Seats on the bus

[Wadecool]

I did it that way because I was quoting others and was not sure how to quote just two words out of a long post not to say they don't exist.

My point with that statement was that this thread is making it appear that a very high percentage of people suffer from these ailments which is far from true. Also many of the ailments listed on this board have nothing to do with being unsafe to stand or being at higher risk of dramatic injury in the event of a crash.

"Now I'll just sit back and watch it all hit the fan". Can we assume that the previous quote from post #88 is null and void at this point?

The point that many posters are making here is that you have no idea who on the bus has an invisible ailment and you are in no position to make that judgement. You are also in no position to decide which ailment is deserving of a seat and which should stand. Trying to bring percentages and statistics into this is a little ridiculous.

 

[Mama Who]

so ,given these 2 options. my only option is, give up my seat to the young 30 something and her toddler, while grandma stands. or be considered rude.

guess what? you either trust this granny to hold your kid so you don't have to hold your sleeping kid, OR you hold your sleeping kid. YOU are the rude one, for thinking your young legs are more important than mine. who had the seat first . and was offering a fair compromise. and you wanted ALL or nothing ... and.. WHO is rude?

Wow. You realize this is all straight out of your imagination? Aside from not wanting some stranger holding my kid I never suggested any of this. I promise you, I have no desire to be anywhere NEAR your seat.

 

[Mrsjvb]

I don't think the user meant this at all. It's just very hypocritical that some people can wait in 50 minutes lines standing up but cannot stand for 15 minutes on a bus. If she uses a wc in the park and wants to be guaranteed a seat why not just bring the wc on the bus?

gotta disagree to a point here.

like has been said before. the bus moves/shifts and generally makes you feel like you are standing on an earthquake. and having lived through earthquakes in Japan and CA and just a few weeks ago here in MD it is a helluva lot easier to maintain balance when NOT in the middle of one.

also most lines, i have noticed at least shuffle along every minute or so giving you the opportunity to do a little shifting. Or Play Flamingo as somebody mentioned. SRO busses are not so lenient and tend to be jerky and violent in their maneuvering. so yeah I actually TOTALLY get where people are coming from as far as this specific issue goes.

also I used to be able to walk in from the monorail or the bus stop in to the park entrance, rent a chair and go about my day. But you know what.. the last time at the end of the day even that bit of a walk from turning in the chair and the wait in line and then having to stand.. yeah it killed me. so yes next time I am either bringing my own chair, or renting offsite so I can have it with me at all times, despite me(hoping) not needing it at the resort and I just know It is going to lead to a serious amount of frustration when I have to watch a bus or 2 go by as all the WC spots are taken by people in line ahead of me. and FTR I never do late EMH, we never do hard ticket events and we always tend to be done with a park early dinner time. so it isn;t as if I am needing a bus during what is considered to be a normally high volume time.

 

[Mama Who]

this.

To me it comes down to:

1. It's good manners to offer your seat if you can to someone else.
2. It's good manners to refrain from judging people who don't offer their seats.

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qft.

 

[Rip]

so ,given these 2 options. my only option is, give up my seat to the young 30 something and her toddler, while grandma stands. or be considered rude.

guess what? you either trust this granny to hold your kid so you don't have to hold your sleeping kid, OR you hold your sleeping kid. YOU are the rude one, for thinking your young legs are more important than mine. who had the seat first . and was offering a fair compromise. and you wanted ALL or nothing ... and.. WHO is rude?

See I think the reason that these threads get so heated is because those that don't want to give up their seat to anyone else for most any reason really can't stand the fact that a very large number of people consider that attitude rude. You're getting all bent over a scenario that you made up in your head and going off on someone simply because you don't like being thought of as rude. Besides, I don't think most people that consider offering your seat to a pregnant mom, a mom with an infant, or elderly guests as being polite would look twice at a granny that didn't offer her seat. You know, that whole "and the elderly" thing?

 

[ccgirl]

Well aware that many will disagree. That was very evident this week. I agree that everyone has a right to their seat, just saying that IMO the kind thing to do is offer it up. Chivalry is largely dead.

YOu say chivalry is dead and I say entitlement is the new rage these days. As an RN (if that is what your name means) you should know not all disabilities are visible. And, yes, it has happened to me as well. Did I expect anyone to give up their seat...absolutely not. Did I like standing holding a child; no? So, now I rent a car! I'm in the camp that everyone has the same right to a seat.

 

[KellyNY]

I don't think the user meant this at all. It's just very hypocritical that some people can wait in 50 minutes lines standing up but cannot stand for 15 minutes on a bus. If she uses a wc in the park and wants to be guaranteed a seat why not just bring the wc on the bus?

If there is no difference between moving bus and firm ground in line, then I do not see why anyone holding a baby would need to sit, people hold babies in lines all the time, strollers are parked outside as far as I remember.

 

[KellyNY]

Lots of people are stating that the choice is yours to stand if you get on a crowded bus and you can always wait. We encountered an experience where the bus was already very crowded from the Boardwalk, the bus stopped at the Swan and let a wheelchair on with its party of 6, forcing seated parents with children to stand.

But did not they know that those sits were not for them and could be transformed into area for a wheelchair any time?

 

[dzorn]

I did it that way because I was quoting others and was not sure how to quote just two words out of a long post not to say they don't exist.

My point with that statement was that this thread is making it appear that a very high percentage of people suffer from these ailments which is far from true. Also many of the ailments listed on this board have nothing to do with being unsafe to stand or being at higher risk of dramatic injury in the event of a crash.

So why would you get on a standing room only bus if you felt it was unsafe? Even without the possibility of a hidden disability how do you know the ones sitting did not wait for another bus did so becasue they thougth standing was unsafe, yet you think they should get up for someone who boarded a bus knowing there is not a place to sit. So your safety is more important than someones who waited in line for that seat?

Children also have a lower center of gravity. Also no reason for a toddler not to have a seat. When DD was younger (who BTW does have a hidden disability as least on a good day it's hidden) she would sit on the bus. If a seat was not available I never expected someone to give one up. She would sit on my feet or My DHs, while I stood. If my feet could not handle it we waited for another bus. It's called personal responsibility.

Denise in MI

 

[Sugardimples]

I used to get up and give my seat to people who appeared to be struggling with small children. Then something happened, more than once, and I stopped. A number of times I offered my seat to someone holding a child and instead of them sitting in it, they plunked a teenager into my seat. I am a 60 year old woman - I did not get up so a 13 year old boy could sit and play with a video game.

After this happened multiple times, I stopped offering so often.

 

[dzorn]

In my opinion standing in line and standing on a moving bus that sometimes makes very sharp turns or sudden stops is two different things.

Yep I agree. For some standing on a moving bus would be more like standing in line during an earth quake.

Denise in MI

 

[FireDancer]

Being relatively new to the Dis (and one who reads much more than posts) I had no idea I'd wake up this morning to a 6 page thread. I will attempt to address the many criticisms I have received in this thread and then be silent on the issue.

1. I am now expecting the volume of patients to go way up in the ER today due to all high percentage of "invisible disabilities." Gonna be a rough day at work.

I see, you are new here. What you will notice is that on the DIS the abnormal is the normal and the exception becomes the rule.

In almost every situation it will be assumed a kid that can't behave is "on the spectrum" and not just acting like a brat despite the fact that the vast majority of kids are completely normal but misbehave from time to time. It will be assumed that every normal looking person has a hidden disability even though the vast majority of people just don't.

It is just how it goes.

 

[Disneylvr]

I see, you are new here. What you will notice is that on the DIS the abnormal is the normal and the exception becomes the rule.

In almost every situation it will be assumed a kid that can't behave is "on the spectrum" and not just acting like a brat despite the fact that the vast majority of kids are completely normal but misbehave from time to time. It will be assumed that every normal looking person has a hidden disability even though the vast majority of people just don't.

It is just how it goes.

Your post is completely uncalled for and just plain rude.

 

[janabananas]

gotta disagree to a point here.

like has been said before. the bus moves/shifts and generally makes you feel like you are standing on an earthquake. and having lived through earthquakes in Japan and CA and just a few weeks ago here in MD it is a helluva lot easier to maintain balance when NOT in the middle of one.

also most lines, i have noticed at least shuffle along every minute or so giving you the opportunity to do a little shifting. Or Play Flamingo as somebody mentioned. SRO busses are not so lenient and tend to be jerky and violent in their maneuvering. so yeah I actually TOTALLY get where people are coming from as far as this specific issue goes.

also I used to be able to walk in from the monorail or the bus stop in to the park entrance, rent a chair and go about my day. But you know what.. the last time at the end of the day even that bit of a walk from turning in the chair and the wait in line and then having to stand.. yeah it killed me. so yes next time I am either bringing my own chair, or renting offsite so I can have it with me at all times, despite me(hoping) not needing it at the resort and I just know It is going to lead to a serious amount of frustration when I have to watch a bus or 2 go by as all the WC spots are taken by people in line ahead of me. and FTR I never do late EMH, we never do hard ticket events and we always tend to be done with a park early dinner time. so it isn;t as if I am needing a bus during what is considered to be a normally high volume time.

I am one of the Flamingo dancers!!

I am ok in a queue for a ride or attraction etc because I can lean on the rail but on the bus, that may not be possible. I will very kindly allow those who are willing to stand on the bus pass me, so I can sit on the next bus.

And I will state again regarding being able to walk all day, but needing a seat on a bus after. What you don't see, is me sitting on benches throughout the day, or my folded cane in my bag.

 

[Bonniec]

See I think the reason that these threads get so heated is because those that don't want to give up their seat to anyone else for most any reason really can't stand the fact that a very large number of people consider that attitude rude.

I totally think it's rude. I won't sit there and glare at people because as previously stated, you don't know what issues that person may have. I wouldn't want someone to move who wasn't well. I also don't need anyone to move just because I have a kid. But some people clearly need a seat more than others.

If you are an able person with no problems, and you will keep your butt in your seat just because you are tired too and you got there first (as many have stated they would throughout this thread). If you don't care that there is a 60+ year old woman, or a very pregnant womant, or a parent carrying a snoozing baby/toddler....yeah, I think it's rude. But it's your judgement call to be a jerk. I (and my family) will be the ones giving up our seat for those people everytime.

 

[dzorn]

I see, you are new here. What you will notice is that on the DIS the abnormal is the normal and the exception becomes the rule.

In almost every situation it will be assumed a kid that can't behave is "on the spectrum" and not just acting like a brat despite the fact that the vast majority of kids are completely normal but misbehave from time to time. It will be assumed that every normal looking person has a hidden disability even though the vast majority of people just don't.

It is just how it goes.

Frank that may be true but I would rather give the kid the benefit of possibly being on the spectrum then assuming he is a brat. He/she may very well just be a brat, but the rude remarks made to someone who is on the spectrum can impact their treatment goals. If DD is trying her best to act appropriately in a situation treating her like a brat is not going to help.

I know I've told this story on here before. My neice was yelled at by a woman in WDW for playing in a wheel chair. Basically told it should be used for someone who needed it. My neice has juvenile rheumatoid arthritis. Her mother convinced her to use a wheel chair because the pain was too much and this is what happened. She refused to go back to the parks after that. It has been several years and she still has not been back.

I could give you examples of my own DD but quite frankly some still bring tears to my eyes thinking about.

So yep I will continue to take responsibility for my family and will not judge others that I know nothing about.

Denise in MI

 

[Bonniec]

Dzorn, thanks for pointing that out. That's very sad!

 

[KellyNY]

If you are an able person with no problems, and you will keep your butt in your seat just because you are tired too and you got there first (as many have stated they would throughout this thread). If you don't care that there is a 60+ year old woman, or a very pregnant womant, or a parent carrying a snoozing baby/toddler....yeah, I think it's rude. But it's your judgement call to be a jerk. I (and my family) will be the ones giving up our seat for those people everytime.

Yes, just because they are just as tired as someone else and maybe even waited for another bus just because they are tired and maybe they just do not want to be shaken on a moving bus, so why exactly they are jerks for not giving their sit to someone who refused to wait? Sorry but giving up something is totally personal choice, not good, nor bad and majority of people actually taking care of their situation without relying on others.
And calling people jerks just because they do not act the way you want them is very rude, judgmental and exactly what boils such threads.

 

[Praying Colonel]

First:

Second: Whenever people say they always take the bus at WDW because they're on vacation and riding the bus is so much more relaxing, I think about these give-up-your-seat-drama threads. Every time I read one, it reminds me why I love just heading to my vehicle at the end of a long park day.

 

[sharadoc]

Don't take the bait . . . don't take the bait . . . don't take the bait . . .

Crap. I'm too weak.

Nothing is stopping the able-bodies parent of said children from letting a bus that has already run out of seats pass, so they can be first on the next bus to come and have their choice of seats.

Nothing is stopping the able-bodied parents of said children from planning for a full bus scenario and making sure to leave the parks early enough that their children won't be exhausted and in such dire need of someone else's seat.

Nothing is stopping able-bodied parents from planning for their own children's needs, rather than just assuming that strangers should be more heavily charged with meeting those children's needs than their own parents are.

I like your reasoning. It's really true. I have terrible knees and shouldn't stand on a bus, so I make a decision, stand or wait. Standing on a bus or standing and waiting for another is the same to me, so I stand on the bus.

I have been criticized for thinking the same as you and I'm glad you said it the way you did. Sounds logical, well-thought-out and not a personal attack against anyone.