Sick of it

[LuvOrlando]

This is a bit of a rant so please skip it if you're not in the mood.

I am so totally sick of the Left wings propaganda machine.

Back when I was in college in CUNY in the late 1980's I was introduced to the term "Politically Correct" by a Professor, the head of the Economics Department at the time, who told me I wasn't 'it' because of a paper I wrote. As time moved on this slogan, which was a generalized attempt at controlling what is socially accepted grew more & more momentum. To the point where now everyone who lives in mixed communities is afraid to say anything contrary to one particular ideology for fear of retribution. I, for one, am really getting resentful of the implication that if I disagree with whatever the Liberal platform is at any given time, I am politically INCORRECT.

Now I have to swallow the idea that anyone who isn't 'FOR' the currently offered Economic Stimulus is in league with Rush Limbaugh... a radio personality! Think about that. The Liberal party is making a radio personality the face on an entire party, not a real politician, not even someone with whom most of us in the middle identify. Rush Limbaugh is not the face of the opposition to the current Stimulus package. As evidenced by everything I hear and read the REAL face of the opposition is regular Americans.

I am against what they are offering me, and I haven't listened to Mr. Rush Limbaugh a single day in my life.

Like many American's I sit in the middle, which means I am apt to criticize both sides. I am neither from the left nor the right but I am growing impatient.

 

[Holly]

I am so totally sick of the Left wings propaganda machine.

Back when I was in college in CUNY in the late 1980's I was introduced to the term "Politically Correct" by a Professor, the head of the Economics Department at the time, who told me I wasn't 'it' because of a paper I wrote. As time moved on this slogan, which was a generalized attempt at controlling what is socially accepted grew more & more momentum To the point where now everyone who lives in mixed communities is afraid to say anything contrary to one particular ideology for fear of retribution. I, for one, am really getting resentful of the implication that if I disagree with whatever the Liberal platform is at any given time, I am politically INCORRECT.

Now I have to swallow the idea that anyone who isn't 'FOR' the currently offered Economic Stimulus is in league with Rush Limbaugh... a radio personality! Think about that. The Liberal party is making a radio personality the face on an entire party, not a real politician, not even someone with whom most of us in the middle identify. Rush Limbaugh is not the face of the opposition to the current Stimulus package. As evidenced by everything I hear and read the REAL face of the opposition is regular Americans.

I am against what they are offering me, and I haven't listened to Mr. Rush Limbaugh a single day in my life.

Like many American's I sit in the middle, which means I am apt to criticize both sides. I am neither from the left nor the right but I am growing impatient.

How about the right wing's propaganda machine? Does that one bother you?


I'm pretty far to the left and do not support the stimulus. I never once thought that Rush spoke for me, and I also don't believe that such an idiot of a man represents most Republicans.

If it really bothers you that much, you might want to reconsider how middle of the road you actually are.

 

[LuvOrlando]

What propaganda machine? As far as I can tell every single major news outlets representatives have been gushing over our new President like he's a rock star. For heavens sake, the Inauguration after parties looked like Academy Award after parties from where I sat. Whatever Rush does or does not say, he makes it plain where he stands. He's not out there pretending to be unbiased...I don't think everyone else out there is as honest.

This isn't about President Obama, him I actually like. Its the circus surrounding him that is getting to me.... really getting under my skin to be honest.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

That is because the bulk of people that are in the middle stay quiet and let the right and left fringes drive the bus straight to chaos. They make a living on sensational media.

Which has the effect of exactly what you are feeling.

Talk to the average person. Ask them who their governor is, their state rep, their mayor, etc....just basic government for their area. Ask them if they vote in their elections or even know what they are voting for.

The answers are generally uninformed. So both sides let the fringes run their ideas, repub & dem. Not a good plan imo.

But this is America and one of our freedoms is to ignore government. Not a good thing, but it is what it is.

 

[Goofycampers]

This is a bit of a rant so please skip it if you're not in the mood.

I am so totally sick of the Left wings propaganda machine.

Back when I was in college in CUNY in the late 1980's I was introduced to the term "Politically Correct" by a Professor, the head of the Economics Department at the time, who told me I wasn't 'it' because of a paper I wrote. As time moved on this slogan, which was a generalized attempt at controlling what is socially accepted grew more & more momentum. To the point where now everyone who lives in mixed communities is afraid to say anything contrary to one particular ideology for fear of retribution. I, for one, am really getting resentful of the implication that if I disagree with whatever the Liberal platform is at any given time, I am politically INCORRECT.

Now I have to swallow the idea that anyone who isn't 'FOR' the currently offered Economic Stimulus is in league with Rush Limbaugh... a radio personality! Think about that. The Liberal party is making a radio personality the face on an entire party, not a real politician, not even someone with whom most of us in the middle identify. Rush Limbaugh is not the face of the opposition to the current Stimulus package. As evidenced by everything I hear and read the REAL face of the opposition is regular Americans.

I am against what they are offering me, and I haven't listened to Mr. Rush Limbaugh a single day in my life.

Like many American's I sit in the middle, which means I am apt to criticize both sides. I am neither from the left nor the right but I am growing impatient.

I agree, there seems to be no room for any criticism at all. Not good.

 

[eliza61]

How about the right wing's propaganda machine? Does that one bother you?


I'm pretty far to the left and do not support the stimulus. I never once thought that Rush spoke for me, and I also don't believe that such an idiot of a man represents most Republicans.

If it really bothers you that much, you might want to reconsider how middle of the road you actually are.

Thank you,

LuvOrlando,
Actually that's what makes this such a nice country to live in. Free press/speech. You only see one side. I see the other. I'm firmly in the middle (voted gop in 2004, democratic this past election).
You hate being associated with Limbaugh? How many times right here on this site have I been told I've either been "drinking koolaide" or flat out called " a welfare queen waiting to get some thing from the governement" simply because I felt the democrats would do a better job. How many post bashing every single thing this new administration does do we get DAILY? Heck, I swear we have 1 poster who must spend a solid 40 hour workweek researching every move Obama makes.
That's the joy/curse of free speech.

The media is a business. There are meant to make money. If they can make more money reporting from the left side they will. Back in 2000 they we're heavily reporting from the right. Very few networks are totally fair and impartial.

The best advice is instead of ranting, I simply get information from as many sources as I can and try to base my decisions accordingly.

FYI: I don't know many democrats,liberals or leftist who are happy with the stimulus.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

The best advice is instead of ranting, I simply get information from as many sources as I can and try to base my decisions accordingly.

Right. The fear of the fringes is that you are going to actually get involved in your government on your own. That you are going to read what your reps. are doing.

They make a living on the fact that you don't get involved in your area.

 

[eliza61]

I agree, there seems to be no room for any criticism at all. Not good.

I think because unfortunately we've (Americans) stop worrying about what's best for the country and started worrying more about making sure "my side wins". We have become very polarized. The tone today is either "my way or the highway". Which is why I find all those entertainers like Limbaugh, coulter and what's the left guy;s name on HBO not Jon Stewart the other guy, so annoying. They have their agenda and sure they may be "HONEST" about it but if you don't want to live by their agenda you are no longer a citizen you are now the ENEMY!! (and I've actually heard Limbaugh say "pro choicers" are the enemy out to destroy the country)

 

[DVC Sadie]

I think because unfortunately we've (Americans) stop worrying about what's best for the country and started worrying more about making sure "my side wins". We have become very polarized. The tone today is either "my way or the highway". Which is why I find all those entertainers like Limbaugh, coulter and what's the left guy;s name on HBO not Jon Stewart the other guy, so annoying. They have their agenda and sure they may be "HONEST" about it but if you don't want to live by their agenda you are no longer a citizen you are now the ENEMY!! (and I've actually heard Limbaugh say "pro choicers" are the enemy out to destroy the country)

Bill Maher? I agree with you, they are a few people on both sides that are very polarizing figures.

The elected officials who are very polarizing IMO are Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

I don't know anyone in real life who thinks this stimulus package will work or even likes it as it has been presented.

 

[reeddi]

Yes, there is a right propoganda machine, it's called Fox news, Rush, Savage and the like. But like eliza 61 said, media is a business and they will make money however they need to. The best thing is to look at both sides and see what they report in common. That is the truth or the closest you will get to it.

What most people are having an issue with about Rush (right now) is his comment about how he wants the president to fail. Even though I have never liked Bush, I never wanted him to FAIL. That means America fails.

During the Bush administration, if you disagreed you were branded a traitor and told to get out of the country. And that was just for disagreeing not saying anything about him failing. At least the left isn't doing that YET.

I think the main thing that needs to happen is for people to do their own research and not walk in lock step ON EITHER SIDE.

I have done the research on the package (CNN money and others has the breakdown). I like some parts and don't like others. However, as someone currently unemployed, something needs to happen to make business grow. I think Green energy might be the next big thing for America and there are provisions in the package for that.

The republican leadership themselves have talked about voting against the bill no matter what. Obama had a meeting with them, changed some of the items they requested and they still voted no as a block. These same republicans voted for the current TARP program that has done NOTHING to stimulate the economy as a whole, just CEO and manager paychecks.

Obama has not said there can't be disagreement just that something needs to be done. We tried the big tax cuts for businesses for 6 years and still we have this mess. It is not going to work this time. By the way, it is an interesting find to see how much businesses (BIG ones) really pay in taxes. (less than 15%) The little guy gets the shaft though so it would be nice to see some leveling there.

Is Rush the problem? No, but him and those like him spreading failure are certainly not helping. I say we give this president the same chance Americans gave Bush for most of his 8 years. Let's not get on the bandwagon about hoping he fails just because he is a democrat.

 

[eliza61]

Bill Maher? I agree with you, they are a few people on both sides that are very polarizing figures.

The elected officials who are very polarizing IMO are Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

I don't know anyone in real life who thinks this stimulus package will work or even likes it as it has been presented.

Yes!! Thank you. That was going to annoy the heck out of me all day!!

You're very right about Reid & Pelosi. I'm pretty independant but those 2 scare me. If ever there were 2 people I could put on a slow boat to China....

 

[The Mystery Machine]

Bill Maher? I agree with you, they are a few people on both sides that are very polarizing figures.

Bill Maher rips both sides. He doesn't care. While I think he is a complete and utter jerk, he will bring up things that others don't want to discuss.

I will be interested to see what he says about Obama. He will not hold back.

 

[loco4dis]

This is a bit of a rant so please skip it if you're not in the mood.

I am so totally sick of the Left wings propaganda machine.

Back when I was in college in CUNY in the late 1980's I was introduced to the term "Politically Correct" by a Professor, the head of the Economics Department at the time, who told me I wasn't 'it' because of a paper I wrote. As time moved on this slogan, which was a generalized attempt at controlling what is socially accepted grew more & more momentum. To the point where now everyone who lives in mixed communities is afraid to say anything contrary to one particular ideology for fear of retribution. I, for one, am really getting resentful of the implication that if I disagree with whatever the Liberal platform is at any given time, I am politically INCORRECT.

Now I have to swallow the idea that anyone who isn't 'FOR' the currently offered Economic Stimulus is in league with Rush Limbaugh... a radio personality! Think about that. The Liberal party is making a radio personality the face on an entire party, not a real politician, not even someone with whom most of us in the middle identify. Rush Limbaugh is not the face of the opposition to the current Stimulus package. As evidenced by everything I hear and read the REAL face of the opposition is regular Americans.

I am against what they are offering me, and I haven't listened to Mr. Rush Limbaugh a single day in my life.

Like many American's I sit in the middle, which means I am apt to criticize both sides. I am neither from the left nor the right but I am growing impatient.

I agree. There's nothing more (dare I say) "un-American" than trying to silence those with whom one disagrees. "Political correctness" is nothing more than an effort to silence people by punishing them for the "thoughts" behind their words (anyone read Ayn Rand?). Interestingly, though, I've seen studies (I'm too lazy to search, but feel free) which have shown that the younger generation has just about had it with the PC assault on free speech. I just thank God on a regular basis that we have a guarantee of free speech written directly into our Constitution in clear and direct language. It starts with "Congress shall make NO laws…" That's clarity I can believe in!

 

[Goofycampers]

Yes, there is a right propoganda machine, it's called Fox news, Rush, Savage and the like. But like eliza 61 said, media is a business and they will make money however they need to. The best thing is to look at both sides and see what they report in common. That is the truth or the closest you will get to it.

What most people are having an issue with about Rush (right now) is his comment about how he wants the president to fail. Even though I have never liked Bush, I never wanted him to FAIL. That means America fails.

During the Bush administration, if you disagreed you were branded a traitor and told to get out of the country. And that was just for disagreeing not saying anything about him failing. At least the left isn't doing that YET.

I think the main thing that needs to happen is for people to do their own research and not walk in lock step ON EITHER SIDE.

I have done the research on the package (CNN money and others has the breakdown). I like some parts and don't like others. However, as someone currently unemployed, something needs to happen to make business grow. I think Green energy might be the next big thing for America and there are provisions in the package for that.

The republican leadership themselves have talked about voting against the bill no matter what. Obama had a meeting with them, changed some of the items they requested and they still voted no as a block. These same republicans voted for the current TARP program that has done NOTHING to stimulate the economy as a whole, just CEO and manager paychecks.

Obama has not said there can't be disagreement just that something needs to be done. We tried the big tax cuts for businesses for 6 years and still we have this mess. It is not going to work this time. By the way, it is an interesting find to see how much businesses (BIG ones) really pay in taxes. (less than 15%) The little guy gets the shaft though so it would be nice to see some leveling there.

Is Rush the problem? No, but him and those like him spreading failure are certainly not helping. I say we give this president the same chance Americans gave Bush for most of his 8 years. Let's not get on the bandwagon about hoping he fails just because he is a democrat.

I don't like Rush, but the fact is he said he wanted Obama's liberal policies to fail. He wasn't saying he wanted the man himself to fail, very different. Obama and the democrats aren't looking for bipartisanship-they want the right to cave to this fiasco they're calling a stimulus package. The only thing it's going to stimulate is a longer recession. They had to drop a couple of the high profile pork ie millions for birth control because of an outcry from the PUBLIC , not republicans.

 

[Magic Mom]

What most people are having an issue with about Rush (right now) is his comment about how he wants the president to fail. Even though I have never liked Bush, I never wanted him to FAIL. That means America fails.

So Bush never proposed a policy that you wanted to fail? Rush doesn't want America to fail, he wants Obama to fail at passing policy that he perceives as wrong.

 

[reeddi]

To the posters that commented on my post.

From the transcript on Rush's show itself.
"If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him."
"So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." "

While he does some talking about liberal policy, he states at least three times "I want HIM to fail" not policies. HIM!!

Did I disagree with Bush - yep. Did I ever say I wanted HIM to fail - nope. I am all for disagreeing with the other side's policies but not laying it at the feet of one person. Obama has been president for less than two weeks and has had a couple different meetings with Republicans to break through the paritisianship. Are other Dems doing the same - no. I personally think Pelosi was the worst pick for speaker of the house as she is INCREDIBLY unprofessional and REID is her lapdog.
See I can say something bad about Dems but I would love to see the far right say something bad about their bad apples.

As I stated earlier in the other post, BOTH sides need to do their own research and not walk in lockstep.

It is never good for there not to be the chance to voice opposition. (ie see other post about disagreeing with Bush policies) but that is not what happened. There was every opportunity to disagree. But when there are concessions made to work together and you still vote against it - well that is not stiffling dissent. Sure you can say you don't agree but come to the table expecting to answer - what do you think will work and it better not be more of the same we have had becuase that isn't working.
And Obama is not responsible for what this media/ad blitz is that is going on.


I meant to put this in my post earlier but forgot.
Yes, most Americans don't want to spend this money especially after seeing what is happening with the TARP program. But what do you (general) suggest? Tax breaks for businesses have not worked, no oversight has not worked - so what of the current Republican stance HAS worked?

For my own little rant, CURRENT republicans are NOT NOT fiscally conservative. They do not support accountability or responsibility. They have more than doubled the size of the debt. They have taken that phrase and preversed it into something it was never supposed to be.

 

[loco4dis]

To the posters that commented on my post.

From the transcript on Rush's show itself.
"If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him."
"So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." "

While he does some talking about liberal policy, he states at least three times "I want HIM to fail" not policies. HIM!!

Did I disagree with Bush - yep. Did I ever say I wanted HIM to fail - nope. I am all for disagreeing with the other side's policies but not laying it at the feet of one person. Obama has been president for less than two weeks and has had a couple different meetings with Republicans to break through the paritisianship. Are other Dems doing the same - no. I personally think Pelosi was the worst pick for speaker of the house as she is INCREDIBLY unprofessional and REID is her lapdog.
See I can say something bad about Dems but I would love to see the far right say something bad about their bad apples.

As I stated earlier in the other post, BOTH sides need to do their own research and not walk in lockstep.

It is never good for there not to be the chance to voice opposition. (ie see other post about disagreeing with Bush policies) but that is not what happened. There was every opportunity to disagree. But when there are concessions made to work together and you still vote against it - well that is not stiffling dissent. Sure you can say you don't agree but come to the table expecting to answer - what do you think will work and it better not be more of the same we have had becuase that isn't working.
And Obama is not responsible for what this media/ad blitz is that is going on.


I meant to put this in my post earlier but forgot.
Yes, most Americans don't want to spend this money especially after seeing what is happening with the TARP program. But what do you (general) suggest? Tax breaks for businesses have not worked, no oversight has not worked - so what of the current Republican stance HAS worked?

For my own little rant, CURRENT republicans are NOT NOT fiscally conservative. They do not support accountability or responsibility. They have more than doubled the size of the debt. They have taken that phrase and preversed it into something it was never supposed to be.

I don't listen to Limbaugh regularly, but have listened on and off for years. I feel confident that I can put your fears to rest and assure you that Rush Limbaugh loves his country, and wants nothing but freedom and prosperity for all. When he says he wants Obama "to fail," he means the socialist, redistributionist policies Obama (and the Congressional democrats) seem so interested in, primarily BECAUSE he believes those polices are bad for the country and its people. I, too, want these policies (such as this pork-laden "stimulus" package) to fail, and if they do fail then unfortunately it does mean that Obama as a president will be seen as a failure, but that does not mean I want my country or its people to suffer. Quite the opposite. It is love of country, liberty, and opportunity that makes me and others hope this European style socialism fails very, very quickly, so those with better ideas can step in and be heard.

 

[yeartolate]

How about the right wing's propaganda machine? Does that one bother you?

I was wondering that myself. How many years have we been in Iraq? If the right wing propaganda machine had not been so adept at manipulating the public...we would have looked closer at the "evidence" that we were presented with.

It is more than naive to think it happens only on one side.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

the problem is that the extremes - on both sides - speak the loudest (as has been mentioned) and exaggerate everything to suit their ends.

Rush did not say he hopes Obama fails to the extent he hopes the country fails. MOST Republicans want him to fail on the positions they do not agree with.

Obama did not say stop listening to Rush. He said not to JUST listen to Rush- and by this IMHO I think he meant all who represent the extreme.

The fact that Republicans are not voting for this stimulus package does not mean they are not willing to work together for what is best for this country.

I hope both sides can come together to do what is best for the country, but the extreme rhetoric is ridiculous. I would hope people would know better than to characterize the majority by the extremes. I think this is the message Obama meant when he said that to just listen to Rush would mean accomplishing nothing. Though I think it would have been a better message if he had addressed both sides in general and to the public - and not the Republican leadership. It did seem a bit condensending.

...but then again I am a tree hugging and peace lovin' liberal ....so who knows.....

 

[Goofycampers]

To the posters that commented on my post.

From the transcript on Rush's show itself.
"If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him."
"So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." "

While he does some talking about liberal policy, he states at least three times "I want HIM to fail" not policies. HIM!!

Did I disagree with Bush - yep. Did I ever say I wanted HIM to fail - nope. I am all for disagreeing with the other side's policies but not laying it at the feet of one person. Obama has been president for less than two weeks and has had a couple different meetings with Republicans to break through the paritisianship. Are other Dems doing the same - no. I personally think Pelosi was the worst pick for speaker of the house as she is INCREDIBLY unprofessional and REID is her lapdog.
See I can say something bad about Dems but I would love to see the far right say something bad about their bad apples.

As I stated earlier in the other post, BOTH sides need to do their own research and not walk in lockstep.

It is never good for there not to be the chance to voice opposition. (ie see other post about disagreeing with Bush policies) but that is not what happened. There was every opportunity to disagree. But when there are concessions made to work together and you still vote against it - well that is not stiffling dissent. Sure you can say you don't agree but come to the table expecting to answer - what do you think will work and it better not be more of the same we have had becuase that isn't working.
And Obama is not responsible for what this media/ad blitz is that is going on.


I meant to put this in my post earlier but forgot.
Yes, most Americans don't want to spend this money especially after seeing what is happening with the TARP program. But what do you (general) suggest? Tax breaks for businesses have not worked, no oversight has not worked - so what of the current Republican stance HAS worked?

For my own little rant, CURRENT republicans are NOT NOT fiscally conservative. They do not support accountability or responsibility. They have more than doubled the size of the debt. They have taken that phrase and preversed it into something it was never supposed to be.

I saw Rush in an interview discussing what he meant and he said he wanted Obama's liberal agenda to fail, so please stop beating that dead horse. And as far as Republicans not wanting fiscal responsibility you are wrong. Bush's lack of fiscal responsibility is one of the reasons many moderate and conservatives didn't vote for McCain, many just stayed home. You are also DEAD wrong with that statement about tax breaks not working, you need to get a lesson in basic economics. You are obviously partisan and are unable to see the facts.