So many stripped resales…

bookbabe626

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Has anyone else noticed that so many of the resale contracts appearing lately are either partially or completely stripped? And they’re not really priced well enough to reflect that lack of points. Anyone else assuming those are the first bunches of spec rental owners looking to unload some or all of their contracts?
 
We are currently in the process of selling one of our contracts. We honestly didn’t put any thought into that part; we have a Dec UY year and used all the ‘25 points for a trip we had planned 6 months ago, only deciding we wanted to sell recently.

The market undervalues loaded contracts and overvalues stripped.
Agree 100%
 
Has anyone else noticed that so many of the resale contracts appearing lately are either partially or completely stripped? And they’re not really priced well enough to reflect that lack of points. Anyone else assuming those are the first bunches of spec rental owners looking to unload some or all of their contracts?
That’s likely because we are over half of the way through the year and most people have either gone on their spring break/summer trip or have a delayed close until after their holiday trip.
 

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That’s likely because we are over half of the way through the year and most people have either gone on their spring break/summer trip or have a delayed close until after their holiday trip.

A lot of the contracts are completely stripped, they’ve borrowed all of 2026 as well as using up all of the 2025 points. For some resorts, that doesn’t leave a lot of years, and then to ask top dollar? I guess they’re optimistic, good for them.
 
To be honest, any knowledgeable owner should strip their contracts before selling. The market undervalues loaded contracts and overvalues stripped.

I guess I’m unusual in that I am looking for only a 2042 resort, and I don’t even glance any further at the listing if it doesn’t have at least full points.

Do buyers really pay what people are asking on some of those stripped listings? Weird. I wouldn’t have thought it was something people would overlook when buying. I mean, the whole reason I’m buying more DVC is because I need more points now, not a couple of years from now.
 
Just for fun go to DVCforless.com and sort by the lowest stars and look at how out of their minds some people are with their asking prices for huge point stripped contracts. People are either delusional or they're just hoping they hit a real one in a million sucker.

Yeah, that’s where I was looking. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks some of those sellers are delusional.
 
I guess I’m unusual in that I am looking for only a 2042 resort, and I don’t even glance any further at the listing if it doesn’t have at least full points.

Do buyers really pay what people are asking on some of those stripped listings? Weird. I wouldn’t have thought it was something people would overlook when buying. I mean, the whole reason I’m buying more DVC is because I need more points now, not a couple of years from now.
If you look, you’ll notice a lot of those stripped contracts priced at or above median recent prices have been sitting there a looooooong time.
 
To be honest, any knowledgeable owner should strip their contracts before selling. The market undervalues loaded contracts and overvalues stripped.
Hmmm. This is an interesting point and not something I had thought about before. Playing around with the site sponsor's pricing tool as a bit of a rough proxy, it would appear they generally suggest a $24 pp spread between a fully loaded contract and a fully stripped contract. Unless you're renting your points out yourself at a highly desirable time of year with confirmed, hard to get reservations, I doubt you're going to be getting $24 pp renting them out - and, just setting aside whether that is something that should/is permitted, it is something that requires more work than just renting through a broker. Then, I would think a buyer of a stripped contract is much more likely to demand the seller pay for current and/or next year's dues, so let's say that's another $8-$18 pp you might lose selling a stripped contract in the total amount you receive. Then, I also think a fully loaded vs. a fully stripped contract also attracts different potential buyers - I have to think a fully loaded contract is more likely to attract your uninformed buyer just looking to buy into DVC with some extra points for a nice vacation next year and also could attract a more savvy buyer who has just been waiting for the right contract.

So, maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not quite seeing where fully stripped contracts are the clearly the way to go when selling. Of course, I've never done it, so my assumptions could be way off.
 
If you look, you’ll notice a lot of those stripped contracts priced at or above median recent prices have been sitting there a looooooong time.
Seems like another potential downside to selling stripped contracts. This all also reminds me of a conversation I had with one of the site sponsor's brokers when I first started considering resale. I was like, I'm trying to think about how I should value extra, banked points - I said, I see they can typically be rented out for $16-$18 pp, so shouldn't I only be willing to pay no more than that for each extra point over one that didn't have them? The broker appreciated my analysis, but suggested that, for most buyers, the extra points are about taking another magical vacation with your family next year and so it's hard to put a precise value on them. Very smart marketing on their part - focus on the warm fuzzies, not the math.
 
Hmmm. This is an interesting point and not something I had thought about before. Playing around with the site sponsor's pricing tool as a bit of a rough proxy, it would appear they generally suggest a $24 pp spread between a fully loaded contract and a fully stripped contract. Unless you're renting your points out yourself at a highly desirable time of year with confirmed, hard to get reservations, I doubt you're going to be getting $24 pp renting them out - and, just setting aside whether that is something that should/is permitted, it is something that requires more work than just renting through a broker. Then, I would think a buyer of a stripped contract is much more likely to demand the seller pay for current and/or next year's dues, so let's say that's another $8-$18 pp you might lose selling a stripped contract in the total amount you receive. Then, I also think a fully loaded vs. a fully stripped contract also attracts different potential buyers - I have to think a fully loaded contract is more likely to attract your uninformed buyer just looking to buy into DVC with some extra points for a nice vacation next year and also could attract a more savvy buyer who has just been waiting for the right contract.

So, maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not quite seeing where fully stripped contracts are the clearly the way to go when selling. Of course, I've never done it, so my assumptions could be way off.
Just look at the listings. Of course listings doesn’t necessarily mean they sell at those prices, but I find hard to believe most buyers are heavily negotiating those. Even in the ROFR thread you’ll see a lot of users “overpaying” stripped contracts.

And experienced buyers are definitely looking for loaded contracts because we know it’s a bang for our buck because they’re rarely priced at a value that considers the full value of those extra points. And if they are they usually sit there for some time and get negotiated.

In general listings that have a long time are usually just way too high in general.
 
This has been noticeable for a few months now. I think the board sponsor led the way with that. I think with prices dipping its an ok way to try to get a max return if you are the seller but many of these contracts sit for a long time because they wind up pretty overpriced if you take into account 1 to 2 lost years of points.
 
The running gag on DVC Show is that everyone borrows their points. It should be no surprise that this includes sellers too.

As a new DVC member who just bought two contracts quickly, I like the idea of buying a stripped contract at a discount, not being on the hook for annual dues for a couple years (after seller's reimbursement is considered), and having the extra points available down the road. The only drawback is that the money you spent on the contract is sitting idle, earning zero interest (in a high interest rate environment).
 
Believe we’ll see a gradual repricing of these loaded contracts with the rising popularity of DVCforLess as their deal score takes them into account and applies a fair market value to them.

At least that’s what led me to paying a few extra bucks a point for a loaded 100 pt contract rather than some of the cheaper stripped ones.

Saw the owner of DVC for less posting in another thread recently about planned refinements to their deal score to account for edge cases where contracts get incorrectly valued when they are at the margins of their point band categories so think this methodology will only improve over time.
 
The only drawback is that the money you spent on the contract is sitting idle, earning zero interest (in a high interest rate environment).
Correct. Even if I know in two years from now the stripped contract will be worth having bought at a lower price I simply can't bring myself to purchase something that is of no use to me for years. It's like looking at a nice car that's priced at say 50,000 and the dealer says ok pay me 40000 now but you can't drive it for 2 years. Sure I'd save money 2 years from now but why would I want to save the 10000 now and not get to drive the car! Also that 10000 in savings is not really 10000 because like you mention that 40000 I plunk down now can make way more money in 2 years.
 















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