So... Where is the next DVC resort going to be?

[Deb & Bill]

I wish they would eliminate all booking categories. I hated it when they added the "Near HH" for OKW. That means now that you might not get your stay if they have 3 nights near HH and 4 nights non-near HH. Any other time that would be seven nights wherever at OKW.

 

[Dean]

I wish they would eliminate all booking categories. I hated it when they added the "Near HH" for OKW. That means now that you might not get your stay if they have 3 nights near HH and 4 nights non-near HH. Any other time that would be seven nights wherever at OKW.

I think that's a pretty unusual situation and really more of a theoretical problem than a real one when booking appropriately ahead, esp with the current rules where you can book up to 7 days at one pop and particularly at OKW. Given my focus is always going to be on what's best for the owners at a given resort and feel that other DVC owners who don't own at that resort should always be the ones that are left out when there is a choice to make. Certainly it's a possibility at the resorts with smaller numbers of such units in a given category with AKV concierge being the poster child for that situation.

 

[famgel]

Perhaps it will be.....

Disney's Lunar Tic Bay Resort

GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!!!:

P.S. I'm in!

 

[iwrbnd]

I hope the DC one happens! And my boys would love a Colorado one!

 

[zalansky]

I have a friend who lives in the DC area, not too far from the land that has been marked with DVC signs. She told me that its not even that close to DC itself and also - its in a bad part of town. Can anyone confirm that? when I heard there was going to be one there, I envisioned something right in the heart of DC, not in a bad part of town 30 minutes away.

 

[kristie03]

National Harbor is not in the heart of DC, however, it isn't really that far away either.... I also wouldn't say its in a bad part of town. The area perhaps used to be a bit blech, but the area has gone through a massive transformation....this is the website

http://www.nationalharbor.com/consumer/home.htm

 

[Dean]

I have a friend who lives in the DC area, not too far from the land that has been marked with DVC signs. She told me that its not even that close to DC itself and also - its in a bad part of town. Can anyone confirm that? when I heard there was going to be one there, I envisioned something right in the heart of DC, not in a bad part of town 30 minutes away.

It's not a bad part of town but it's off the metro and not that easy to get to without a car or shuttle. It's actually a very nice area, basically a self contained manufactured convention area with a few upscale shops, some nice hotels including the Gaylord and some very nice if not relatively expensive restaurants (ketchup, McCormick and Schmict (? sp) and the like.

 

[sissy_42]

National Harbor is not in the heart of DC, however, it isn't really that far away either.... I also wouldn't say its in a bad part of town. The area perhaps used to be a bit blech, but the area has gone through a massive transformation....this is the website

http://www.nationalharbor.com/consumer/home.htm

One of the frames on the scroll on the front page says "National Harbor welcomes Disney" Then the article goes on to talk about Disney's purchase of land there. I'm excited as I have wanted to visit DC for years and I may have an excuse soon.

 

[MarvelousMadamMimm]

Do you suppose there is any pressure to keep a certain ratio of off-property: on-property points? I mean, if lots of resorts are built outside the world, theoretically it could become extremely difficult to get a reservation at one of the WDW resorts if you didn't own there. And, honestly, isn't part of the allure of owning a DVC resort anywhere the option of staying at WDW at least now and then?

F'rinstance, will they need to follow Aulani with another on-property resort, just to keep WDW accessible to owners at HHI, VB, and Aulani?

Personally, I don't really see the DC project as likely to be part of the DVC, except as the "Disney Collection." Yes, there are people that love the city, but I'm not sure there is really a huge market for it as an annual vacation property. Unless there's somebody on the Board who's still so married to the old "Disney's Great America" concept that they're insisting on keeping part of it alive.

I do agree, too, with the general consensus that a new on-property resort needs to be one of two things:

1. Either very convenient to the parks -

There are the famous "resorts that never were," after all, and one wonders if any of those bits and pieces could be salvaged:
land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/2009/07/hotels_that_never_were_at_walt_1.html

The ever-popular suggestions of DVC additions at the Poly or GF. (Last Dec it seemed that the Poly was looking a wee bit faded.. would refurb time be a good time to move some of the hotel rooms into villas?)

I've heard it suggested that there are some potential sites on the EPCOT monorail loop.

The hubs keeps hoping for a 30's/40's Hollywood themed hotel near DHS. ;-) I'm thinkin' he's dreaming.

2. - So elaborately and exuberant themed as to be nearly an attraction unto itself. I know a lot of people like SSR - but just stopping in for a tour we were a little floored by the distance, the inconvenience (Well, it WAS raining - all day long), and the fact that it seemed more a like a hotel anywhere than at Disney specifically. I can see it for those who often don't do the parks or don't do them much. I can really see it for golfers. AKV, OTOH, seems to have more of an appeal for BOTH park-goers and people who want to just stay at the resort and soak up the atmosphere. One wonders, however, how they would top that, in a manner of speaking. OK, we've done live animals.... now what?

After all, the rest of the resorts in the system are all based on a real time and place.... so, what time and place could allow them to build something whose internal attractions (dining, pool, theme, activities) might outweigh inconvenience due to location?

Hee. It's a favorite topic at home.

While I'm fairly sure that the upcoming webcast portion featuring the Imagineer discussing the future of WDW is going to be on the Fantasy Land expansion... one can't help sort of hoping it's a new resort, instead!

 

[PinkTink63]

That's your opinion. My family loves SSR. There are not endless corridors to navigate to get to my room....after I've walked a mile from the parking lot! It may be huge but I don't have an entire hotel full of guests walking past my room. The theming is a nice break after the in your face characters all day. The fact that SSR is close to DTD and a bunch of retail, restaurants and entertainment suits me fine.

Thank you! I was thinking just that after I read the previous post! The OP made it sound like the resort is 50 miles away from the parks! I just don't know why people can't believe that there are many of us that really like SSR! I think that all of the resorts have something to offer! There are also good and not so good things at all of them, as well.

 

[Tigger031266]

I vote for a cruise ship DVC. Higher points but I think it would sell very quickly.

I personally would like a DC DVC but I really really think it would be a poor seller. I dont think people would want DC as a home resort.

I would forget any talk of a westward strategy. DVC will build where they can get the most dollars NOW. I bet another BLT tower, Grand Floridian or Poly.

A cruise DVC could go for $150pp, BLT for $110pp, Poly $120pp and $GF120pp

 

[DVCAustralia]

Clearly the economy has made any sales projections by DVD during construction of the existing resorts redundant, it is a matter of taking cover and hoping for the best in terms of selling out AKV and GCV as well as selling SSR points again due to the treehouses. It must be incredibly frustrating to the guides that having sold out SSR just before the major downturn they are now lumped with more SSR points to sell, which by extension makes selling out AKV that much more difficult. Obviously selling out BLT would not be a problem if it was the sole focus.
Until WDW gets closer to sell out it would be a brave call to add any other resorts to the sales roster, however planning and construction is different. Obviously they must have something to replace the existing inventory and it is likely to be another tower at Contemporary if possible, otherwise the take over of existing rooms or addition of new rooms at Poly and/or GF. These latter options would also provide a sales surge in add-ons as they would be unique. Keep in mind that DVD seems to be a good side business going in buying up 2042 OKW contracts and selling 2057 contracts to the public and this may extend to the other 2042 contracts in the medium term.
As for outside WDW, with National Harbour as the exception I do not expect ANY new DVC for years as HI will keep them very busy for at least a few years.
As for other Disney parks, Tokyo is out as they do not own it and anyway I do not think timeshare is even allowed in Japan, Hong Kong is out as they only own some of it and there are significant land restrictions, Shanghai is a possibility but this is years away at the earliest, and they had their chance at Paris and blew it when Marriott took the opportunity. It is still an option but given Marriott is already there, they only own some of it, and Europe is in even more of a mess than the US I highly doubt it would ever happen.

 

[Dean]

Clearly the economy has made any sales projections by DVD during construction of the existing resorts redundant, it is a matter of taking cover and hoping for the best in terms of selling out AKV and GCV as well as selling SSR points again due to the treehouses. It must be incredibly frustrating to the guides that having sold out SSR just before the major downturn they are now lumped with more SSR points to sell, which by extension makes selling out AKV that much more difficult. Obviously selling out BLT would not be a problem if it was the sole focus.
Until WDW gets closer to sell out it would be a brave call to add any other resorts to the sales roster, however planning and construction is different. Obviously they must have something to replace the existing inventory and it is likely to be another tower at Contemporary if possible, otherwise the take over of existing rooms or addition of new rooms at Poly and/or GF. These latter options would also provide a sales surge in add-ons as they would be unique. Keep in mind that DVD seems to be a good side business going in buying up 2042 OKW contracts and selling 2057 contracts to the public and this may extend to the other 2042 contracts in the medium term.
As for outside WDW, with National Harbour as the exception I do not expect ANY new DVC for years as HI will keep them very busy for at least a few years.
As for other Disney parks, Tokyo is out as they do not own it and anyway I do not think timeshare is even allowed in Japan, Hong Kong is out as they only own some of it and there are significant land restrictions, Shanghai is a possibility but this is years away at the earliest, and they had their chance at Paris and blew it when Marriott took the opportunity. It is still an option but given Marriott is already there, they only own some of it, and Europe is in even more of a mess than the US I highly doubt it would ever happen.

I know RCI has a number of timeshares in Japan but I don't know if new ones are allowed. Given it takes years to plan and build such a resort, that a desirable resort helps current sales, and that we're already well into the sales phase of both AKV and BLT; I don't think those resorts would deter an off property resort that makes sense otherwise. I could see the economy itself holding up a possible project but not the current sales situation.

 

[DISNEY FIX]

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Poly.

 

[TLPL]

I think the next DVC resort will be at original Disneyland Hotel. If they want more people to buy at DLR they can't have just one resort there. People may be worry about not be able to make reservation at their own home resort since most of the people staying there now are owners of WDW's resorts. They need to have more DVC options there if they want it to success.

 

[JasonDVC]

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Poly.

ahem...

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Grand Floridian.

 

[mnra]

ahem...

Give the people what they want and get something done at the Grand Floridian.

Give people what they want and lower maintenance cost lol

 

[Dean]

Give people what they want and lower maintenance cost lol

I don't think many people here would be happy with what is entailed in cutting maint fees. The easy things would be things like no T & T, minimum stays, pay to play for services not currently set up that way like fees to bank/borrow, less bus service, no 24 onsite front desk and many more such issues.

 

[mnra]

I don't think many people here would be happy with what is entailed in cutting maint fees. The easy things would be things like no T & T, minimum stays, pay to play for services not currently set up that way like fees to bank/borrow, less bus service, no 24 onsite front desk and many more such issues.

To start with it was a joke since we know disney only has one way prices and that usually is up. But in all seriousness I am not unhappy with the maintenance fees just that they took my valet away. lol

 

[Dean]

To start with it was a joke since we know disney only has one way prices and that usually is up. But in all seriousness I am not unhappy with the maintenance fees just that they took my valet away. lol

LOL, I'm glad you're OK with fees that are generally 30-40% higher than other timeshares of the same quality.