Should have walked the reservation

[DebbieB]

So, let's say your vacation (Person A) is planned for Jan 1-7. You would be able to book at 180 days out from that, around July 1. Because of the way it works, you can actually book through Jan 7 on July 1 since it would be a part of your reservation, even though you are actually 187 days out. So if someone (Person B) wanted to go on vacation starting Jan 7, they wouldn't be able to book until July 7, and you may have already booked the rooms they wanted from your earlier vacation, even though they are calling at 180 days.

Walking would be Person B calling at July 1 and booking Jan 1-7, then calling July 2, dropping Jan 1, and booking Jan 8 making their reservation Jan 2-8. Person B would then "walk" (keep calling each day, dropping the first day, adding a day on the end) the reservation until they have the dates they originally wanted. This works well when you have very few rooms (like AKV Concierge studios) and very high demand dates.

Just one correction - the home resort priority is 11 months not 180 days. So Feb 1 for Jan 1.

 

[spears2008]

sorry , i wanted to respond earlier but work has been really busy.

..we're blt owners since 09, even before it opened. our experiences
made it clear that there are manipulation that are going on
behind the scenes...that i think is hurting all owners ( average,
non-dvc workers or other timeshares with inside connections)

after what happened to us, we walk every single time. what
others think shouldn't effect your choices when it comes
to your family esp.. what is going on.

from time to time , you will see postings confirming the
things an average owner need to consider in using their
dvc timeshares.

for ex., i read some giving advice in one direction but later
posting contary info....liked...."i own both -dvc & rci, "alwys
trading their rci into dvc ..( though making rooms
comparisons that their rci is better )...but also stating they
would"never" use their dvc to trade into rci..think
about that.

also dvc add some of their stock into rci ...where dvc owners
can't get their rooms....

if i was in charge, i know exactly the changes i would be making.
but first, take the time to gather the statistics so i confirmed
the facts from opinions.

so sorry this happened to you...i think you need to get a hold
of member satif. services...and explained all these factors.

oh, i can't figure out how some are calling any walking immoral.
to me, it just manipulation but within the rules. immoral
is on the other side , where persons are doing things that
paying owners are unable. for ex., reading about a poster
that is a dvc owner/ & a cm ...that goes up to the towl
to drink before going to work ,every day & not
staying @ any resort.

Perhaps I missed your point, but using DVC to trade into RCI gives you very poor value for your DVC points, but using other RCI timeshares to trade to DVC is a great value. This is not contradictory. It also doesn't seem to hurt DVC members to me (just one gal's opinion).

If you own a non-DVC timeshare that is part of the RCI system, you can use that to trade into DVC through RCI and get amazing value. For example, my in-laws own a Mexico all inclusive time share "travel club membership" that costs them about $100 per week, which equals 10 RCI TPUs (there are no annual maintenance fees, so this $100 per week is the total cost). We deposited 3 weeks ($300 in cost) into RCI and were able to book a BLT 1 bed lake view for 7 nights in April 2013. There are fees with RCI for annual membership, a RCI exchange fee + $95 fee to Disney, so it cost about $600 for 1 week in a 1 bed BLT lake view in April (magic season, would have been 301 dvc points). No way you can touch that price using DVC points. The maintenance fees alone on the points for the room would have been 301 * $4.4972 = $1,353 -- well exceeding what we paid exchanging in through RCI.

The opposite also holds true -- it is NOT a good deal to use your DVC points to exchange into RCI. The exchange value that you receive for DVC is very poor. Perhaps you can deposit the 301 dvc points (which you paid $1,353 in annual maintenance and could rent for a minimum of $10 per point (or up to 14-15/pp). To be conservative, I will assume the rental value of the points are $10/pp or $3,010.). You would be able to exchange into units that you can often rent as getaways for less than $400/week through RCI getaways if you are a regular non-DVC RCI member or could reserve through the cash reservation system costing much less than the $3,010 for the week. Therefore, DVC owners should only exchange into RCI as a last resort.

I am a proud owner of BLT and BWV, and love that it guarantees me access to DVC rooms whenever I want, but I truly believe that other non-DVC timeshares provide better value for exchanging into DVC at a fraction of the cost via RCI. It appears that DVC made a poor deal with RCI when they set up their exchanges. However, some DVCers use the RCI exchange to use their points for stays elsewhere based on their own reasons, which may not entirely be economically motivated. It doesn't appear that this is hurting anyone, I'm confused why you think it is. Perhaps the DVC points were going to expire worthless if they didn't deposit into RCI? Getting some value, even if very little compared to what they could have gotten earlier with rental planning, still seems to help the DVC member. If DVC stops RCI trades in, then the RCI trades out will also have to stop.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think anything fishy is going on with RCI.

To address your original point that walking a reservation is the way to go, I AGREE with you. I think it makes sense to walk a reservation. The system is set up as it is and walking a reservation is completely within the rules. As long as you follow the rules, I think it is appropriate to be able to walk a reservation to get the dates you desire.

 

[KalamityJane]

Just one correction - the home resort priority is 11 months not 180 days. So Feb 1 for Jan 1.

Nice catch, you are right, was thinking about ADRs today, mixed the 2 up!

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

muddy waters.

nothing! , nothing i say is about rci....it's all about our experiences,
keeping track & using statistics to determine the "real"
problems. what is lacking for owners, corrective
measures.

if you're a "pure" dvc owner....no rci timeshares/ read what it
being done @ your expense. it is unethical for dvc to offer
any room in their control to rci unless there was a trade out.
those rooms should have went to dvc owners.

if we had someone that really knew what they were doing
( committee) then they would "go" to the statistics &
used that info to close the loopholes, & stop the waste.
...watch the profits go up.

 

[myzel]

Can you explain this further? How does this block other members? I am still trying to figure everything out. Thanks.

As no one seems to have answered you question in a way I might find understandable, here goes. At the 11 month mark "walking" will work, if I want Dec 25 - Jan 2. The 3rd week is usually slower so at 11 months I book from Dec 18 - 25 securing the date I want to check in, now I need only move my res. to Dec 25 check in on Jan 25 because no one can access that room until their 11 month mark. Now doing this at the 7 month mark does not work as well because I as an owner can book around you, say you want Dec 25 - Jan 2, if you book Dec 18 - 25 at your 7 month mark I could still book around you because I am within the 11 month home resort window. I hope this makes it clearer.

 

[geraghty]

oh, i can't figure out how some are calling any walking immoral.
to me, it just manipulation but within the rules.

I agree that it's not immoral but it can be rude and is a waste of resources.

First, on the rude point. Family A tries to book a week that starts at their 7 or 11 month window. Family B wants the same accommodation the following week. Family B could book family A room, and by walking, have their room tied up for 7 days while they are walking over a week that they had no intention on using. This could cause family A to book another room type or location and than have to waitlist. Which could than cause another family to lose a room they wanted. Essentially snowballing into several different families. It could also cause Family A to lose their room all together by others waitlisting one or two days while family A waits for the entire week. Or it could have no effect on any family because there was plenty of availability, which means family B just wasted their time every day.

Booking and making changes is not free, but it does not cost the owner anymore money. Our dues pay for member service. All this extra calling either ties up resources or leads us all to pay more to cover the additional calls.

I love that we don't have extra fees for booking, changing, cancelling, banking, borrowing and anything else that I left out. However it's not free.

Thank goodness the majority of owners do not practice this technique. I'm not judging either. If you feel you must walk a reservation, than go for it. I just have not seen in a while, anyone bring up the real cost of walking.

 

[chrisaman]

What if you want to just stay a weekend? Would you book a week out for a whole week, then walk into the weekend, then just cancel the extra days?

 

[drusba]

What if you want to just stay a weekend? Would you book a week out for a whole week, then walk into the weekend, then just cancel the extra days?

You could do that (with the last reserved night of the week you initially reserve being the first night you want) but of course you would need enough points to book a week. The issue you need to consider is whether walking is necessary. Most of the time for most categories of rooms it is not. For example, weekends are usually somewhat easier to get than weekdays (weekends have higher points) and getting only two or three nights is also easier than getting more.

 

[chrisaman]

You could do that (with the last reserved night of the week you initially reserve being the first night you want) but of course you would need enough points to book a week. The issue you need to consider is whether walking is necessary. Most of the time for most categories of rooms it is not. For example, weekends are usually somewhat easier to get than weekdays (weekends have higher points) and getting only two or three nights is also easier than getting more.

Just was thinking for Marathon weekend at Disneyland. With only 50 rooms at VGC they prob fill up fast. This is my first year as a member so I am not sure what happens. If I borrow from next year, then cancel, do those points go back to the next year?

 

[CarolMN]

Just was thinking for Marathon weekend at Disneyland. With only 50 rooms at VGC they prob fill up fast. This is my first year as a member so I am not sure what happens. If I borrow from next year, then cancel, do those points go back to the next year?

No, they don't. Borrowing is final transaction. Borrowed points stay in the year into which they were borrowed. They expire at the end of that use year if not used to pay for a stay that ends on or before the last day of the use year.

 

[loveswdw]

Do you think there is any chance I will get the wait list for Hilton Head the week of Easter?

It depends on what your WL'd for. A 2BR is possible but a 1BR or studio, I wouldn't hold my breath. We were on the WL for an HHI 1BR this past April for Easter from 7 months and it didn't come through. Luckily, for 2014, our spring break doesn't fall around Easter so I easily got a 1BR at 7 months. Good luck!

 

[Annielkd22222]

My husband and I talked again, he felt that walking the one day was making it so we would have the reservation and tempt fate. He feels if we are "meant" to go, the waitlist will come through. He also feels that if it doesn't come through we weren't destined to go. So we are leaving it up to fate!

 

[mikek]

this is our 15th year. In the beginning you could only get a day at a time and had to call each morning and add the next day until your whole stay was booked. When they changed the rules so you could call once for the whole trip we thought about if "walking" would be necessary but we never bothered.

We've never not gotten what we want at 11 months. Including 3 stays in grand villas over Christmas. We just get what we want. Always we've at least been trying to book 2 bedroom. At times we wanted a 2BR and a studio. Other times we wanted a grand villa. Can't speak to 1 bedrooms.

At 7 months the only thing we have not gotten is a grand villa/cottage at VB (which is totally understandable since you can count them on your fingers). A couple times i think we wait listed but we wait listed at 7 months and well before we got to a point of needing to buy plane tickets we were all set. This even includes times when we were missing a day or 2 in the middle of a stay.

I supposed VB or HH grand villas might be a different animal but it's just been our experience that it doesn't require all that much effort besides calling at 11 months or 7 months.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

not that it matter....i wasn't defending or seeking approval, just
trying to see how others saw walking as an ethic issue.

the big picture....something stinks inside....to me, it does not
make any sense why dvc would not be trying to place members
first.

i suspect , just from reading here, the "experts" and too many
dvc personnel are double dipping/taking all kinds of rooms away
from members..in all kind of ways that shouldn't be. now that
observation came from reading many of the posts here &
keeping track to our own circumstances. even more so, based
on some very unsavory things that happened to us on our
first ...and even continuing to our most recent.

what is needed , is for more owners taking an actice
interest in their ownership & i like to see dvc start an audit
program ever year & make it public. also due to conflict
of interests, dvc need to remove it self from the rci
timeshares --or any future timeshares so the workers
can't be an owner in both.

while these observations may irks or make some uncomfortable
here...it is self evident why....these are just some of the
improvements dvc could be doing....like reducing renting by
only making it for the person home resorts. no room requests
or wait lists for renters, so these benefits would be for
the owners.., you know ? --the group dvc should be benefiting?

on another thread, an renter asked about the trading fee
in ,& to confirmed the revs..not only it was an odd ? --more
liked to elicited a response , lead me to believe it was a
"fellow" rci owner...trying to "turn in" the person for trading
into dvc,then renting. it is dvc...business, & they should
cut these timeshares out. but if you are a just a dvc owner
only,,, wondering "why" ...rci owners are doing this to the
extent of running a business? as the poster asking the
question..funny he/her never return. maybe not.

sooner or later, & the added locations like hawaii---it just
makes sense & even bigger $$$, for dvc to end this current
problematic timeshare.....& create their own empire.

as owners , we are still learning & watching. we will checked
/followup all of ours revs., because it behoove us not to
trust all that is going on. it 's a simple rule to go by --
the easiest way to break one trust is to lied. ( i liked to
sit down with dvc & showed a few of the shocking
threads just from this site....)

 

[bumbershoot]

..we're blt owners since 09, even before it opened. our experiences
made it clear that there are manipulation that are going on
behind the scenes...that i think is hurting all owners ( average,
non-dvc workers or other timeshares with inside connections)

We've owned the same place for the same period of time and have seen nothing like this.

after what happened to us, we walk every single time. what
others think shouldn't effect your choices when it comes
to your family esp.. what is going on.

If I were to have taken a guess as to where you fell on this issue I would have been wrong. I'm actually pretty shocked that you walk reservations. Interesting.

from time to time , you will see postings confirming the
things an average owner need to consider in using their
dvc timeshares.

for ex., i read some giving advice in one direction but later
posting contary info....liked...."i own both -dvc & rci, "alwys
trading their rci into dvc ..( though making rooms
comparisons that their rci is better )...but also stating they
would"never" use their dvc to trade into rci..think
about that.

Thinking about it, I think that it makes sense. Plenty of people own more than one timeshare. And we all want to use them in the way that makes the most sense. For you, you walk reservations because that makes sense to you. For us, we do not. I guess we fall more in line with the OP's husband. If I owned another timeshare I would use them in the ways that made sense to us.

also dvc add some of their stock into rci ...where dvc owners
can't get their rooms....

if i was in charge, i know exactly the changes i would be making.
but first, take the time to gather the statistics so i confirmed
the facts from opinions.

so sorry this happened to you...i think you need to get a hold
of member satif. services...and explained all these factors.


They CHOSE to not walk it. Therefore, the room was available for someone else to book. What factors are there that change the situation? And it's inside of 7 months so the walking might not have helped at all.

oh, i can't figure out how some are calling any walking immoral.
to me, it just manipulation but within the rules. immoral
is on the other side , where persons are doing things that
paying owners are unable. for ex., reading about a poster
that is a dvc owner/ & a cm ...that goes up to the towl
to drink before going to work ,every day & not
staying @ any resort.

NO ONE called it immoral.

And what? A CM drinks before work, and your issue is that they do it at TOWL without staying onsite? Where did you read this?

muddy waters.

nothing! , nothing i say is about rci....it's all about our experiences,
keeping track & using statistics to determine the "real"
problems. what is lacking for owners, corrective
measures.

if you're a "pure" dvc owner....no rci timeshares/ read what it
being done @ your expense. it is unethical for dvc to offer
any room in their control to rci unless there was a trade out.
those rooms should have went to dvc owners.

As a fellow "pure" DVC owner, I really really want to know why you think DVC trades rooms without a, well, trade.

if we had someone that really knew what they were doing
( committee) then they would "go" to the statistics &
used that info to close the loopholes, & stop the waste.
...watch the profits go up.

What waste, what loopholes? Why do you think there isn't anyone watching? I just don't understand.

First, on the rude point. Family A tries to book a week that starts at their 7 or 11 month window. Family B wants the same accommodation the following week. Family B could book family A room, and by walking, have their room tied up for 7 days while they are walking over a week that they had no intention on using. This could cause family A to book another room type or location and than have to waitlist. Which could than cause another family to lose a room they wanted. Essentially snowballing into several different families. It could also cause Family A to lose their room all together by others waitlisting one or two days while family A waits for the entire week. Or it could have no effect on any family because there was plenty of availability, which means family B just wasted their time every day.

It's a good point, but living in the world means that we take up resources another person might have wanted. If I'm shopping for a dress and I pick up something from the clearance rack, continue to shop, an hour later get to the dressing room and try it on and find out I don't like the way it looks, I have taken the opportunity to buy that dress away from someone for that hour. If I book a reservation then later on realize I can't go, the people who wanted that reservation in the meantime won't have gotten it.

Just the way it goes.

My husband and I talked again, he felt that walking the one day was making it so we would have the reservation and tempt fate. He feels if we are "meant" to go, the waitlist will come through. He also feels that if it doesn't come through we weren't destined to go. So we are leaving it up to fate!

At first I thought "grr" at him, because his decision/feelings have messed with YOUR vacation. But then I realized that DH and I both sort of live our lives in that way anyway. When we push to make something happen, it has yet to work out well for us. If we try to just let things come to us it works out better.

That said, if the reservation comes to you, it might be because someone else walked the reservation. So...walking might still be involved.

not that it matter....i wasn't defending or seeking approval, just
trying to see how others saw walking as an ethic issue.

the big picture....something stinks inside....to me, it does not
make any sense why dvc would not be trying to place members
first.

Why do you think members aren't first? Who IS first? OK well their bottom line is first, as it should be in any company. But is there someone between the bottom line and the members? Who?

i suspect , just from reading here, the "experts" and too many
dvc personnel are double dipping/taking all kinds of rooms away
from members..in all kind of ways that shouldn't be. now that
observation came from reading many of the posts here &
keeping track to our own circumstances. even more so, based
on some very unsavory things that happened to us on our
first ...and even continuing to our most recent.

Which posts? Please do share.

what is needed , is for more owners taking an actice
interest in their ownership & i like to see dvc start an audit
program ever year & make it public. also due to conflict
of interests, dvc need to remove it self from the rci
timeshares --or any future timeshares so the workers
can't be an owner in both.

So now someone working a low-wage job is ALSO not allowed to own any timeshare they want? This sounds OK to you? Doesn't sound OK to me. What do you want DVC to audit?

while these observations may irks or make some uncomfortable
here...it is self evident why....these are just some of the
improvements dvc could be doing....like reducing renting by
only making it for the person home resorts. no room requests
or wait lists for renters, so these benefits would be for
the owners.., you know ? --the group dvc should be benefiting?

You don't make me uncomfortable or irk me. Your assertions don't make any sense to me, though, and I would LOVE some concrete facts rather than "this one time I read of a CM drinking in the lounge before work".

Explain HOW you would implement your wishes? I make a room reservation for myself. I realize I can't go. I let my cousins take it over instead. HOW EXACTLY do you, as DVC, cause me to prove my cousins didn't pay me? How exactly do you cause me to prove they are my cousins? My birth cert, my mom's birth cert, her sister's birth cert (to show the same parents as my mom...uh oh, what if one of them had been adopted?), and then cousin's birth cert? Oh but my husband is the owner. His name, our marriage certificate, then all the birth certificates? What if we put it in my cousin's HUSBAND's name? Then we have their marriage certificate too?

And how would requests or rentals for me impact you any differently than requests or rentals for my cousin, or requests or rentals for some random person I met who wants to give me some money for making that reservation? It doesn't change your stay anymore than it would change it if it were for me. Oh wait, for my husband. Because he's the owner.

on another thread, an renter asked about the trading fee
in ,& to confirmed the revs..not only it was an odd ? --more
liked to elicited a response , lead me to believe it was a
"fellow" rci owner...trying to "turn in" the person for trading
into dvc,then renting. it is dvc...business, & they should
cut these timeshares out. but if you are a just a dvc owner
only,,, wondering "why" ...rci owners are doing this to the
extent of running a business? as the poster asking the
question..funny he/her never return. maybe not.

Shouldn't you be happy if an RCI owner "outed" an "illegal" trade/reservation like that? I don't understand.

What is "revs"?

As a DVC-only owner (associate) I think I know (but I might be getting fees confuzzled) that an RCI owner is allowed to trade in to DVC, but they are NOT allowed to then rent that reservation. If they are charging a fee, it means they are renting it out, and that reservation could be canceled if RCI/DVC found out. If the renter that asked about the fee never came back (and I never saw the thread at all, just going by your memory of it) mightn't it have simply been because, and I'm assuming here, he found out that being charged the $95 meant that it wasn't allowed, so he didn't go through with it?

sooner or later, & the added locations like hawaii---it just
makes sense & even bigger $$$, for dvc to end this current
problematic timeshare.....& create their own empire.

as owners , we are still learning & watching. we will checked
/followup all of ours revs., because it behoove us not to
trust all that is going on. it 's a simple rule to go by --
the easiest way to break one trust is to lied. ( i liked to
sit down with dvc & showed a few of the shocking
threads just from this site....)

I don't remember seeing any shocking threads on the DVC boards. I am here almost every day but I must just see different threads.

Does "revs" mean reservation? Like "resv"? So confused. Why do I have to check and follow up on our reservations? I made them, the only time any have appeared to disappear was a couple years back when they changed their minds about having multiple "split stays" under one reservation number. Scary but easily figured out once the panic attack slowed.

 

[Msmithmd]

Bumbershoot-that post made my day. And probably took all of yours to write. Strong work; a great read. Cheers...

 

[Annielkd22222]

I feel so guilty for posting now. I wasn't actally trying to spark controversy....just venting. I still believe things happen for a reason. We were not meant to go....and there was a plan for us.

 

[twinsouvenirs]

Amen! My DH is in the 'eyes glaze over' category.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

i find it more of an indication that the "powerball" players side
step the main issues. ( to me, a powerball poster is one that
have demonstrated great insights in the ways a person can
get the most out of dvc or/ either rci. ) . i hope it isn't because
they are working inside dvc & be advised not to respond here
because of the "free education" they were giving to regular
dvc owners.

..fyi, when we brought 3 contracts,all direct, @ blt. now we have
many friends with other time shares.....so we took their advice
under our consideration before we brought. i think it is really
interesting that all of them were advising that all "time shares"
are junk! do not buy! we got lucky with a guide that also
own other timeshares & were willing to answer our questions.
unfortunately, he became ill and had to leave due to health
problems.

i am saying if dvc stopped their rci trades, that would damage
them & would not effect dvc @ all. that this relationship
is one way, and takes away rooms for dvc owners. i expect
dvc to be "for"/pro-active toward dvc owners...& it is insulting
whenever dvc add any room-even ssr to rci from their
inventory. why shouldn't dvc inventories benefit dvc owners?

i said this before, but if you are a primary rci owner and only
own a dvc small contract...then your position to protect the
dvc/rci trading-does make sense. in reality, there are actual
several "sub" groups & pending "where" you are, goes a
long way in explaining your/any responses. surely, dvc
understand this? also there are hundred of measures,
dvc should take...to reduce the risks ..like profess.
rci ( i think inside their organization) to curtail those
risks....like rci owners being limited to only one
trade in q 3years...so "more" rci owners can trade in.

also when another poster makes a negative point , esp.
using a personal presentation then i pay attention to
other types of posts that helps determine their motivation.

now i don't feel like going into every lil'detail...just know that i
read across the boards & "pay attention" to what others are
talking about, esp. if they boast about being a cm. i also
have "copy" posts that reflect critical thinking or validated specific
information that can effect our dvc. ( like the cm/dvc owner
telling how he goes up to towl q day prior to going to work.
he was trying to impress another poster, not realizing he
was creating concerns for me..about letting our children use
the lounge..esp. our daughter. )

all i know , we have had some very unexpected things with
our dvc. for example. when we went to set up our very
first blt stay, we also had a dvc manger helping us...& what
happened ...shocked him too. we were on a high, high
priority list, exactly @ the 11mos ..and yet when more
rooms came open ...we never got it...until i got involved
after the fact.

there are many things happening to owners , that if they
thought about it....should have never happened..even once.
oh, you can it to the bank....whenever i made any
reference to another poster i think are outside...it is
from something they posted..and i copied those that
could have an effect on our dvc usage. ( liked profess.
renters...could take a room away that should have
been available to dvc owners.)

so if your a dvc owner without inside connections, i think
it will behooves you to learn "operations", ask questions,
and pay attention to your dvc activities.

oh, sorry for taking so long..i have been working too much
over time , & i am no longer a "kid". i also have many interests
outside the disney. one of my favorites, we brought this
old country farm & for the last ten years been restoring it
back to "nature". just this year, my trail camera caught
16 trophy bucks ...many hanging out together. i just
love wildlife & enjoy supporting them.

 

[murft456]

i find it more of an indication that the "powerball" players side
step the main issues. ( to me, a powerball poster is one that
have demonstrated great insights in the ways a person can
get the most out of dvc or/ either rci. ) . i hope it isn't because
they are working inside dvc & be advised not to respond here
because of the "free education" they were giving to regular
dvc owners.

..fyi, when we brought 3 contracts,all direct, @ blt. now we have
many friends with other time shares.....so we took their advice
under our consideration before we brought. i think it is really
interesting that all of them were advising that all "time shares"
are junk! do not buy! we got lucky with a guide that also
own other timeshares & were willing to answer our questions.
unfortunately, he became ill and had to leave due to health
problems.

i am saying if dvc stopped their rci trades, that would damage
them & would not effect dvc @ all. that this relationship
is one way, and takes away rooms for dvc owners. i expect
dvc to be "for"/pro-active toward dvc owners...& it is insulting
whenever dvc add any room-even ssr to rci from their
inventory. why shouldn't dvc inventories benefit dvc owners?

i said this before, but if you are a primary rci owner and only
own a dvc small contract...then your position to protect the
dvc/rci trading-does make sense. in reality, there are actual
several "sub" groups & pending "where" you are, goes a
long way in explaining your/any responses. surely, dvc
understand this? also there are hundred of measures,
dvc should take...to reduce the risks ..like profess.
rci ( i think inside their organization) to curtail those
risks....like rci owners being limited to only one
trade in q 3years...so "more" rci owners can trade in.

also when another poster makes a negative point , esp.
using a personal presentation then i pay attention to
other types of posts that helps determine their motivation.

now i don't feel like going into every lil'detail...just know that i
read across the boards & "pay attention" to what others are
talking about, esp. if they boast about being a cm. i also
have "copy" posts that reflect critical thinking or validated specific
information that can effect our dvc. ( like the cm/dvc owner
telling how he goes up to towl q day prior to going to work.
he was trying to impress another poster, not realizing he
was creating concerns for me..about letting our children use
the lounge..esp. our daughter. )

all i know , we have had some very unexpected things with
our dvc. for example. when we went to set up our very
first blt stay, we also had a dvc manger helping us...& what
happened ...shocked him too. we were on a high, high
priority list, exactly @ the 11mos ..and yet when more
rooms came open ...we never got it...until i got involved
after the fact.

there are many things happening to owners , that if they
thought about it....should have never happened..even once.
oh, you can it to the bank....whenever i made any
reference to another poster i think are outside...it is
from something they posted..and i copied those that
could have an effect on our dvc usage. ( liked profess.
renters...could take a room away that should have
been available to dvc owners.)

so if your a dvc owner without inside connections, i think
it will behooves you to learn "operations", ask questions,
and pay attention to your dvc activities.

oh, sorry for taking so long..i have been working too much
over time , & i am no longer a "kid". i also have many interests
outside the disney. one of my favorites, we brought this
old country farm & for the last ten years been restoring it
back to "nature". just this year, my trail camera caught
16 trophy bucks ...many hanging out together. i just
love wildlife & enjoy supporting them.

You don't know what your talking about with RCI they only exchange weeks or points when a dvc member trades there points to go to a non disney destanation rci know controls the points to book disney vacations they dont get any points as a buffer we own both DVC and RCI also RCI does not control points from the start to sum this up a dvc member must give up dvc points for a rci member to book dinsey.