Seating Vertical Clearance of the Matterhorn Bobsleds

Then why don't they post a maximum height limit?

Um, because it’s not really an issue… if this was something that happened often, or even more than once, they would either post something, or redo the ride so it wouldn’t happen again. 99% of the time, when people get hurt at DL, it’s because THEY did something stupid, or disregarded the clearly posted rules…
 
Um, because it’s not really an issue… if this was something that happened often, or even more than once, they would either post something, or redo the ride so it wouldn’t happen again. 99% of the time, when people get hurt at DL, it’s because THEY did something stupid, or disregarded the clearly posted rules…
But I really have an abnormally long body so small probabilities do matter to me. If if 1 in 100 million people hit their head on the Matterhorn Bobsleds while seated properly, it'll worry me.
 
I'm not going to tell you my exact dimensions, but a person who is just 6 ft 0 inches tall could have highly atypical growth but still be perfectly healthy (unlikely, but still possible because no laws of physical science or the chemical and genetic part of biological science prohibits that). For example, he could have short stubby legs that still enable him to walk without getting tired, meaning that only 20% of his height is in his legs and 80% is from the hip upwards. That means he'll have a height of 4 feet 9.6 inches above the H-point when seated in a proper position. It's not guranteed that the ride operator would not allow him to ride in this case because ride operators are not engineers or technicians and may not know all the technical specs of the ride. Will a person with a height at the top of the head of 4 feet 11.5 inches above the bottom of the seat hit his head on any overhead structure on the Matterhorn Bobsleds? Or hit his head on any overhead structure (excludes the roof of the vehicle itself if equipped) on any other ride at any Disney property for that matter?
 
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This was exactly my point on a tall person being able to safely ride the ride. He's not tall while seated because most of his height while standing in in his legs. For me, quite the opposite, I'm average height while standing but am extremely tall when seated.
The best we can give you is this:

Your concerns are kind of understandable, but the Matterhorn's clearances are nowhere near as low you're imagining them to be. (Off-hand, I would bet that both Space Mountain and Incredicoaster have lower clearances.)

Watch this and you'll see what I mean. This camera is (ridiculously) above someone's head - and it's still not close to getting clipped by anything. (I'm dying to know what they mounted it on.)

There's no way you're as tall as this camera is:


The main concern of tall riders is the comfort of the seat - they usually suggest that tall people get into a front seat.

If you're still nervous - the best you can do is just go to the ride, tell the ride operators your concerns, and see what they say. I'm 99% sure they'll sit you in the seat, see if you're comfortable, and tell you that you'll be fine.

But we're not going to be able to give you a definitive answer. As best as we know, you shouldn't have any issues.
 
There is a roller coaster element known as a "headchopper" where it is designed to appear that the clearance is extremely low. The fact is that the clearance is always high enough that it will not hit even the tallest rider even if they had their arms up, as is common when riding roller coasters. Making it look as if you might though adds to the thrill. I do not believe there is any cause for concern that someone would hit their head in this manner on any roller coaster.
But the problem is, the Matterhorn, and many other rides in older theme parks, were built before modern engineering practices and societal standards.
 
This was exactly my point on a tall person being able to safely ride the ride. He's not tall while seated because most of his height while standing in in his legs. For me, quite the opposite, I'm average height while standing but am extremely tall when seated.
If it’s really THAT much of a concern to you, then don’t ride. Problem solved. People are responsible for the choices they make, beyond what is already determined to be the rules/guidelines…
"00crashtest" Welcome to the DisBoard.

Enjoy your trip to DLR. I agree with TinkerTay.....
 
The best we can give you is this:

Your concerns are kind of understandable, but the Matterhorn's clearances are nowhere near as low you're imagining them to be. (Off-hand, I would bet that both Space Mountain and Incredicoaster have lower clearances.)

Watch this and you'll see what I mean. This camera is (ridiculously) above someone's head - and it's still not close to getting clipped by anything. (I'm dying to know what they mounted it on.)

There's no way you're as tall as this camera is:


The main concern of tall riders is the comfort of the seat - they usually suggest that tall people get into a front seat.

If you're still nervous - the best you can do is just go to the ride, tell the ride operators your concerns, and see what they say. I'm 99% sure they'll sit you in the seat, see if you're comfortable, and tell you that you'll be fine.

But we're not going to be able to give you a definitive answer. As best as we know, you shouldn't have any issues.
Thank you so much for this post. I never knew such a video existed. Now I don't worry anymore on hitting my head on the stationary structures. However, it looks like it confirmed my thought that it's not safe to raise my hands on that ride because they would probably hit (contact up to 5 inches of the hands) the lowest protrusions on the ceiling.
 
Thank you so much for this post. I never knew such a video existed. Now I don't worry anymore on hitting my head on the stationary structures. However, it looks like it confirmed my thought that it's not safe to raise my hands on that ride because they would probably hit (contact up to 5 inches of the hands) the lowest protrusions on the ceiling.
Honestly, I doubt you'll miss it - it's really not a hands-up kind of ride. Hands-up is usually awesome when there's big air and big hills (like some of Magic Mountain's rides) - less so when you're getting bounced around as hard as this. But, honestly - I think you might enjoy this. Have fun!
 
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(Off-hand, I would bet that both Space Mountain and Incredicoaster have lower clearances.)
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Incredicoaster has way bigger clearances than Matterhorn Bobsleds. It looks like a full-size 15-passenger van like a Ford Transit without the raised roof or formerly the Ford E-Series produced until 2014 could fit within the clearance envelope of the Incredicoaster, measured from the plane formed by the top of the tracks. I rode California Screamin' (before it was rethemed and renamed Incredicoaster) last time I was at Disney Resort California around Christmas 2011 and not Matterhorn Bobsleds or even Big Thunder Mountain Railroad because I was afraid of hitting my head. I had already grown a lot by then from Summer 2008 because I had already hit puberty.

 
But the problem is, the Matterhorn, and many other rides in older theme parks, were built before modern engineering practices and societal standards.
While it was originally built prior to 1978, it had a major refurb, including new ride vehicles and tubes, and if it did not meet the requirements before, it had to come to code with the changes made.

But if you are this OCD with it, don't ride, it will be much easier for you. I don't ride. I don't worry about my head, but do worry about my back....
 
While it was originally built prior to 1978, it had a major refurb, including new ride vehicles and tubes, and if it did not meet the requirements before, it had to come to code with the changes made.

But if you are this OCD with it, don't ride, it will be much easier for you. I don't ride. I don't worry about my head, but do worry about my back....
When did it have a refurb(s), and did the refurb involve any DESIGN changes related to structure or related to ride mechanics, or did it just involve cosmetic redecoration and identical replacements to the original? Because if it is just cosmetic and routine parts replacements (like fixing a car), it almost certainly is not required to meet the updated codes. I'm also concerned about the seismic performance of the structure of the Matterhorn Bobsleds, because it was built before the modern era of seismic codes (starting with the California Building Code 1992), and am afraid that the ride will collapse if an 8.0+ earthquake hits in the nearby Santa Ana Mountains if it hasn't had its last major refurbrishment involving design changes to structural or mechanical components with final approval issued on or after Jan 1, 1993 (effective date of California Building Code 1992). Yes, I am autistic and have OCD, PDD, and Asperger's. I live in California, and whenever I visit downtowns, which is of course filled with pre-1993 buildings, I am always worried that a major earthquake would suddenly hit and I would be crushed by the collapsing buildings. When I visited Tokyo, Japan in Summer 2015, I had absolutely no such worry because Japan is a conformist society in which even private property generally has to be updated to not fall behind a certain number of design cycles to meet the latest building codes (not just structural) for the purposes of public safety and wellbeing. On my visit to Rome, Italy in Summer 2016 and Taipei and Kaohsiung, Taiwan in Summer 2017, I was absolutely terrified about the possibility of an earthquake hitting anytime and just wanted to get out ASAP. The only time I felt safe there was in structures built by international firms since the mid 1990s there, because it was only then that building codes and compliance had improved to a good standard there.
 
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Disney Imagineers are among the more innovative group of folks in theme park design.

Nevertheless, there is something that is fairly well known in ride design called the “envelope of protection.” That is basically the furthest range a rider could possibly reach while on a ride.

Disney and other park operators test their rides to ensure that it is not possible to touch anything. they verify this in the real world by using a weird-looking but effective tool that simulates teaching/stretching both hands and feet.

Here is an example of the testing tool: https://www.slashfilm.com/538583/disney-envelope-of-protection/.

Safe travels!
 
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00crashtest, I'm so sorry that you go through life absolutely terrified of things you have no control over. A difficult way to live, for sure.

For the refurb they did not - to my knowledge - raise any overhangs but it is up to CA earthquake standards. I know that doesn't help your worries and fears. I think you should avoid the Matterhorn ride.

I wish you well.
 
00crashtest, I'm so sorry that you go through life absolutely terrified of things you have no control over. A difficult way to live, for sure.

For the refurb they did not - to my knowledge - raise any overhangs but it is up to CA earthquake standards. I know that doesn't help your worries and fears. I think you should avoid the Matterhorn ride.

I wish you well.
Okay, I'll just avoid the Matterhorn Bobsleds. The answer is as simple as that. Also, from the video brightlined showed me, it looks like the rate of change of acceleration (jerk) is too high on that ride. I'm pretty sure that no regulations in the contemporary era (since mid 1980s) would allow that due to health and safety reasons, including ASTM F2291. I've been on roller coasters with linear motor launches that go at 100 mph in Six Flags and have significantly higher peak g-forces (acceleration) and yet felt nowhere near as bumpy or prone to injury from high jerk as this ride. This ride now feels like an outdated somewhat-dangerous ride of yesteryear that needs to be completely re-engineered. The high jerk (due to inadequate or even lack of transition curves) makes Matterhorn Bobsleds prone to injury and feel out of control despite the low speeds of 27 mph while the high-speed roller coasters in the contemporary era feel planted and controlled (due to low jerk and transition curves) like a track car/sport airplane despite being more thrilling from the higher g-forces and way higher speeds.
 
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Disney Imagineers are among the more innovative group of folks in theme park design.

Nevertheless, there is something that is fairly well known in ride design called the “envelope of protection.” That is basically the furthest range a rider could possibly reach while on a ride.

Disney and other park operators test their rides to ensure that it is not possible to touch anything. they verify this in the real world by using a weird-looking but effective tool that simulates teaching/stretching both hands and feet.

Here is an example of the testing tool: https://www.slashfilm.com/538583/disney-envelope-of-protection/.

Safe travels!
This is a really cool "low tech" solution. Love it.
 
Disney Imagineers are among the more innovative group of folks in theme park design.

Nevertheless, there is something that is fairly well known in ride design called the “envelope of protection.” That is basically the furthest range a rider could possibly reach while on a ride.

Disney and other park operators test their rides to ensure that it is not possible to touch anything. they verify this in the real world by using a weird-looking but effective tool that simulates teaching/stretching both hands and feet.

Here is an example of the testing tool: https://www.slashfilm.com/538583/disney-envelope-of-protection/.

Safe travels!

Matterhorn was built before they started doing this. It is the only roller coaster I know of in all of the Disney parks where it is possible to touch the ceiling while on the ride. In fact, it is sort of a ritual for some to tap the top part of the entrance cave with their hand as the ride starts. And I have been on the ride when someone in my vehicle put their arms up and said "ouch" after hitting something.
 













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