*sigh* Too fat to donate :(

Darsa

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Ugh, I'm very sad today. I got a call from Mass General after I had submitted paperwork regarding donating part of my liver to my mom. Apparently I need to lose about 15 points from my BMI, or about 60 lbs, before I can be considered as a donor. She's supposed to be scheduled for a transplant sometime in May, and my younger brother and I are the only two in our family that are medically healthy enough to consider donating.

It's frustrating to me because I have "amazing" BP and heart rate, no signs of diabetes, and have been told by my doctor that I'm "ridiculously healthy for my weight". I've been working on losing the pounds but they've been moving sooo slooowly. I have an appointment to see my doctor to discuss this, but she's so booked I have to wait 'til January 14th. :(

My brother is of a more "acceptable" weight, hopefully he'll work out if I can't get the weight off. I'm going to keep trying though, even harder!

*sigh* Sorry, I was just sad after getting off the phone. Thanks for letting me vent! :guilty:
 
A friend of mine had to get off 20 or so to donate to her uncle.

Best wishes.

Dawn
 
I would find a nutritionist. They are really good about giving you food options where you are eating plenty and not feeling hungry. I wouldn't bother with dieting, per say. Make a lifestyle change. Still eat what you want. Just make adjustments. That is where the nutritionist will come in. Also, throw in a little exercise. Get a stationary bike and plop it in front of the tv. You can easily drop 60 pounds without going on some extreme diet or exercise program.
 
It's so generous of you to offer to do this for your mom..:lovestruc I hope it all works out fine for all of you in the end..:hug:
 

Also, throw in a little exercise. Get a stationary bike and plop it in front of the tv. You can easily drop 60 pounds without going on some extreme diet or exercise program.

I actually do go to the gym 5X a week, for cardio and weights; the only TV I watch, really, is House and CSI so I save that time for crocheting ;) The nutritionist is a good idea tho, I think I'll see if my doctor can recommend one.

Thanks for the good wishes! :hug:
 
I actually do go to the gym 5X a week, for cardio and weights; the only TV I watch, really, is House and CSI so I save that time for crocheting ;) The nutritionist is a good idea tho, I think I'll see if my doctor can recommend one.

Thanks for the good wishes! :hug:

If thats true, then you really need to see a Dr. Otherwise, I'd say that you are still overeating or not eating healthy. Theres no way to workout 5x a week (breaking a sweat) and not lose weight.
 
I agree with the poster above... if you go to the gym 5 times a week and haven't dropped weight, then a nutritionist is a good idea to get your eating in control. I have a friend who is having great success on Weight Watchers. She's lost 20 pounds in two months. It has helped her understand portion control and the need to cut out unhealthy snacking between meals. Even if you can't get your weight down in time to help your mother, it sounds like something you need to consider for yourself.

The key is when your doctor says you are healthy for your weight.

Good luck to you and your mother. :flower3:
 
If you like rice, switch to "sweet" brown rice. Sweet brown rice is like white sticky rice, but without the refinement. It can be bought online. Also, switch to brown rice pastas. They actually taste pretty good. Just losing the refined products can take off a lot of weight.

My husband lost 30lbs in 2 months by eating a protein-enriched smoothie every morning, eating several times throughout the day (small portions), no refined products, and going off sugar/cream in his coffee. If his meal couldn't fit in a bowl, he wouldn't eat it. He started making lots of stir-fry dishes with the sticky brown rice. We have recently started to eat Quinoa, and it's really good mixed with veggies and spices.

I dropped a little weight by doing some of this, but he is strict with himself, and I still love sugar.
 
:hug:

Have you tried Weight Watchers? Maybe this could help give you more incentive that will make it easier for you to lose. If you focus on keeping that liver healthy with all the right foods and minimum fats, etc, maybe it would give you a different approach to losing weight.
 
The gym thing only started a couple of months ago; I was going before but it was much more sporadic. My eating is actually not *bad*, but I'm sure it could be better.

My BP is consistently 120/80 or within 2 points; my doctor has always been impressed with that :) In the past couple of months, since I've been really trying, I've lost about 13 pounds.
 
If thats true, then you really need to see a Dr. Otherwise, I'd say that you are still overeating or not eating healthy. Theres no way to workout 5x a week (breaking a sweat) and not lose weight.

Or maybe she just reads "big" in numbers and should be reevaluated - maybe.

Darsa - :hug: to you. How lovely that you are doing this. :hug: to you - your mother and your entire family.
I'm going to go on about me for a bit to prove a point. Venting. The BMI for some people is just plain ridiculous.

I'm 215 in these pictures from earlier this year. I would read morbidly obese on the BMI. MORBIDLY OBESE. :lmao: I can laugh at 42. I'm sure being off all weight charts and being told I was "morbidly obese" led to weight gain over the years in my youth.

I still have to lose weight. But to get into the mormal range a doctor would tell me to lose at least 40. At least.

I will probably land around 180 something - high 180s. At that point I will be still be obese on the BMI and will still be off all weight charts. I am relatively fit - work out regularly - eat half decently - and weight will come off very slowly at this point.

At 180 something in my twenties - remember over 30 pounds below these pictures - my "doctor";) wrote morbidly obese on my university physical. At 42 I know how ridiculous that was - without common sense. However in my youth it could have easity caused an eating disorder. :sad2:

So maybe Darsa is like me. Maybe. It's a huge frustration to never read the way you look and feel. Huge frustration. And OP my BP is amaziing as well. Have a low resting HR. And I'm very healthy and could easily - easily is a silly word for something so serious but I mean no extra complications - go through an operation like that. But I too would be told no I'm sure.

All the best to you. Maybe you should be asked to be reevaluated. Regardless best wishes. Sorry to go on about me - but I was chomping at the bit to prove an important point. The BMI sometimes is a ridiculous tool.


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I donated a kidney to my brother four years ago. I was on BP meds before the operation, and had to prove to the doctors that I could control my BP naturally, so I dropped about 12 pounds in 2 months by cutting out carbs. My BP remained good, so they approved the donation.
 
I'm sorry. :hug: It's so great that you want to help your mom. I guess you could look at this as a great reason to get healthy. :thumbsup2

I'd be a little concerned that your doctor is telling you your BP is "amazing." The diastolic number (80) is actually on the high end of normal. Some doctors will diagnose pre-hypertension with a number like that. I don't mean to worry you and I'm sorry if I am. It's nothing that eating right and exercising won't correct. I think seeing a dietician sounds like an excellent suggestion.
 
Get the book EAT CLEAN DIET by Tosca Reno. That's a good place to start. Sounds like you have your exercising under control.
 
I'm sorry. :hug: It's so great that you want to help your mom. I guess you could look at this as a great reason to get healthy. :thumbsup2

I'd be a little concerned that your doctor is telling you your BP is "amazing." The diastolic number (80) is actually on the high end of normal. Some doctors will diagnose pre-hypertension with a number like that. I don't mean to worry you and I'm sorry if I am. It's nothing that eating right and exercising won't correct. I think seeing a dietician sounds like an excellent suggestion.

That was my first thought as well. OP, your BP is in the normal range but on the high end of normal. If your doctor is really using the word "amazing" to describe 120/80, something is wrong.
 
And Darsa I was cleared to donate a kidney to my BIL and I was at least 230 at the time but I was seen in person - so maybe if you read large and are seen in person - I'm assuming they are going from paperwork - that might make a difference . \


I'm sure if it was all paperwork and numbers I would have never been cleared.
 
Maybe "amazing" wasn't the word... maybe it was "excellent" or something similar, anyway it was superlative, whatever it was.

I'm not a doctor/nurse, I don't know about the BP numbers; I just know what the nurse writes in my chart and what the doctor tells me. I can only assume that she sees the number under my weight and the numbers under my BP and thinks that I should have an enormous BP. It's always been good, my BP, according to my doctor. :confused3 I'm certainly not going to complain considering my parents both take medication for hypertension.

And Lisa, yep, I'm told a lot that I don't look like I weigh as much as I do. Sometimes it feels like a compliment, other times, not so much ;)
 
I would also suggest the Eat This, Not That books, as well as the Biggest Loser book series. I used those as aids when I recently needed to lose 15 pounds.
 
I thought about sending this in a PM, but if there is a chance that anyone else here that could benefit from this information, I would rather post it in this thread.

I think it's wonderful that you want to do this for your mom, but if you do get the opportunity to go ahead with it, there are some things I’d like to tell you from our personal experience.

DH and I have been through the entire process beginning to end (DH was to be the donor for his mom), and it was such a stressful time that it almost cost us our marriage. He now talks about that time as being pretty much the worst time of his life.

Live liver donation is not like live kidney donation. It’s a much bigger deal - bigger surgery, bigger risks, longer recovery time. The chance of the donor having to be re-hospitalized due to complications can be as high as 40%, with some of these complications being potentially serious. Be sure that you are well educated about all of this before making the decision to proceed.

Live donation causes an ethical dilemma for doctors. They really don’t want to cut open a perfectly healthy individual and take out part of an organ. They want you to be absolutely sure that you want this, and they *should* put you through both physical testing and psychological counseling before approving you. This leads me to my next point.

The testing you will go through is called “hell week” at the Mayo Clinic. My husband went through a week of very long days of testing, some of it uncomfortable, and some of it flat out painful. In addition to the physical testing, you will also meet with a psychologist to determine that you are mentally stable and that your family dynamics are stable.

Regarding your family dynamics, you really have to be sure your family dynamics are stable, because while you would expect this kind of event to bring out the best in everyone, there is a very good chance it will do just the opposite. I’m really sad to say my husband was so desperate to save his mom that he lied about his family dynamics and got approved when I felt he absolutely shouldn’t. I knew things about his family that they didn’t, and of course he didn’t share those kinds of things with them. I wanted nothing more than to tell the psychologist about these things, because I knew what his family was going to do to him, but if I had taken this opportunity to save his mom away from my husband, I knew he would probably have never forgiven me when/if she died. As a result, what his family put him through during this whole ordeal was really horrible, and it tore him up. The unbelievable amount of stress that their family caused him almost tore our marriage apart, as well. He didn’t get over it for a couple years, and even now it is really hard for him to talk about.

If your hospital doesn’t put you through all this testing, I question whether I’d want them to do the procedure. We were doing it through Mayo, which is among the best there is. They were wonderful; we had no complaints at all (except that they let my husband fool them into thinking they had this wonderful family who would do anything for each other, but I suppose they can only go by what he tells them…)!

In the case of my husband and his mom, while they were doing a last minute checkup on his mom the day before the procedure was to happen, they determined that she was having some questionable heart issues so the surgery was canceled until she was healthier. About three weeks later, they had a match with a cadaver liver for her, and it turned out to be the best thing that could have happened for her, as the liver was a match to hers in almost every way, including being large enough to improve the success rate. What she would have gotten from my husband would probably have worked, but they much preferred something larger, as her own liver was quite large.

The recovery time was long, and my husband was immediately abandoned by the rest of them, left to care for her 24/7 in Rochester by himself. Sadly, I truly believe that even if he had been the donor, they would have done the same thing. Both of them would have needed round the clock care, and nobody would have stepped up to the plate (I had a young child at home and a new job with no leave available to me, so I wasn’t in a position to help much, either, although I would have had no choice but to figure out a way.) There really are some selfish, selfish people in this world.

As a follow-up to her story, she did quite well for about a year or so, but she has since become sick again. She isn’t very forthcoming with medical information, so from what we know, we believe it’s the same issues she had before, but with more complications added in. With that said, we must remember that she has been given several additional years to her life (I think it's been three or four years since the surgery), and hopefully she will have several more to come.

There is much more I could say about this subject, but this has gotten plenty long already. Let me know if you have any questions at all! Please know that I am not saying all of this to you to scare you away from doing this – it’s a beautiful gift! I’m telling you all of this because since we went through this, we have encountered many people that think it’s “not a big deal”, and “they’d do it for anyone in a heartbeat.” That couldn’t be further from the truth. It is a huge deal. The stress is high, and the recovery time is long and painful. It’s something that you think should bring your family closer together, but in reality, it could potentially tear your family apart. It won’t affect just your life, but your whole family’s lives as well (I'm talking about your husband and children here). So I guess what I am trying to tell you is if you do get the opportunity to do this, please make sure you are very well informed and have given it much thought.
 










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