Should BCS System be abolished for Playoff system

[ICF]

If I read it right a one loss Utah or BSU wouldn't even get a shot but a 2 loss OSU or three loss Missouri still get the big money?

It depends on if you want the 16 best teams or 16 best stories....

The issue would be....is an undefeated Ball State team (GO CARDS!!) really one of the best 16 teams (same with BYU). If they go undefeated, I think they would deserve a shot...but if they have a loss, do they deserve it?

You could expand the "automatic" bid for 1 of the 16 slots to other conferences champs but who do you add? MAC, Big Sky, Moutain West, somebody else...do you add them all? This year they could have 3 teams "earn" they way in, but what about most years?

Sometimes the best 16 schools may have more then 1 loss, but generally I would be surprised if many 3 loss teams would be playing for conf championships or ranked in the top 15.

 

[Anewman]

-Win your conference, you're in. That way, no crying.

Really...

So that would rule out half of the teams that are currently in the top 10, but include a team like TROY(7-4) that is not even ranked(rightfully so). And not that Notre Dame is doing well, but you know they have no confrence to win since they are independent, right?

Again folks, when your team gets hosed... even with playoffs you will find reasons to cry.

 

[declansdad]

It depends on if you want the 16 best teams or 16 best stories....

The issue would be....is an undefeated Ball State team (GO CARDS!!) really one of the best 16 teams (same with BYU). If they go undefeated, I think they would deserve a shot...but if they have a loss, do they deserve it?

You could expand the "automatic" bid for 1 of the 16 slots to other conferences champs but who do you add? MAC, Big Sky, Moutain West, somebody else...do you add them all? This year they could have 3 teams "earn" they way in, but what about most years?

Sometimes the best 16 schools may have more then 1 loss, but generally I would be surprised if many 3 loss teams would be playing for conf championships or ranked in the top 15.

You will never really know which team is better as long as it is based on votes and computers.

 

[declansdad]

Really...

So that would rule out half of the teams that are currently in the top 10, but include a team like TROY(7-4) that is not even ranked(rightfully so). And not that Notre Dame is doing well, but you know they have no confrence to win since they are independent, right?

Again folks, when your team gets hosed... even with playoffs you will find reasons to cry.

Winning a conference should mean something and get rid of the independents.

 

[rascalmom]

Winning a conference should mean something and get rid of the independents.

That wouldn't fix a lot of the complaints in this year's situation - the Big 12 will come out with a conference winner on Saturday night. No matter whether it is Oklahoma (Boomer Sooner!!) or Mizzou, we will still hear complaints from Texas.

I think the idea of a playoff system falls short of what the reality would be. I don't think it would make everyone happy - and this program works for the universities and the students (not just players - the students who attend the games, the cheer squads, the bands, etc., etc., are all affected by any lengthening of the season and travel expenses add up quickly).

 

[Anewman]

Winning a conference should mean something and get rid of the independents.

It does mean something, it means they won their conference and nothing more.

Take a team like Troy that has clinched their conference.
They beat teams like Florida Atlantic and Middle Tennessee State, but lost to both ranked teams they played and also lost to Louisiana-Monroe.

So by winning their Conference they would get in before teams Like TEXAS or Florida if they dont win their conferences. Sorry, IMO that would be a bigger fiasco than what we currently have.

 

[declansdad]

It does mean something, it means they won their conference and nothing more.

Take a team like Troy that has clinched their conference.
They beat teams like Florida Atlantic and Middle Tennessee State, but lost to both ranked teams they played and also lost to Louisiana-Monroe.

So by winning their Conference they would get in before teams Like TEXAS or Florida if they dont win their conferences. Sorry, IMO that would be a bigger fiasco than what we currently have.

I don't agree. In most sports (pro, amateur, college) you win your conference in order to move on. Why does Division 1 football have to be any different?

You also wouldn't need to lengthen the season. Play few regular season games and play through December.

 

[jimmiej]

Really...

So that would rule out half of the teams that are currently in the top 10, but include a team like TROY(7-4) that is not even ranked(rightfully so). And not that Notre Dame is doing well, but you know they have no confrence to win since they are independent, right?

Again folks, when your team gets hosed... even with playoffs you will find reasons to cry.

ND...join a conference!

They might need to create another level for just the larger schools. ???

 

[KyraS]

I haven't even read the threads, just the question and my answer is,

YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!

 

[sanfran22]

One of the items that President Elect Obama mentioned on his Sixty Minutes interview a couple of weeks ago was the adoption of a playoff system and getting rid of the BCS. After the Longhorns got abused this week, I think that this will be a very popular position and it seems that others agree http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/12/02/1696506.aspxThe BCS must go. Everyother major sport has a playoff system. I am not sure if the use of the antitrust laws is the best way to get rid of the BCS but anything is better than the existing system.

I believe that Texas may actually be competitive in 2012 if President Elect Obama is successful in getting a playoff system established (of course the growth of the hispanic voting block in Texas will also help make Texas a potential swing state in 2012). Texans take college football very seriously.

Obama should have no say on this matter....

 

[Anewman]

I don't agree. In most sports (pro, amateur, college) you win your conference in order to move on. Why does Division 1 football have to be any different?

So you feel Troy is more worthy than Texas or Florida cuz they won their conference, ok that is your opinion and I will respect it.

In most sports every team plays each team in their conference/division multiple times, in DI football there are too many teams to allow everyone anything close to that. That is why it is different. BCS has to determine if USC is Better than TEXAS without them facing each other, or even having faced the same teams.

You also wouldn't need to lengthen the season. Play few regular season games and play through December.

Sure shorten the season... That will make it easier to select the top 8 teams...

 

[sanfran22]

Now you know how it feels to be a Boise State fan Texas got the short end of the stick this year but I'm sure they will still end up in a bowl and leave with about 18 million reason$ to be happy. BSU on the other hand will sit home and watch two loss OSU lose another BCS bowl game.

Boise state...seriously?? I'm Sorry, maybe join a real conference and get there.....And how many BCS Championships has OSU been to? They did win one remember.

 

[declansdad]

So you feel Troy is more worthy than Texas or Florida cuz they won their conference, ok that is your opinion and I will respect it.

In most sports every team plays each team in their conference/division multiple times, in DI football there are too many teams to allow everyone anything close to that. That is why it is different. BCS has to determine if USC is Better than TEXAS without them facing each other, or even having faced the same teams.




Sure shorten the season... That will make it easier to select the top 8 teams...

I don't know if Troy is more deserving, I don't even know who they are. Given the system that they compete in now, know one will ever know who they are. They have no chance of getting consistent national exposure and no chance of getting the big money bowl games. Both of these things will hurt them when it comes to recruiting and keep them in the lower tier.

I didn't say shorten the season, I said play fewer regular season games and play through December. That would allow for a playoff, both conference and national. Set up a true conference system and make it meaningful.

The only real reason for not changing the current system is money.

 

[Anewman]

I didn't say shorten the season, I said play fewer regular season games...

sorry I missunderstood

I don't know if Troy is more deserving, I don't even know who they are. Given the system that they compete in now, know one will ever know who they are. They have no chance of getting consistent national exposure and no chance of getting the big money bowl games. Both of these things will hurt them when it comes to recruiting and keep them in the lower tier.

sorry but that is not correct.

They lost 4 games this year, they lost to both ranked teams they faced and they lost to Louisiana-Monroe which is a HORRIBLE team.

Had they gone undefeated and beat up on the all the weak teams on their schedule they would be in the BIG MONEY BOWL games. I think it would be a joke to match them up with ALABAMA just cuz they won their weak conference.

 

[dnoyes]

Boise state...seriously?? I'm Sorry, maybe join a real conference and get there.....And how many BCS Championships has OSU been to? They did win one remember.

The conference is not the only problem. Getting teams to play us is the real problem. We went to Oregon this September and beat the Ducks (first OOC team to win there in 24 years) and to repay us they are now trying to buy out the contract and not play us in Boise next year. Same old story ........... different team.

 

[declansdad]

sorry I missunderstood




sorry but that is not correct.

They lost 4 games this year, they lost to both ranked teams they faced and they lost to Louisiana-Monroe which is a HORRIBLE team.

Had they gone undefeated and beat up on the all the weak teams on their schedule they would be in the BIG MONEY BOWL games. I think it would be a joke to match them up with ALABAMA just cuz they won their weak conference.

I guess we will continue to disagree. They could go undefeated this year and make it to a bowl game but they would be soon be forgotten unless they could do that every year. A school in a small conference will never be given the same consideration as one of the "big" schools by the national media.

Now if there was a playoff system that allowed the conference champions to play against each other, they may have a chance. They could develop into a strong program within the conference and challenge each year. By doing so they could gain exposure in a playoff system. This in turn would help with recruiting and in turn build a stronger team and challenge for a national championship that is won on the field, not by vote.

 

[CarlaKay]

Winning a conference should mean something and get rid of the independents.

It depends of on the conference. The Big 12 had three top 8 teams. Do you want to cut two of these teams for some smaller conferences?

 

[CarlaKay]

Obama should have no say on this matter....

The bowls and the BCS has a sweetheart deal that they will not give up with a fight. No one but Congress and the White House has the storke to force change here. As noted in the OP, Congress may call hearings on the possible anti-trust violations inherent in the current system. The Obama white house could force negotiations and compromise here using the pressure of a DOJ investigation.

The current system is not going to change without pressure. The bowls and the networks are making too much money and will not change unless forced.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

As noted in the OP, Congress may call hearings on the possible anti-trust violations inherent in the current system. The Obama white house could force negotiations and compromise here using the pressure of a DOJ investigation.

Oh, Goody!!! Another excellent example of Congress at work on the important issues!

 

[londonderrydisneyfan]

I don't agree. In most sports (pro, amateur, college) you win your conference in order to move on. Why does Division 1 football have to be any different?

You also wouldn't need to lengthen the season. Play few regular season games and play through December.

Can you name one sport, pro or college, that requires teams to win their conferences to make the playoffs? Winning a conference guarantees a spot in the playoffs, but pretty much every sport I can think of allows for at large/wild card teams that don't win their division. I don't see why college football should be any different if they decided to institute a playoff for division 1.