thoughts or judgement toward adoption.
 
That poster's response was not only to this particular thread, but to all the past threads on the topic.

This topic seems to come up every few months an some of the posts have been extremely harsh.

Exactly :thumbsup2 This topic comes up a few times a year and a few of the same posters seem very judgmental over and over again on the topic. I also agree with you that people tend to be judging the young mothers as being promiscuous, when my experience mirrors yours and the girls are not having sex more often than many of their peers, and often they are having it less often.
I read Paula's post to be only directed at forced adoption, not adoption in general.

This poster has a very long history of being highly opposed to adoption in general, under pretty much any circumstances. Much like the earlier quote you replied to was referencing many threads on this topic, the quote you referenced here was probably taking into account Paula's long standing history on the topic throughout many threads.
 












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