Skyliner stroller red tag capacity limited ADA discrimination

[lanejudy]

Disney allows two folded wheelchairs onto one skyliner, which means two people with a disability that requires a wheelchair can be on the same cabin if they are folded up.

There is an important distinction between an individual with a folded manual wheelchair/SAW and an individual who “rolls on” seated in the wheelchair. For the purposes of evacuation standards one is considered to be ambulatory and the other not. Yes reality may differ from that but as already stated evacuation procedures (which drive the occupancy limits) are based on such assumptions.

WDW is not going to question each party nor weigh each guest to customize the occupancy of gondolas. Standards are used.

 

[Isthisnormalatdisney]

There is an important distinction between an individual with a folded manual wheelchair/SAW and an individual who “rolls on” seated in the wheelchair. For the purposes of evacuation standards one is considered to be ambulatory and the other not. Yes reality may differ from that but as already stated evacuation procedures (which drive the occupancy limits) are based on such assumptions.

WDW is not going to question each party nor weigh each guest to customize the occupancy of gondolas. Standards are used.

There is an important distinction between an individual with a folded manual wheelchair/SAW and an individual who “rolls on” seated in the wheelchair. For the purposes of evacuation standards one is considered to be ambulatory and the other not. Yes reality may differ from that but as already stated evacuation procedures (which drive the occupancy limits) are based on such assumptions.

WDW is not going to question each party nor weigh each guest to customize the occupancy of gondolas. Standards are used.

Disney can ask, and in other places they do ask, “are you comfortable transferring in the event of an emergency.” That’s a reasonable thing to ask and isn’t too burdensome.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Sorry for my ignorance, but a question. The alleged discrimination is around a large group of 10 having to split into 2 gondolas on the Skyliner instead of fitting into one?

People will try to sue for anything this day and age. Sad that Disney will have to spend money to defend themselves for this which in turn gets passed along to guests in the end

 

[lanejudy]

Disney can ask, and in other places they do ask, “are you comfortable transferring in the event of an emergency.” That’s a reasonable thing to ask and isn’t too burdensome.

For the attractions they are asking “can you transfer?” to know which ride vehicle you need. They aren’t asking about emergency procedures. It would unnecessarily slow the transportation flow of the skyliner if they had to ask every party boarding with a mobility device. You aren’t the only party — hundreds move through the skyliner hourly. Standards are needed.

 

[Just_another_figment]

You know, it’s delusional to think that if you’re travelling with a party of ten, mobility device or not, that you WON”T be split at times. I mean, come on. Not all restaurants can accommodate a party that size and they will split your party. With 10 you may be split on rides. I went to dinner with a big group one night and we got split on the monorail. That’s to be expected with big parties.

This thread is wild.

 

[Isthisnormalatdisney]

People will try to sue for anything this day and age. Sad that Disney will have to spend money to defend themselves for this which in turn gets passed along to guests in the end

This is false. Frivolous cases brought by attorneys can be subject to sanctions.

 

[Isthisnormalatdisney]

For the attractions they are asking “can you transfer?” to know which ride vehicle you need. They aren’t asking about emergency procedures. It would unnecessarily slow the transportation flow of the skyliner if they had to ask every party boarding with a mobility device. You aren’t the only party — hundreds move through the skyliner hourly. Standards are needed.

it would actually increase capacity of the skyliner by opening up capacity! The current policy results in a party of 7-10 with a red tag to be placed in a two cabins, but if the policy as it should be is in use then they all can be within the same cabin which would increase the input. The process is simple. The person who asks how many people the party has, if they say a number 1-6 that’s the end of the process, if they say 7-10 then the cast member asks about the mobility issue in the event of an evacuation.

This is reasonable under the ADA and actual benefits Disney from a capacity standpoint.

 

[Isthisnormalatdisney]

You know, it’s delusional to think that if you’re travelling with a party of ten, mobility device or not, that you WON”T be split at times. I mean, come on. Not all restaurants can accommodate a party that size and they will split your party. With 10 you may be split on rides. I went to dinner with a big group one night and we got split on the monorail. That’s to be expected with big parties.

This thread is wild.

of course a party will be split up at times, but just because the party would be split up at some point doesn’t mean the ADA law is irrelevant. No argument is being made that a party of ten has to sit together on Peter Pan.

 

[theMoreDisneytheBetter]

it would actually increase capacity of the skyliner by opening up capacity! The current policy results in a party of 7-10 with a red tag to be placed in a two cabins, but if the policy as it should be is in use then they all can be within the same cabin which would increase the input. The process is simple. The person who asks how many people the party has, if they say a number 1-6 that’s the end of the process, if they say 7-10 then the cast member asks about the mobility issue in the event of an evacuation.

This is reasonable under the ADA and actual benefits Disney from a capacity standpoint.

Do you honestly think Disney hasn’t thought about this and rejected the idea for some reason or another? I think that most (reasonable) people are going to give Disney a lot of leeway when it comes to deciding what is safe/not safe unless they are doing something that is blatantly discriminatory. Particularly because the alternative would involve a fair amount of CM judgment about what might/might not be safe. They should be defaulting to the highest standard here.

 

[Lewisc]

All of the OPs posts are in this thread or the other thread started

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Thread 'Got called an ******* for getting off bus before the ramp was down for scooters'

Mar 23, 2025

Hello all. Yesterday around 4pm my family and I were on a bus going from Hollywood studios to Polynesian. As we were waiting to get on the bus and there was apparently this group of 14 who just finished a VIP tour who thought they were better than everyone else, they told us that there wasn’t enough space for us (there was enough space all the kids had seats and only a few guys stood me being one of them)

On the bus was fine, but after we got to the poly apparently this group decided that the scooters are suppose to get off first, and the cast member apparently thought so too, but don't...

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Troll?

 

[Isthisnormalatdisney]

All of the OPs posts are in this thread or the other thread started

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Thread 'Got called an ******* for getting off bus before the ramp was down for scooters'

Mar 23, 2025

Hello all. Yesterday around 4pm my family and I were on a bus going from Hollywood studios to Polynesian. As we were waiting to get on the bus and there was apparently this group of 14 who just finished a VIP tour who thought they were better than everyone else, they told us that there wasn’t enough space for us (there was enough space all the kids had seats and only a few guys stood me being one of them)

On the bus was fine, but after we got to the poly apparently this group decided that the scooters are suppose to get off first, and the cast member apparently thought so too, but don't...

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• Forum: Transportation

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Troll?

That’s not true. I’ve posted in other areas, please go look again and you will see that. Are you the person that calls anyone with under 1,000 posts a troll?

 

[CAPSLOCK]

I just don't see how you can't understand that a SAW is treated as a wheelchair, but another stroller is treated as an accessory.

You asked for it to be treated differently when you got the tag. How can you then complain that it's treated differently than another stroller? That's literally the sole purpose of the SAW tag.

 

[Isthisnormalatdisney]

I just don't see how you can't understand that a SAW is treated as a wheelchair, but another stroller is treated as an accessory.

You asked for it to be treated differently when you got the tag. How can you then complain that it's treated differently than another stroller? That's literally the sole purpose of the SAW tag.

because a manual wheelchair should not be capacity limited either to ten guests. It’s also a penalty to people who used a red tag that is discriminatory. It’s like telling someone who has DAS that they can’t wait in any lines.

Just because someone uses an accommodations does not mean that person loses rights to an equal experience within reason. Yes it might be harder for the public accommodation but the law says it is still necessary.

This is the disabilities area of the forum right? Because it sounds like mostly people who have never needed accommodations ever posting.

 

[Marrila]

This is the disabilities area of the forum right? Because it sounds like mostly people who have never needed accommodations ever posting.

Wow.

 

[lanejudy]

This is the disabilities area of the forum right? Because it sounds like mostly people who have never needed accommodations ever posting.

Actually -- it's people who are VERY familiar with disabilities, accommodations and the ADA. Not just reading about it but living it day-to-day and visiting the parks. It's pretty rare that 100% of posters agree so completely that something is not discriminatory. You might want to consider that. I don't know your experience with disabilities and accommodations, nor do I know your employer's experience with such, but I would guess disability law is not their primary focus of practice.

And since all you want to do is argue, I am closing the thread because we're going in circles.