Single rider is glorious

[DisneyDillyDally]

Am I understanding correctly that TT is the best one to use the single ride on and the others are only so-so?

I definitely found that rock n roller coaster, or whatever it is called, was a slow single rider line, as prior commenters have mentioned. I found all other single rider lines to be pretty quick at WDW. Disclaimer: I visit the parks with my husband but he is not interested in roller coasters so I use single rider on these!

 

[floribr1]

I did not say there was anything wrong with it and even admitting to doing it, but fact remains that groups in single rider push back wait times for actual single riders

And this is bad because.....???

Who cares? A slightly longer wait for single riders would mean a slightly shorter wait for folks in the standby line, which in any case has more people waiting in it.

 

[mom to minnie&mickey]

In my family of 4 only my son is a thrill rider. During our last trip when he was 14 he used the single rider line for EE at Animal Kingdom over and over again while the rest of the family took a break. If, as a single rider, he waited in the regular line then he would get his seat but the seat next to him would go unused so in effect he would have taken (most probably) 2 seats. That is what single rider is.....people willing to sit alone without their party beside a stranger so that the seat does not ride empty. By doing this they are making the regular line go faster as all the people in the single rider line are using up "useless"(for lack of a better word) seats. Their reward is a much shorter wait time. It has nothing to do with solo travellers but solo riders. My son did not make anybody in the regular line wait one second longer by riding several times in a row. Otherwise, perhaps Disney should rename the single rider line "the single traveller line" lol.

 

[floribr1]

I realize it makes you feel superior to tell me I'm mistaken but the truth is, I'm not. As mentioned above, it does not state that on the WDW site. WDW has a host of differences from DL so the rules applied to one park do not necessarily apply to the other park.

Even if it did, you're not changing my mind. It's just plain wrong to do that imo (never been a solo rider in my life, btw). I don't care what you think, what Nancy thinks, what Karen thinks, or what Joe Blow thinks. I don't need validation from people on the internet and I'm entitled to my own thoughts, interpretations and beliefs. Period. End of story.

Lacking absolutely anything to back up your "opinion," I guess your reasoning is that "it's just plain wrong" because you have decided it is. Eh... yeah. Okie dokie. Good logic there.

Welcome to the World of Your Opinion.

 

[luv2cheer92]

It is not the frequency, it is the fact that some people were getting 8-10 Fastpasses per day.

Or 19 . (Yes, that's my single day record) But if people weren't refreshing, then would you just want those FPs not used at all?

 

[tjmw2727]

The single rider line is for.......SINGLE riders. Parties of one. It's not for greedy families to split up and abuse just so they can get through the line faster.

I don't often say this but you are wrong - single rider line is for anyone who doesn't mind riding alone!

The purpose is solely for filling in seats that would otherwise go empty and has nothing whatsoever to do with guests traveling solo. There is / (was?) signage explaining that parties will be spilt up .....(not that parties must wait in the standby line)

I travel solo often - why would I expect a shorter wait as a result? Often the RnRc single rider line is longer than the standby line, should I be forced to use it because I am solo?

 

[Heather07438]

It doesn't really matter what others think. It only matters what Disney thinks. The cupcakes weren't technically wrong, but were an abuse. People defended every side. Ultimately Disney decided to change it.

People were abusing the disabilities passes. People defended it every which way, but Disney eventually changed it.

Fastpasses are for getting a jump on the queue. Single rider lines are for single riders. The system can only take so much abuse before it causes a problem big enough that Disney cannot ignore.

How is utilizing single rider an abuse? In what ways does using it concern Disney, and why? I can make a case for why Disney reacted to BoG, it was affecting their bottom line when people who wanted to spend money couldn’t get a table. Here with SR there’s nothing particularly positive or negative impacting Disney other than efficiency which ends up improving park experience overall without increased cost.

I realize it makes you feel superior to tell me I'm mistaken but the truth is, I'm not. As mentioned above, it does not state that on the WDW site. WDW has a host of differences from DL so the rules applied to one park do not necessarily apply to the other park.

Even if it did, you're not changing my mind. It's just plain wrong to do that imo (never been a solo rider in my life, btw). I don't care what you think, what Nancy thinks, what Karen thinks, or what Joe Blow thinks. I don't need validation from people on the internet and I'm entitled to my own thoughts, interpretations and beliefs. Period. End of story.

So keep "correcting", I guess? Whatever floats your boat. Knock yourself out.

And I'll keep on commenting my thoughts on a.......(imagine this.....) discussion board.

You’re free to think it and share your take. There’s also very solid ground to think otherwise.

A different way to look at it is why would Disney agree with you? What incentive or harm would come to them under your take about single rider?

 

[tjmw2727]

One more try- the more people who use the single rider line the shorter the standby line is - that's why they were implemented (not for solo travelers).

Most attractions will end up with empty seats as the CM simply doesn't have time to fill them in, these empty seats result in longer lines.

If a party is willing to separate and use up those seats they are leaving the standby line (making it shorter) to fill in the otherwise empty seats and the trade off for them is being separated. The benefit for the standby line is that they are no longer in front of you.

 

[dmband]

They may be group waiters, but they are still single riders.

agree

And this is bad because.....???

Who cares? A slightly longer wait for single riders would mean a slightly shorter wait for folks in the standby line, which in any case has more people waiting in it.

I never said it was bad

 

[Love Tink]

Even if it did, you're not changing my mind. It's just plain wrong to do that imo (never been a solo rider in my life, btw). I don't care what you think, what Nancy thinks, what Karen thinks, or what Joe Blow thinks. I don't need validation from people on the internet and I'm entitled to my own thoughts, interpretations and beliefs. Period. End of story.

The word of the day, folks, is: overcompensating

 

[igrsod]

Not resentful, mostly annoyed. I do think it's an abuse of the system, and if wait times continue to rise, it will eventually result in a change - a la BOG cupcakes. Abused loopholes eventually get fixed.

I don't think Disney considers this an abuse or a loophole. It's purpose was always to fill in single seats so no cars go partially filled, and to make the cast members job easier. They don't care who fills the seats. You chose to be a single rider by going in the line up whether or not you are travelling alone or are willing to ride without your family makes no difference. Their purpose with the single rider lines wasn't to give a solo traveller a shorter wait time. Sometimes single rider can be just as long as the regular line... that's the gamble you take.

 

[Sargeant Tibbs]

Single rider is vastly different from BOG cupcake scenario.

On the plus side, COVID must officially be over as evidenced by the fact that we're once again debating using a system as it's intended vs. doing so being characterized as abuse (I refer you back to the Great FP War of 2012).

Yes, it is rather nice debating about this than worrying about covid.

I still stand by it being an abuse of the system, if wait times for single rider and standby are the same. Something is broken if that is happening. It was certainly irritating in my husband's experience as an actual single rider. But that was at Universal. Being our first trip there, we didn't know the importance of Express Pass. Next time we will purchase it, and now I'm totally on board with Disney introducing a paid fastpass as well. I will purchase that too, and then families of 20 can enter the single rider line for all I care.

 

[Travelgrrl]

I realize it makes you feel superior to tell me I'm mistaken but the truth is, I'm not. As mentioned above, it does not state that on the WDW site. WDW has a host of differences from DL so the rules applied to one park do not necessarily apply to the other park.

Even if it did, you're not changing my mind. It's just plain wrong to do that imo (never been a solo rider in my life, btw). I don't care what you think, what Nancy thinks, what Karen thinks, or what Joe Blow thinks. I don't need validation from people on the internet and I'm entitled to my own thoughts, interpretations and beliefs. Period. End of story.

So keep "correcting", I guess? Whatever floats your boat. Knock yourself out.

And I'll keep on commenting my thoughts on a.......(imagine this.....) discussion board.

This is a little ironic because you were the one to immediately 'correct' the OP with your misguided interpretation of the rules. It was fine for you to interject your opinion, but not for others to gently correct your mistake?

 

[Shannon G]

I'm stunned by how many people think this is what those who are opposed to the OP's method thinks.

NO one ever said that solo travelers should get shorter wait times. What we're saying is that the single rider line is meant for solo park goers to fill unused seats and make the line move faster for everyone (regular line and single rider line). Sometimes those waits are shorter, sometimes not.

People interpret things and find different things morally acceptable. You do you and I'm gonna do me. Thanks.

If single rider lines were meant for solo travelers, why would Disney have signage warning groups that if they use the single rider line they will be split up? Clearly that indicates that Disney EXPECTS some groups visiting the park together to use the single line, so long as they are willing to split up for the actual ride.

 

[maltdizzy]

I still stand by it being an abuse of the system, if wait times for single rider and standby are the same. Something is broken if that is happening.

There is no promise of single rider being a shorter line, it is not FP-like access, that's not its purpose and people who assume it is will be disappointed. As already noted, certain SR lines have consistently averaged Standby times for years, since it relies on there being available single seats (I have waited 10+ minutes and multiple trains for the next available open seat). It is there to fill every seat and get maximum use of hourly ride capacity. It gets more people through the rider every hour, regardless of how long some of them wait.

 

[gharter]

I still stand by it being an abuse of the system,

Please explain how it is an abuse of the system. I understand you feel it is wrong, that doesn't make it an abuse.
Disney makes the rules we follow when we are in their parks.
Disney, clearly doesn't feel that groups in the single rider line are an abuse. The signs posted in the "Single Rider" line state if your group WILL be split up. Disney doesn't state that groups are prohibited from waiting in the single rider line. Instead, they are upfront that groups will b split up. Therefore, Disney is stating they are fine with groups being in the Single Rider line.

I contrast this to how they changed the way they handle people with disabilities in line. They felt their policy was being abused, and changed it.

 

[Shannon G]

Yes, it is rather nice debating about this than worrying about covid.

I still stand by it being an abuse of the system, if wait times for single rider and standby are the same. Something is broken if that is happening. It was certainly irritating in my husband's experience as an actual single rider. But that was at Universal. Being our first trip there, we didn't know the importance of Express Pass. Next time we will purchase it, and now I'm totally on board with Disney introducing a paid fastpass as well. I will purchase that too, and then families of 20 can enter the single rider line for all I care.

Again, Disney signage warns that it may not be any quicker than the stand-by line. From a Single Rider sign for RNRC: "SINGLE RIDERS Parties will be separated to experience this attraction. Wait times may be as long as the Stand-By queu."

 

[ciaoaloha31]

As a solo traveler, I don't mind families or groups entering the single rider line. The majority of the time that I have had a longer wait in single rider lines is because the standby lines had consistent even number parties going through the normal queue at the same time. That was just unfortunate timing over anything else.

 

[Sargeant Tibbs]

There is no promise of single rider being a shorter line, that's not it's purpose (as already noted, many SR lines consistently average Standby times). It is there to fill every seat and get maximum use of hourly ride capacity. It gets more people through the rider every hour, regardless of how long some of them wait.

Like I said, I will gladly pay for fastpasses and then I don't care how single rider is used.

Since I had recent negative experience with groups using single rider lines, albeit at Universal, I certainly have an opinion on it's usage. People in groups who use it as a way of trying to get a shorter wait have opposite opinions. There is no winning this debate, but there is a way to remove oneself from the issues of standby/single rider...It seems extremely likely Disney will be introducing paid fastpasses. I will pay for them and let others worry about the rest.

 

[Heather07438]

It goes back to the question what harm is there to Disney whether it be the company (like the way BoG was losing potential money) or where WDW sees it negatively impacting park operations or guest experience? What is bad about groups utilizing Single Rider?

Without answering that it’s hard to argue abuse, loophole or exploitation.