Serial Podcast

[wvjules]

Jay Speaks! https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/29/exclusive-interview-jay-wilds-star-witness-adnan-syed-serial-case-pt-1/ No surprise here. Jay is a lying liar who lies. Once again, his series of events is completely different

So now he saw the body in the trunk in front of his grandparents house? And he didn't help bury her? He's so full of it.

 

[Cando86]

I also found it interesting how he claimed that he knew Adnan no more than as an acquaintance yet seemed to know quite a lot about him - how he felt like a "loser" after he lost Hae, felt like others were trying to make him into something he wasn't, etc... I'm pretty sure my "acquaintances" don't know that detailed of information about me. Either Jay is lying (SURPRISE!) about his relationship with Adnan or he is lying about these things he presumes to know.

 

[mefordis]

Does anyone have a theory on what really happened? I felt that Adnan's tone was just one of resignation, that he had no fight in him. It kind of made me think maybe he felt he deserved to be there.

I don't see any motive for Jay killing the girl. Also, it seems like if they did it together Adnan would want to plea, unless he felt strongly about preserving his family's honor by not admitting to it.

 

[AMW86]

Does anyone have a theory on what really happened? I felt that Adnan's tone was just one of resignation, that he had no fight in him. It kind of made me think maybe he felt he deserved to be there.

I don't see any motive for Jay killing the girl. Also, it seems like if they did it together Adnan would want to plea, unless he felt strongly about preserving his family's honor by not admitting to it.

I have no clue what really happened. I definitely think Jay was involved since he gave too much information to the police to be totally making it up. But I don't know why he would do it himself. On the other hand, he is such a liar that I am not convinced that Adnan murdered her. I thought the strongest evidence against Adnan was that his cell phone pinged near Leakin Park during the time that Jay said they were burying the body (around 8PM). But now Jay changed his story on that again and said they didn't go to the park until midnight.

And I think anyone in Adnan's position would be resigned, guilty or not. I worked on a lot of post conviction reviews in the past, and getting a new trial on an ineffective assistance of counsel claim, which is all he has left, is extremely difficult. The standard is very difficult to meet, and I am sure he knows that

 

[nkereina]

I hope no one minds me reviving this old thread, but I'm late to the party with the Serial phenomenon. I finished up all the episodes right after New Year's and just saw a story yesterday that Asia McClain is stepping up and providing an affidavit for the motions Adnan's new counsel is submitting, in hopes of getting a re-trial I guess.

My personal opinion is that Jay and Adnan were both involved, but Jay did the actual killing. One theory I read which sounded most plausible to me was that Adnan wanted Hae killed (for various reasons) and went to Jay to get it done because Jay was the "troubled" kid of the school. The one most likely to do something like that. This explains how Jay knew so much, and also explains why Adnan would confide in Jay even though they were merely acquantainces. It also explains why Jay would so easily turn on Adnan.

 

[sonnyjane]

I hope no one minds me reviving this old thread, but I'm late to the party with the Serial phenomenon. I finished up all the episodes right after New Year's and just saw a story yesterday that Asia McClain is stepping up and providing an affidavit for the motions Adnan's new counsel is submitting, in hopes of getting a re-trial I guess. My personal opinion is that Jay and Adnan were both involved, but Jay did the actual killing. One theory I read which sounded most plausible to me was that Adnan wanted Hae killed (for various reasons) and went to Jay to get it done because Jay was the "troubled" kid of the school. The one most likely to do something like that. This explains how Jay knew so much, and also explains why Adnan would confide in Jay even though they were merely acquantainces. It also explains why Jay would so easily turn on Adnan.

But if Jay was really the one that did killed her for Adnan, there's no way he would turn on Adnan. Adnan would be able to throw him under the bus so easily and provide evidence that Jay did it.

 

[ashley0139]

My theory is that Adnan did it, but that the timeline is different than the state says. So he had his story all planned out for the time of the murder, but not the time the state wants him to account for, which is why he can't. It would still be incriminating, but not the actual time of the murder.

 

[BadgerGirl84]

My theory is that Adnan did it, but that the timeline is different than the state says. So he had his story all planned out for the time of the murder, but not the time the state wants him to account for, which is why he can't. It would still be incriminating, but not the actual time of the murder.

Agreed.

 

[Lady Marie]

I'm late to the party on this one too.

I don't have any idea what I believe really. My opinion fluctuated between Adnan and Jay from episode to episode, and I still don't feel like there is enough either way to form an opinion. I also have not done the extra reading on all the online forums dedicated to it either so that could have something to do with it.

Interesting point brought up about the timelines just differentiating---but Adnan still being guilty.

I think I need to re-listen more critically and carefully now that I am out of binge-mode! And definitely going to check out that other podcast mentioned!

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I came away from the podcast not sure what to think. I kind of leaned towards Adnan's innocence but there were things I kept getting hung up on that gave me doubts.

However, in light of the new information that's come out since, and after spending way too much time on the Serial subreddit, I'm feeling it's more and more likely that Adnan truly didn't have anything to do with it.

I think there's something to the 3rd party theory and things get really interesting and start to fall into place the more we learn about "Grandma's House" and the details of Jay's plea deal. Many parts of Jay's stories make more sense if you realize who he's protecting and start replacing "Adnan" with "Jay" and "Jay" with "3rd party".

 

[nkereina]

But if Jay was really the one that did killed her for Adnan, there's no way he would turn on Adnan. Adnan would be able to throw him under the bus so easily and provide evidence that Jay did it.

Why not? If the cops were hot on their trail and/or Adnan/Jay made some mistakes (which they did), then perhaps Jay wanted to get out in front of it and come before the cops with a story about Adnan doing it all on his own. Jay was able to avoid jail time, pinning the whole thing on Adnan. Assuming Adnan asked Jay to do the killing for him, Adnan had to be very careful about what he said in defense of Jay's accusations because it could have incriminated him and thus ruined his defense. Perhaps Adnan could have proven that Jay did it (not sure what evidence he would have had if the conversations were in person), but that still would have incriminated himself and it sounds like the defense attorneys weren't willing to go down that road - which ultimately backfired.

 

[queenofthehive]

New news heard on NPR released 2/7/15-

The subject of the popular public radio "Serial" podcast, who was convicted as a teenager 15 years ago in the murder of his ex-girlfriend, has been granted an appeal.

The Maryland Court of Special Appeals has granted the request for review from Adnan Syed, whose case has been examined in-depth in the podcasts, which raised questions about his guilt.

Very interesting....

 

[wvjules]

Anyone listening to Undisclosed?

 

[Hisgirl]

Is that a separate podcast or a new serial?

 

[BadgerGirl84]

Dang... I thought this post was going to be about season 2!

What is undisclosed?

 

[wvjules]

Undisclosed: The State Vs. Adnan Syed by Undisclosed
https://itun.es/us/pIBT6.c


http://undisclosed-podcast.com

The Undisclosed Podcast is a listening experience that reframes, enhances or otherwise shifts everything you've come to know about the State of Maryland's case against Adnan Syed, especially as you've come to know it through listening to Serial. In order to do that, we intend to revisit the case from the beginning, looking at all the available evidence. Not only will we look at the evidence that was presented in Serial, but we will also provide new evidence that we've uncovered in our investigation. We have combed through police and court records that the Serial team did not possess during the podcast, and done much, much more to get to the truth. Accordingly, we aspire to present the best possible version of the events as we believe those events to be. We will also present theories that we believe the evidence best construes. Perhaps most importantly, we will provide you with all of our evidence as part of that process.

We want our listeners to know that this podcast will not give you purely pro-Adnan information or intentionally slant it in his favor. We will present a smart, nuanced legal argument based on the totality of the facts in the case. As attorneys, we pride ourselves on looking dispassionately at facts, analyzing those facts, and applying the appropriate law in our analysis. Our coverage of Adnan's case on our blogs has taken this tack, and we aim to continue our assessments in this new medium. We promise you, our listeners, that our goal in this podcast is not to exonerate Adnan. Our goal is to get to the truth of what happened on January 13, 1999, and we believe that the best way to do so is to analyze all of the available information to come to an informed conclusion. That's what this podcast is all about.

 

[Tinks]

Brining up an old thread for 2 reasons:

1- we just listened to this podcast this weekend for the 1st time. I might be the only one, but I cannot believe anyone but Adnan did it. He used Jay to help him hide the body. Jay has lots of drugs in his life and that is why he is terrified of the police and alters his story (to cover up/hide drug use). I think Jay was afraid that even though he was "helping" the police by coming clean, the police might come after him for the drug use/dealing. I never doubted that Adnan did it. I do doubt that she was murdered between 2:15 and 2:36. The podcast didn't make me question the verdict at all.


2- Adnan is back in court this week. https://www.yahoo.com/gma/adnan-sye...d-retrial-095423985--abc-news-topstories.html

 

[nkereina]

Dang... I thought this post was going to be about season 2!

Speaking of season 2, has anyone been listening to it? I've listened to all the episodes thus far but am not as interested as I was in season 1. I feel like Bergdahl's story is just not as compelling. I read a good article the other day that compared the Making a Murderer phenomenon to Serial season 2. The premise was that Making a Murderer was a mystery about the killing of a young woman (akin to Serial season 1) with lots of unanswered questions that left room to investigate or theorize on your own. Serial season 2 is not about a murder at all, but rather what someone's motives or thought process was during a period of time. Just not as captivating, IMO.

 

[gemini2727]

I started season two also, but it didn't interest me as much either. I've been streaming the James Vancallis murder trial, very sad crime involving a 14 year old girl, closing arguments are Friday. Any other trials watchers?

 

[Vicki926]

I listened to 3 episodes of season 2. Totally uninteresting to me. I didn't keep listening.
Loved season 1-hope they go back to something like that next time.