Should this book be banned?

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by peachgirl
All proceeds? As I asked Dawn, can you post a link that would confirm that?



Perhaps they may have, but at this point I'd bet they'd be taking it off the shelves just as they did for Bush's.

Have you read the book?

 

[peachgirl]

I have heard O'Neill on two separate occasions, during radio and television interviews that his entire portion was going to charity;

Hate to break it to you Dawn, but O'Neill saying he'll give his money to charity doesn't mean he will and it's not proof of anything.

 

[peachgirl]

Have you read the book?

No. But there has been plenty enough coverage to know where the lies are.

Have you?

 

[bsnyder]

I can't get my hands on a copy. My local Barnes & Noble is sold out.

 

[cati]

Absolutely not!!

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Hate to break it to you Dawn, but O'Neill saying he'll give his money to charity doesn't mean he will and it's not proof of anything.

Whether he keeps the money or gives it away, does not diminish the stories told by 254 Swift vets. You are so quick to believe Kerry who made the mistake of building his presidential candidacy on his Viet Nam record of 30 plus years ago. I wonder if the Dems are building the plank, pouring the tar and plucking the feathers for whoever thought of that brilliant strategy!

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by bsnyder
I can't get my hands on a copy. My local Barnes & Noble is sold out.

Amazon has a 5 to 7 week wait. 500,000 books have already been sold and the demand is great.

 

[peachgirl]

Whether he keeps the money or gives it away, does not diminish the stories told by 254 Swift vets.

No, but the truth does.

 

[peachgirl]

I just read a post about how deafening the silence is from those of us on the left regarding certain issues and it reminded me..

You never answered my question Dawn...

Who's lying, President Bush or the SBVT?

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I just read a post about how deafening the silence is from those of us on the left regarding certain issues and it reminded me..

You never answered my question Dawn...

Who's lying, President Bush or the SBVT?

I don't believe that President Bush commented on the content of the SBVT other than to say that 527s should be unavailable. Why is Kerry so intent on focusing on this part of his life and not on his 20 years in the Senate. Could it be as Bob Dole said: "His senate record is thin and his war record is confused".

 

[bsnyder]

Peachgirl, I think you're confused about the definition of a lie.

If President Bush says he thinks Kerry's Vietnam Service was admirable, that's not a lie, that's an opinion.

If the Swiftvets are disputing his account, based on eyewitness evidence, they could be lying, or Kerry could be lying.

None of us were there, so all we can do is form an opinion.

 

[peachgirl]

No, Dawn, you misunderstood.

President Bush says that Kerry served his country honorably and with distinction.

The men who make up the SBVT say that he's a coward and a liar who abandoned his men.

One of them is lying...which one?

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by peachgirl
No, Dawn, you misunderstood.

President Bush says that Kerry served his country honorably and with distinction.

The men who make up the SBVT say that he's a coward and a liar who abandoned his men.

One of them is lying...which one?

I would say that President Bush doesn't know and he is being polite by taking Kerry at his word.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by bsnyder
Peachgirl, I think you're confused about the definition of a lie.

If President Bush says he thinks Kerry's Vietnam Service was admirable, that's not a lie, that's an opinion.

If the Swiftvets are disputing his account, based on eyewitness evidence, they could be lying, or Kerry could be lying.

None of us were there, so all we can do is form an opinion.

Oh I don't know bsnyder..seems to me the President of the United States of America is probably able to know the facts as well as anyone.

And Bush didn't say he "thought". He didn't say "in my opinion". He said "Kerry served honorably and with distinction."

Very artful sidestep, but one of them is lying.

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
I would say that President Bush doesn't know and he is being polite by taking Kerry at his word.

You mean to tell me that the President of the United States is not as informed as you????

Because you Dawn, certainly know for a fact that Kerry did not serve his country honorably. Right?

It certainly isn't just your own personal opinion, is it?

 

[bsnyder]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Oh I don't know bsnyder..seems to me the President of the United States of America is probably able to know the facts as well as anyone.

And Bush didn't say he "thought". He didn't say "in my opinion". He said "Kerry served honorably and with distinction."

Very artful sidestep, but one of them is lying.

That's a ridiculous argument. His opinion is implied in the statement and in the nature of the question.

How can he know the facts any more than the rest of us? Does he have secret access to the records Kerry has failed to produced, that might shed additional light on what the truth really is?

 

[Tink&SquirtsMom]

John Kerry's Official Naval Records:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

Article 1 that talks about the Swift Boat Vets OWN statements at the time, contradicting what they are saying now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13267-2004Aug18.html

Article 2 discusses the same thing. Scroll down to see a comparison between Kerry's military records, the swift boat's members military records, and the difference between those and their new account of what happened.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21239-2004Aug21.html

Article 3 discusses some of the Swift boat members and sites occasions as recent as 2003 where they had publicly applauded John Kerry for his actions in Vietnam. It also discusses the links between the funding for SBVT and Bush and Rove.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/politics/campaign/20swift.html?pagewanted=2

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by peachgirl
You mean to tell me that the President of the United States is not as informed as you????

Because you Dawn, certainly know for a fact that Kerry did not serve his country honorably. Right?

It certainly isn't just your own personal opinion, is it?

In my opinion he did not and I will base that on the fact that he left Viet Nam in four months with nothing more than superficial wounds and the wounds he inflicted on his crew mates and the 2.5 million who served in Viet Nam, including POW's by his testimony accusing his fellow service men of war crimes are incalculable. The POW's heard his words however, in the Hanoi Hilton.

 

[Tink&SquirtsMom]

In my opinion he did not and I will base that on the fact that he left Viet Nam in four months with nothing more than superficial wounds and the wounds he inflicted on his crew mates and the 2.5 million who served in Viet Nam, including POW's by his testimony accusing his fellow service men of war crimes are incalculable. The POW's heard his words however, in the Hanoi Hilton.

Did Bush serve honorably having spent no time in Vietnam? Did the current soldier who reported the misconduct at Abu Gharib serve honorably even though by telling what was going on he was exposing the war crimes of fellow solidiers? Would you dare tell a soldier coming home from Iraq or Afghanistan today with nothing more then "superficial wounds" that they had not served honorably?

 

[jennyanydots]

The Oregon Bar is investigating a swift boat liar for making a false affidavit. See http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=70418



OREGON CITY, Ore. - Clackamas County veterans are calling for the resignation of an assistant district attorney who appeared in television ads attacking Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's military record…..



Veteran Don Stewart says he believes it was outrageous that French would try to smear Kerry's military record.

"Mr. French signed an affidavit defaming John Kerry's military service and then he admitted that he had no first-hand knowledge of what he swore to," Stewart said on Monday. "Someone who the community trusts to carry out the law cannot be lying in sworn, legal affidavits."

On Monday, French would neither confirm nor deny the reports that he did not witness the events mentioned in the affidavit.

The Oregon State Bar says they have received enough complaints to look into the matter, with the main question being whether French violated ethics.