So what do you personally boycott

[badcramps]

If my religious beliefs are that homosexuality is immoral (they're not in my book) then isn't it intolerant to not respect my beliefs?

I teach college courses for a living and in my field critical thinking is a big issue. And one of the major troubling things my colleagues and I find in student's thinking is exactly the above type of thought--"we must tolerate *everything*" or "everything is relative."

That is ridiculous. Such views would mean that we must tolerate Hitler, genocide, raping babies so long as someone sincerely believes those are good things. Of course we do NOT have to tolerate everything. To tolerate everything would lead to massive violations of rights and massive disrespect.

So no, we do not have tolerate neo-Nazis who say that Jews drink children's blood, or segregationists who insist that blacks are inferior to whites, or people who are anti-gay and insist that gay people are evil/a threat to children/pedophiles/hastening the downfall of civilization. Similarly when individuals or groups actively work to hurt other people--i.e. advocating laws that deny some people rights to their own children or health insurance through their life partner or protection from employment discrimination--why in the world would anyone think we should tolerate those actions?

To put it in terms of your communist friend--sure disagree with him. But if you start giving money to groups that compare him to pedophiles, suggest that he needs "reparative therapy," or deny him rights to his kids or relationship rights with his spouse, would you really call that "respect"?

I don't have a chick-fil-a in my town and generally don't eat meat, so I haven't followed the story on them closely. But just a few minutes of googling seems to reveal much deeper ties to many more anti-gay organizations (organizations that actively campaign for laws denying gay people rights such as Focus on the Family) then you are admitting. I don't have time to fact check ever single google result, but when you get hundreds of thousands of hits saying the same thing you've got to assume either there's something to it, or google is in on a huge conspiracy against chick fil a.

 

[PeterPan09]

Name one organization that is a "Hate Group". And "designated" by whom?

If my religious beliefs are that homosexuality is immoral (they're not in my book) then isn't it intolerant to not respect my beliefs? Or would you rather just label me a hate-monger despite the good works I do for others.

That is exactly what is wrong with this type of agenda. Truett Cathy has a specific policy on not donating to organizations that have a political policy gay marriage, yet the people that attack Chick-fil-a don't care and continue to attack to get press to further their own cause whether or not what they claim has any truth to it. The height of hypocrisy and intolerance.

I will defend the right of anyone to believe what they choose and donate where they choose all day and twice on Sundays. Supporting their rights does NOT mean that I must help them with their donations. I don't go to Chick fil A, but a lot of my friends and co-workers do, and I don't get in their face about it. The only reason I mention it here is because the question was asked directly.

I can find other organizations and other corporations that also do a great deal to help others without having to support those that work actively to deny rights to me and my friends.

 

[Goofyluver]

I teach college courses for a living and in my field critical thinking is a big issue. And one of the major troubling things my colleagues and I find in student's thinking is exactly the above type of thought--"we must tolerate *everything*" or "everything is relative."

That is ridiculous. Such views would mean that we must tolerate Hitler, genocide, raping babies so long as someone sincerely believes those are good things. Of course we do NOT have to tolerate everything. To tolerate everything would lead to massive violations of rights and massive disrespect.

So no, we do not have tolerate neo-Nazis who say that Jews drink children's blood, or segregationists who insist that blacks are inferior to whites, or people who are anti-gay and insist that gay people are evil/a threat to children/pedophiles/hastening the downfall of civilization. Similarly when individuals or groups actively work to hurt other people--i.e. advocating laws that deny some people rights to their own children or health insurance through their life partner or protection from employment discrimination--why in the world would anyone think we should tolerate those actions?

To put it in terms of your communist friend--sure disagree with him. But if you start giving money to groups that compare him to pedophiles, suggest that he needs "reparative therapy," or deny him rights to his kids or relationship rights with his spouse, would you really call that "respect"?

I don't have a chick-fil-a in my town and generally don't eat meat, so I haven't followed the story on them closely. But just a few minutes of googling seems to reveal much deeper ties to many more anti-gay organizations (organizations that actively campaign for laws denying gay people rights such as Focus on the Family) then you are admitting. I don't have time to fact check ever single google result, but when you get hundreds of thousands of hits saying the same thing you've got to assume either there's something to it, or google is in on a huge conspiracy against chick fil a.

There's something to it.

Funny, that organization was one left off the PP's list.

 

[PeterPan09]

And I'm sure someone will find a list of wonderful things that Focus on the Family does to help sick children, puppies...or something that has virtually universal appeal. However, that would not change the other things they're involved in as far as I'm concerned.

It takes a little more work to investigate companies and charities to see where their money goes, but if you have causes that you strongly support I think it's worth the time.

 

[Dr. M]

Name one organization that is a "Hate Group". And "designated" by whom?

If my religious beliefs are that homosexuality is immoral (they're not in my book) then isn't it intolerant to not respect my beliefs? Or would you rather just label me a hate-monger despite the good works I do for others.

That is exactly what is wrong with this type of agenda. Truett Cathy has a specific policy on not donating to organizations that have a political policy gay marriage, yet the people that attack Chick-fil-a don't care and continue to attack to get press to further their own cause whether or not what they claim has any truth to it. The height of hypocrisy and intolerance.

Height of hypocrisy and intolerance is so true! Chik fillet is pro-family and pro-Christian. They are not anti-gay. They would gladly serve a gay person lunch with their exceptional customer service, just as they would anyone else.

The chik fillets where I live are always crowded and no matter how busy, they greet each customer with a smile--very Disney-like and it's the only fast food joint that customarily uses phrases like "it's been my pleasure" when you thank them for serving you.

 

[PeterPan09]

Height of hypocrisy and intolerance is so true! Chik fillet is pro-family and pro-Christian. They are not anti-gay. They would gladly serve a gay person lunch with their exceptional customer service, just as they would anyone else.

The chik fillets where I live are always crowded and no matter how busy, they greet each customer with a smile--very Disney-like and it's the only fast food joint that customarily uses phrases like "it's been my pleasure" when you thank them for serving you.

Did you even bother to read the posts or are you one of those people who sees Christian victims around every corner?

 

[NHdisneylover]

I'm sure I missed many organizations that this generous philanthropist donates to. The massive majority are organizations that focus on promoting children, leadership and strong families. I have a family member that is a communist. The real deal. He wants the government to own everything and make everything equal. He also volunteers his time to help homeless people and Habitat for Humanity. He's a good person that I disagree strongly with. But I don't boycott him from our home because he wants to take away what doesn't belong to him and redistribute it to others less successful.

I would not "boycott" (as in refuse to spend time with) that person, or someone with radically different beliefs in some areas (so long as I lied them for other reasons and they did not insist on going on about the beliefs I totally disagree with all the time). On the other had, I would not help that person earn money to donate to a cause I vehemently disagree with either.

So, basically, if the owner of chick fil A, or Wal Mart, or Exxon, etc wants to have coffee with me I am fine with that and we can get along. However, I will not knowingly spend MY money to help those corporations get profits which are spent on things I relaly, really, really disagree with. I have as much right to believe that is not a good use of my money as you do to believe otherwise and as the owner of Chick Fil A does to believe being closed on Sundays is a great idea.

I teach college courses for a living and in my field critical thinking is a big issue. And one of the major troubling things my colleagues and I find in student's thinking is exactly the above type of thought--"we must tolerate *everything*" or "everything is relative."

That is ridiculous. Such views would mean that we must tolerate Hitler, genocide, raping babies so long as someone sincerely believes those are good things. Of course we do NOT have to tolerate everything. To tolerate everything would lead to massive violations of rights and massive disrespect.

So no, we do not have tolerate neo-Nazis who say that Jews drink children's blood, or segregationists who insist that blacks are inferior to whites, or people who are anti-gay and insist that gay people are evil/a threat to children/pedophiles/hastening the downfall of civilization. Similarly when individuals or groups actively work to hurt other people--i.e. advocating laws that deny some people rights to their own children or health insurance through their life partner or protection from employment discrimination--why in the world would anyone think we should tolerate those actions?

To put it in terms of your communist friend--sure disagree with him. But if you start giving money to groups that compare him to pedophiles, suggest that he needs "reparative therapy," or deny him rights to his kids or relationship rights with his spouse, would you really call that "respect"?

I don't have a chick-fil-a in my town and generally don't eat meat, so I haven't followed the story on them closely. But just a few minutes of googling seems to reveal much deeper ties to many more anti-gay organizations (organizations that actively campaign for laws denying gay people rights such as Focus on the Family) then you are admitting. I don't have time to fact check ever single google result, but when you get hundreds of thousands of hits saying the same thing you've got to assume either there's something to it, or google is in on a huge conspiracy against chick fil a.

I will defend the right of anyone to believe what they choose and donate where they choose all day and twice on Sundays. Supporting their rights does NOT mean that I must help them with their donations. I don't go to Chick fil A, but a lot of my friends and co-workers do, and I don't get in their face about it. The only reason I mention it here is because the question was asked directly.

I can find other organizations and other corporations that also do a great deal to help others without having to support those that work actively to deny rights to me and my friends.

That is the core of the matter. Well said

 

[CowboyCO]

I teach college courses for a living and in my field critical thinking is a big issue. And one of the major troubling things my colleagues and I find in student's thinking is exactly the above type of thought--"we must tolerate *everything*" or "everything is relative."

That is ridiculous. Such views would mean that we must tolerate Hitler, genocide, raping babies so long as someone sincerely believes those are good things. Of course we do NOT have to tolerate everything. To tolerate everything would lead to massive violations of rights and massive disrespect.

So no, we do not have tolerate neo-Nazis who say that Jews drink children's blood, or segregationists who insist that blacks are inferior to whites, or people who are anti-gay and insist that gay people are evil/a threat to children/pedophiles/hastening the downfall of civilization. Similarly when individuals or groups actively work to hurt other people--i.e. advocating laws that deny some people rights to their own children or health insurance through their life partner or protection from employment discrimination--why in the world would anyone think we should tolerate those actions?

To put it in terms of your communist friend--sure disagree with him. But if you start giving money to groups that compare him to pedophiles, suggest that he needs "reparative therapy," or deny him rights to his kids or relationship rights with his spouse, would you really call that "respect"?

I don't have a chick-fil-a in my town and generally don't eat meat, so I haven't followed the story on them closely. But just a few minutes of googling seems to reveal much deeper ties to many more anti-gay organizations (organizations that actively campaign for laws denying gay people rights such as Focus on the Family) then you are admitting. I don't have time to fact check ever single google result, but when you get hundreds of thousands of hits saying the same thing you've got to assume either there's something to it, or google is in on a huge conspiracy against chick fil a.

This is exactly what I'm talking about with intolerance. You are equating religious people who believe that a specific action is sinful with Hitler, Neo-Nazi's, anti-Semites and segregationists. That is shameful.

All Pro Dads doesn't have a single thing to say about gay marriage, but because it is an affiliate of another group that preaches that this activity is sinful, then both are evil and anyone that donates is evil. Guilty by two degrees of separation. Religious groups to focus on strengthening family will focus on their traditional and religious view of family. Why should they promote cohabitation outside marriage, multiple baby-daddies or anything else sinful in their eyes?

Go to Focus on the Family website and read what they promote. Children, marriage and strong families in faith. The founder of the organization actually stepped down from the organization because he wanted to enter in the political discussion that Focus does not allow. Again, guilty by association. I have taken my kids to Focus on the Family and the center there has wonderful, christian-based activities for kids - great resources to help struggling marriages and lots of support to build stronger marriages. Of course, all of their materials are about their traditional view of Christian marriage.

Somehow, people love to equate these family-based religious organizations with Rev Phelps and his group of loonies. I've got a great idea for you. Instead of Googleing "Chick-fil-a+anti-gay", Google "Chick-fil-a charitable giving"

 

[PeterPan09]

This is exactly what I'm talking about with intolerance. You are equating religious people who believe that a specific action is sinful with Hitler, Neo-Nazi's, anti-Semites and segregationists. That is shameful.

All Pro Dads doesn't have a single thing to say about gay marriage, but because it is an affiliate of another group that preaches that this activity is sinful, then both are evil and anyone that donates is evil. Guilty by two degrees of separation. Religious groups to focus on strengthening family will focus on their traditional and religious view of family. Why should they promote cohabitation outside marriage, multiple baby-daddies or anything else sinful in their eyes?

Go to Focus on the Family website and read what they promote. Children, marriage and strong families in faith. The founder of the organization actually stepped down from the organization because he wanted to enter in the political discussion that Focus does not allow. Again, guilty by association. I have taken my kids to Focus on the Family and the center there has wonderful, christian-based activities for kids - great resources to help struggling marriages and lots of support to build stronger marriages. Of course, all of their materials are about their traditional view of Christian marriage.

Somehow, people love to equate these family-based religious organizations with Rev Phelps and his group of loonies. I've got a great idea for you. Instead of Googleing "Chick-fil-a+anti-gay", Google "Chick-fil-a charitable giving"

I have researched Focus on the Family, MANY times and I know exactly what they promote. I understand why some people would find them an admirable organization -however I cannot and will not support them because they DO actively promote an abolition of gay marriage in the areas where it exists, and fight against gay marriage in places where it does not yet exist. Some of the statements that have been made about gay people by leaders of Focus on the family concern me, as I believe they foster attitudes about gay people being inferior human beings making bullying acceptable.

They don't have to support gay marriage or even gay people if they don't want to, and I don't have to buy products from companies that support them if I don't want to.

It's not intolerant or hypocritical to make personal choices about what we will and will not do with our money. Nobody has said that these companies or organizations do not or should not have the right to do as they are doing, only that they have chosen not to support them with their dollars.

 

[mr.bungle]

I will not buy products from or support Anheuser Busch/InBev, Miller and Coors. I also try not to support organized sports but sometimes going to a baseball game for free can be fun. I wouldn't pay to go, though.

 

[mickeysgal]

I will not buy products from or support Anheuser Busch/InBev, Miller and Coors.

Just curious, why these three companies in particular?

 

[AverageDiser]

Professional Sporting events & most concerts
Chick-Fil-A
Boy Scouts
Susan G Komen (Products w/ proceeds donated..I do donate to other breast cancer orgs.)

 

[skater]

I love it that in this country we are able to have our own opinions and "boycott" businesses that we don't like. I am surprised at the list of "awful" organizations Chick-fil-A supports. I don't believe that I'm intolerant, but it makes me feel a little nervous because I guess I, like Chick-fil-A (if I owned a business) would be considered intolerant because I support some of those groups.

It seems to me that most Christian organizations would be on that list. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to spend their money at a certain business. Its just that reading this thread makes me wonder if one day it will be a crime to be a certain faith in this country. Not trying to be dramatic, but if you think Focus on the Family is so bad, then there are many Christians going about their day to day lives that you probably would consider really bad as well - maybe even criminal. And these aren't Westboro Baptist people - these are nice men and women who would not judge someone for their choices, but also, would not back down from their faith.

I know that few will agree with me, but this is my take on what I've read so far.

 

[Goofyluver]

I love it that in this country we are able to have our own opinions and "boycott" businesses that we don't like. I am surprised at the list of "awful" organizations Chick-fil-A supports. I don't believe that I'm intolerant, but it makes me feel a little nervous because I guess I, like Chick-fil-A (if I owned a business) would be considered intolerant because I support some of those groups.

It seems to me that most Christian organizations would be on that list. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to spend their money at a certain business. Its just that reading this thread makes me wonder if one day it will be a crime to be a certain faith in this country. Not trying to be dramatic, but if you think Focus on the Family is so bad, then there are many Christians going about their day to day lives that you probably would consider really bad as well - maybe even criminal. And these aren't Westboro Baptist people - these are nice men and women who would not judge someone for their choices, but also, would not back down from their faith.

I know that few will agree with me, but this is my take on what I've read so far.

I think you're safe...legally speaking.

Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the group that Focus on the Family and Chick-Fil-A (through their monetary donations) seek to work against.

As to the second bolded statement, through active campaigns against marriage equality, yes, judging is exactly what these organizations are doing.

 

[Minnie]

I choose not to boycott anything however I do tend to shop where customer service is a priority not an after thought.

AND I love Chick Fillet

 

[JessicaR]

Trolly threads

 

[Uncle Remus]

I love it that in this country we are able to have our own opinions and "boycott" businesses that we don't like. I am surprised at the list of "awful" organizations Chick-fil-A supports. I don't believe that I'm intolerant, but it makes me feel a little nervous because I guess I, like Chick-fil-A (if I owned a business) would be considered intolerant because I support some of those groups.

It seems to me that most Christian organizations would be on that list. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to spend their money at a certain business. Its just that reading this thread makes me wonder if one day it will be a crime to be a certain faith in this country. Not trying to be dramatic, but if you think Focus on the Family is so bad, then there are many Christians going about their day to day lives that you probably would consider really bad as well - maybe even criminal. And these aren't Westboro Baptist people - these are nice men and women who would not judge someone for their choices, but also, would not back down from their faith.

I know that few will agree with me, but this is my take on what I've read so far.

Do you have any thoughts on the multitudes of gays 'n lesbians that are Christians?