SO upset and frustrated!!

Status
Not open for further replies.
Fidelity would be the manager of the school's 401K fund and for that they would need a securities license. They are not just for selling variable life insurance or annuities, they are for working with any security-stocks, bonds, etc. (including those inside a mutual fund). I am securities licensed.

Does Fidelity only deal with retirement funds? I know many investment companies handle various other benefits as well, so I could see a situation where the applicant might not be handling retirement funds but still work for that company. I really don't know, just tossing that out there.

Also, since schools are non-profit or not-for-profit, wouldn't it be a 403(b)?
 
Fidelity would be the manager of the school's 401K fund and for that they would need a securities license. They are not just for selling variable life insurance or annuities, they are for working with any security-stocks, bonds, etc. (including those inside a mutual fund). I am securities licensed.

I believe she said American Fidelities which is a different entity(I think)
 
I believe she said American Fidelities which is a different entity(I think)

Regardless, in order to even TALK about retirement accounts to other people in the role of an advisor you have to be securities licensed, period. Part of getting a securities license is no bankruptcy or even credit counseling. It is what it is and for good reason. Would you want to talk to a financial advisor that has a bankruptcy on his/her record??

The school may or may not have a 403B, many have 401K's because they are more flexible.
 
I was thinking the same thing. I know some wonderful people who unfortunately had to file bankruptcy or have no place for their children to live. The economy sucks. People loss jobs. The banks were putting people in homes that had no business being in homes. I know I was granted a mortgage that I shouldn't have. Luckily, my pay went up, but I had a 1200 dollar mortgage at 26 years old make 17 dollars an hour. On paper at 26 years old you think no problem. Now knowing how expensive everything is I'm surprised I made it through. Not to mention I was raising 2 kids on my own at the time. I don't know the situation here but you never know what someone went trough

So its the banks fault that you accepted the terms of the mortgage? I don't think so, its called personal responsibilty and at 26 years old you are old enough to practice it.
 

That stinks OP, but it makes sense. Any job where a person could be bribed is a position someone with questionable finances is going to be under the microscope. For My DH's job they did a credit check, some kind of government clearance and a drug blood test, they wouldn't even have screened him if he had a criminal record of any kind.

Good luck, I hope things work out for you guys.
 
So its the banks fault that you accepted the terms of the mortgage? I don't think so, its called personal responsibilty and at 26 years old you are old enough to practice it.

I was thinking the same thing, the bank held a gun to their head and forced them to buy more house than they could afford and then forced them to sign a mortgage, what else did the bank force you to do???? this is what is wrong with America, it is always someone else's fault:sad2:
 
I was thinking the same thing. I know some wonderful people who unfortunately had to file bankruptcy or have no place for their children to live. The economy sucks. People loss jobs. The banks were putting people in homes that had no business being in homes. I know I was granted a mortgage that I shouldn't have. Luckily, my pay went up, but I had a 1200 dollar mortgage at 26 years old make 17 dollars an hour. On paper at 26 years old you think no problem. Now knowing how expensive everything is I'm surprised I made it through. Not to mention I was raising 2 kids on my own at the time. I don't know the situation here but you never know what someone went trough

What a cop out. Banks don't "put" people in houses. It's up to you to purchase a house you can afford. Not what the bank tells you you can afford. Two totally different things.

OP, while I understand why you may be frustrated, I'm on the side of the business policy on this one.

If you can't handle your own finances, you would be a financial risk to the company.
 
Unfortunately, that bankruptcy will follow you for a while. Two years is actually very reasonable. There are several companies that will not hire you unles you are 5-7 years out and have rebuilt a decent credit score. There are a couple that won't hire you if you ever filed bankruptcy, regardless of whether you've rebuilt credit or repaid your creditors.

It's frustrating, but your anger at the company is misplaced.
 
A bankruptcy or even low credit score would have disqualified me from my current job. I work in I.T. in the financial industry and it is pretty common. We have way too much access to the systems to put someone in they don't trust and for better or worse they use credit score as one of the tools to gage trustworthiness.

I think it is a cop out to blame the mortgage companies for anyone accepting a mortgage they couldn't afford. They were pretty dumb to do it but at the same time when they approved me for a mortgage I would never have been able to afford I was a big boy and bought within my means. Five minutes with a calculator and it was pretty obvious that had I bought a house with the insane mortgage they pre-approved me for I would have been in trouble right away.

Blaming the mortgage lenders is like blaming the crack dealer because you didn't just say no.
 
Just wondering on your thoughts about this? I mean, the companies say that it "says a lot about a person's character" if they have had to file bankruptcy. I say that there are TONS of reasons people may need to file and and you can't judge a person's character by this! UGH!!!

I don't see a problem. Employers can decide not to hire people based on anything they want to decide based on. Sure, there are anti-discrimination laws, but they can always find SOMETHING to not hire people if they want to.
 
So its the banks fault that you accepted the terms of the mortgage? I don't think so, its called personal responsibilty and at 26 years old you are old enough to practice it.

The bank also should not give loans to someone who they know cannot afford the monthly payment. This has happened in quite a few cases.

At the same time, if I'm getting a loan, and my monthly payment is $1200, and I know that I cannot actually afford to pay that amount each month, then I should not put myself in that situation.

It's a 2-sided thing. Hopefully banks are no longer doing that, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
 
The bank also should not give loans to someone who they know cannot afford the monthly payment. This has happened in quite a few cases.

At the same time, if I'm getting a loan, and my monthly payment is $1200, and I know that I cannot actually afford to pay that amount each month, then I should not put myself in that situation.

It's a 2-sided thing. Hopefully banks are no longer doing that, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Goodness, I am trying to imagine if my kids tried an argument like that: Well Mom, lots of 12 year olds spend their lunch money on ice cream but you gave me lunch money anyway so it is your fault I am sick to my stomach now." Uh, no, doesn't fly with me.
 
I was thinking the same thing. I know some wonderful people who unfortunately had to file bankruptcy or have no place for their children to live. The economy sucks. People loss jobs. The banks were putting people in homes that had no business being in homes. I know I was granted a mortgage that I shouldn't have. Luckily, my pay went up, but I had a 1200 dollar mortgage at 26 years old make 17 dollars an hour. On paper at 26 years old you think no problem. Now knowing how expensive everything is I'm surprised I made it through. Not to mention I was raising 2 kids on my own at the time. I don't know the situation here but you never know what someone went trough

When we were building I could not believe the amount of $$$ the bank was willing to loan us! It would have been my dream house. However, with 2 good heads on our shoulders, DH and I backed away and built something for much less $$. Thank God...because during the building process, his job was terminated but with no unemployment paid. So, instead of living on less, we were living on next to nothing....DH took any job that came along ( one of which was giving horseback rides in the Smokies and shoveling horse poop). I turned in 5 W2 forms this year!

The thing is...people bite off more than they can chew AND want to wait on a job that pays them what they think they are worth. Thank God I am married to man who has been there 2x now and has never, ever not worked a day in his life. I have little tolerance for the man who sits at home waiting until he finds the perfect , high paying job while belly aching about his bills and no one paying him what he is worth.:sad2:

Regardless, in order to even TALK about retirement accounts to other people in the role of an advisor you have to be securities licensed, period. Part of getting a securities license is no bankruptcy or even credit counseling. It is what it is and for good reason. Would you want to talk to a financial advisor that has a bankruptcy on his/her record??

The school may or may not have a 403B, many have 401K's because they are more flexible.

Well, Dave Ramsey filed some type of bankrupcy at one point and I've listened to him.:flower3:

But no, I see your point.

That stinks OP, but it makes sense. Any job where a person could be bribed is a position someone with questionable finances is going to be under the microscope. For My DH's job they did a credit check, some kind of government clearance and a drug blood test, they wouldn't even have screened him if he had a criminal record of any kind.

Good luck, I hope things work out for you guys.

My DH's new job (last year) checked everything about him. Credit, health, security clearance, lie dector test, etc.

A bankruptcy or even low credit score would have disqualified me from my current job. I work in I.T. in the financial industry and it is pretty common. We have way too much access to the systems to put someone in they don't trust and for better or worse they use credit score as one of the tools to gage trustworthiness.

I think it is a cop out to blame the mortgage companies for anyone accepting a mortgage they couldn't afford. They were pretty dumb to do it but at the same time when they approved me for a mortgage I would never have been able to afford I was a big boy and bought within my means. Five minutes with a calculator and it was pretty obvious that had I bought a house with the insane mortgage they pre-approved me for I would have been in trouble right away.

Blaming the mortgage lenders is like blaming the crack dealer because you didn't just say no.

:thumbsup2


OP, good luck, but like a PP said, I think your anger is misplaced.
 
Goodness, I am trying to imagine if my kids tried an argument like that: Well Mom, lots of 12 year olds spend their lunch money on ice cream but you gave me lunch money anyway so it is your fault I am sick to my stomach now." Uh, no, doesn't fly with me.


What?:confused3

I am NOT saying that I think it is right for a person to accept a mortgage loan if they cannot afford it. I also don't think it's right for a mortgage company to give a loan to someone who cannot afford that monthly payment.

Mortgage companies know what the borrower's income is and if they go ahead and give them a mortgage knowing their income and that the borrower cannot afford that payment, then they should not give the loan. And this was being done in some instances before the whole housing market crashed.
 
I work for a major insurance company and I know that a credit check is part of the hiring process. I don't know if a bankruptcy is a definite no but I'm sure it's a strike against (I'm not involved in HR or hiring). How you handle your money can be an indicator of how you will handle the company's money. Sorry but most people I know who filed for bankruptcy end up that way because of unnecessary spending beyond their means. My brother filed for bankruptcy and as soon as he could get credit cards again he went back into the same pattern.
Last week I was at an event and was chatting with a fellow attendee who happened to be a bankruptcy lawyer. He told me 40% of his clients file for bankruptcy due to medical bills and another 23% file for bankruptcy for credit cards for medical bills -- so in his case, 63% of his clients' bankruptcy is due to medical bills. He said that is very true to the statistics for his state.


Assuming he knows what he's talking about, then it's not a case of people spending past their means, it's people having health problems.
 
OP- since you are so close to the 2 year mark could he still apply but maybe enclose some type of letter explaining when the date is and maybe offer some explanation as to why you had to file.
If it was something like huge medical expenses or some other extenuating circumstances, maybe they could still hire him (if qualified in the other areas) but hold off on any licensing until July. If he's truly qualified and the company is impressed with him maybe they would work with you. :confused3
 
The bank also should not give loans to someone who they know cannot afford the monthly payment. This has happened in quite a few cases.

At the same time, if I'm getting a loan, and my monthly payment is $1200, and I know that I cannot actually afford to pay that amount each month, then I should not put myself in that situation.

It's a 2-sided thing. Hopefully banks are no longer doing that, but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Oh, we could have afforded it. But we would have been "house poor" and eating rice and beans for the next 30 years, while riding our bikes everywhere we needed to go. :laughing:

We chose not to live house poor. ;)
 
The thing is...people bite off more than they can chew AND want to wait on a job that pays them what they think they are worth. Thank God I am married to man who has been there 2x now and has never, ever not worked a day in his life. I have little tolerance for the man who sits at home waiting until he finds the perfect , high paying job while belly aching about his bills and no one paying him what he is worth.:sad2:

I think that a lot of people who are unemployed aren't necessarily sitting at home waiting for the perfect job. My dd was laid off, now working for a newspaper company. It's not the perfect job for her but it's a job for right now. She is a very talented graphic designer and would definitely like to have a better/different job, but for now it's what she can find.

So your statement definitely doesn't apply to everyone who is laid off or unmployed.
 
The thing is...people bite off more than they can chew AND want to wait on a job that pays them what they think they are worth. Thank God I am married to man who has been there 2x now and has never, ever not worked a day in his life. I have little tolerance for the man who sits at home waiting until he finds the perfect , high paying job while belly aching about his bills and no one paying him what he is worth.:sad2:

My DH is similar. Was laid off from his great, well-paying professional job two years ago. His last day in the office was a Friday, and the following day he strapped on a tool belt and started building fences and doing home repairs. A couple of months later he got another professional job in his field, only it was 500 miles away from our lifelong home. He kept working home construction until the day before we loaded the moving van.

Thanks for the post; I needed a reminder on how much I love, respect and admire the man I married, after he got on my nerves this weekend. :)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.


Disney Vacation Planning. Free. Done for You.
Our Authorized Disney Vacation Planners are here to provide personalized, expert advice, answer every question, and uncover the best discounts. Let Dreams Unlimited Travel take care of all the details, so you can sit back, relax, and enjoy a stress-free vacation.
Start Your Disney Vacation
Disney EarMarked Producer






DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter

Add as a preferred source on Google

Back
Top Bottom