SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[AngiTN]

On a somewhat related topic, I toured DVC this morning. One of the perks were multiple FP's for myself and my son, or so I thought. I looked at the multiple attractions posting on my MDE account and saw 3 FP's each for the 7 people on my account, three of which don't have tickets, but I have all of their MB's with me. I don't think that I risk a CM rate by using them, or even having my account locked. I'll find out tonight, since I have 4 days until they expire.

wow it seems like you might be the only person at the 'world who can see what happens if you try to scan a FP+ on a band that has no tickets on it! The real loophole might be just taking a DVC tour after loading your MDE account with like 30 people and then transferring FP+ over to your primary!

We had an instance last week were we got some GS FP. We had a lovely moment from a CM at ToT and DH stopped at GS at HS to report it. The CM offered to give us FP for any ride we wanted for the next day (except for Pandora rides). When I looked at MDE he'd put one on there for everyone on my MDE account, no matter if they were on the current reservation or had tickets or not. Now, this was before the change implemented today but most of them were useless. We didn't do SDFP and all those users didn't have MB or any way to use the FP anyway. I just found it interesting that he just applied FP to all members of our MDE account instead of just those on the current reservation.

So now that phantom accounts are no longer sucking up "thousands and thousands" of FP each day, shouldn't we see a dramatic increase in availability for 4th and even 5th FP?

LOL. sure. I'm sure thousands jumped through all the hoops involved. 10's is more likely.

 

[marciemi]

You don't mean you can book three more immediately after using the first three?

No, I'm talking for the next day. Post I was referring to was talking about waiting until after midnight to book for the next day with a one day ticket after using it for CPFP that day. Am I confused? (Likely).

 

[anomamatt]

I did not know you don't lose the money you paid. Moreover, I'm confused on your statement that there is "no way to reactivate the ticket." So, do you have to apply the money from the "expired" tickets before they expire? What is the difference between "reactivate" and no loose your money?

Does this apply to any "expired" tickets -- tickets that I never activated AND tickets that I activated but didn't use all of the days on that ticket (for instance, I had 4 days and only used 3 but expired 14 days from first use)? Can you point me to a thread that details this? Many thanks

All tickets bought after the second week of February now have expiration dates And expire within 18 months if not used.

If you paid $400, never used the ticket and it's expired, you can get that same amount applied to a new ticket. But has to be done at the gate.

 

[ScrapYap]

true true. This may sound like a stupid question right? We are a party of 3, all AP. We have no extra tickets. If I were to buy 3 "one day" tickets for each of us, link them to a separate MDE, merge the MDE, wouldnt the 3 "fake" people that I assigned the tickets to have to be on my resort reservation to make them at 60 days?? Or do/will most people who have unused tickets book at the 30 day?

Don't put the phantom guests on a separate MDE - there's no reason to. Add them to your MDE. You can prebook for them at 60 days even if they're not resort guests. Search (ctrl F) for the word "umbrella" on the first page of the thread for an explanation.

 

[otterpop]

I'm a "glutton for punishment"...here's my latest experiment:

Yesterday, I set-up 3 days of FP's on phantoms that I don't care about/need. I reassigned the tickets I had associated with them that were used to make the FP's, back to my main profiles. I then reassigned our upcoming MNSSHP tickets from our main profiles to the phantoms...so the phantoms have 3 days of FP's and an active party ticket (which is obviously good for only 1 day/party and for a different date). I'm curious if I will get the warning e-mail (and when and if I do, what will happen (FP's deleted? How long until deleted? Account...locked?)...

So far, approx. 24 hours later, everything is still okay...

Update #??? My FP's appear to be still good 6 days later.

In addition, I did add 2 more days of FP's to my original 3 days. In order to this, I had to reassign my AP's from my main profiles to the phantoms, book the 2 additional days of FP's and then reassign the AP's back to my main's. I did this about 48 hours ago. So now I have 5 days of FP's on my phantoms and they still only have a MNSSHP ticket linked to them.

My below thoughts are just guesses and come tomorrow, could all be a waste of space!

Any active ticket will allow you to make FP's in advance (and depending upon the ticket, will allow how many days of FP's you can reserve in advance, which we already know), and any active ticket (or maybe not?) will hold those FP's for you on the phantoms regardless of the number of days on the active ticket. So as a result, you could have a profile linked to a 1-day ticket, but 7 days of FP's associated with it (because you used a 7-day ticket to originally make the FP reservations). And like what ScrapYap mentioned in an earlier post...anything that potentially raises a flag about your account (like reassigning AP's multiple times in a short time span or possibly having FP's associated with ticketless profiles), will have Disney then check to make sure everything is in order.

I don't think the system currently automatically checks, you need to do something out of the norm that triggers it to check...and then if there is something not right with your account/profiles, Disney will send out the warning e-mail, potentially lock your account, send you to a locked room with Judge Frollo for 10 minutes, etc.

Also, thanks to all in advance who will be in the parks over the next few days trying out all of these different scenarios!

Evan

So far, today's MDE changes have not effected my FP's....so I am now at 8 (9?) days after initial setup.

As for CPFP working, I'm keeping my hopes up. But, I'm wondering that if Disney can now prevent SDFP, you would think they would have the ability to prevent CP of FP's from non-ticketed profiles or even NBFP, since they know that the FP you are trying to transfer is from a profile who's ticket was not used to enter the park??? Hoping I'm wrong!

 

[BRDisney]

This could be a little counterproductive since it would require losing a pre-booked FP+, but if you wanted to be in and out in a certain time and booked 2 FP+ on your primary ticket/AP, and left one blank slot, you could use an extra ticket and stagger your CPFP+ and have no gaps:

FP 1: 9 - 10
FP 2: 10 - 11

CPFP 1: 9 - 10
CPFP 2: 10 - 11
CPFP 3: 11 - 12

Use FP 1, CP with CPFP 1 and use it, use FP 2. You have now used your "3 for the day." Use CPFP 2 as your 4th, and use CPFP 3 as your 5th. This would allow you to clear 5 FP+ in a 3 hour window.

The times would be crucial and would have to fit in order to use the CPFP while you still had your 2nd FP+ pre-booked.

Don't you have to use all your FPs before become able to transfer CPFP?

 

[rlp]

Just wondering if there is anyone out there who used SDFP with ticketless bands (now a no no) who will purchase separate park tickets to be able to use the CPFP feature?

I think I will buy extra 1 or 2 day park tickets, that will not be used to gain entrance, to use in getting extra fast passes in addition to our annual passes that we will get for 2018. I think the cost of the 2 day tickets might be worth it to me if I can keeping using them to get somewhat pre-booked fast passes for each day of our visits. Of course I'd only do this if the Change Party function still works then. Disney is smart in closing this loophole - more money for them! Another change that I've read or heard about is that WDW might be selling extra fast passes or do something similar as Universal so that would also affect what I'll do for 2018

 

[1supermomsmd]

All tickets bought after the second week of February now have expiration dates And expire within 18 months if not used.

If you paid $400, never used the ticket and it's expired, you can get that same amount applied to a new ticket. But has to be done at the gate.

Got it. Thank you. So if any price increases since you originally bought it then you have to pay that increase -- not reactivated because it is a new ticket with potentially higher price tag.

Just to clarify on point, it has to be for a never used ticket or can it also be for a ticket that you partially used. Can you apply the amount of the unused portion to another ticket? Definitely more complicated for them to figure out the price of that 4th day or whatever in xxxx year that I bought and apply to new ticket price but since I didn't now about your first point "you don't loose the money" on used/expired ticket, I might as well ask this one too. Again most appreciative of your response!

 

[Lisa F]

We had an instance last week were we got some GS FP. We had a lovely moment from a CM at ToT and DH stopped at GS at HS to report it. The CM offered to give us FP for any ride we wanted for the next day (except for Pandora rides). When I looked at MDE he'd put one on there for everyone on my MDE account, no matter if they were on the current reservation or had tickets or not. Now, this was before the change implemented today but most of them were useless. We didn't do SDFP and all those users didn't have MB or any way to use the FP anyway. I just found it interesting that he just applied FP to all members of our MDE account instead of just those on the current reservation.


LOL. sure. I'm sure thousands jumped through all the hoops involved. 10's is more likely.

I think you COULD have changed party on them (but maybe you cannot change party on that kind of FP, I don't know). I never even knew "change party" existed until reading about it here but it turns out a dis friend of mine used it quite frequently on her last trip because she had a big party. Who knew?

I have always thought it was in the 10's, but what do i know? without official numbers we are all just guessing. maybe somewhere in between.

 

[Amanda999]

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But, I could see a possible scenario of using a 1-day park ticket (a $100 investment up front with the intentions of never actually using the ticket, but using it just to hold your phantom FP's). You use your normal tickets for a given trip to book FP's for both your main profiles and your phantoms at your 60-day or 30-day window, and the 1-day ticket "protects" your FP's on the phantoms. The overall potential is that instead making your FP's the night before (NBFP) and doing it every night, this way (if it works and is within or not against the Disney TOS) all of your FP's have been reserved 60- 30-days in advance and then you just do a CP the day of, like you would going the NBFP route....

But if you only have a 1 day ticket, how do you book more than 1 day's worth of FP+ at 30/60 for the phantom (holding that ticket)? Adding that phantom to my FP choices (I have an AP) one by one, after I book my own FP+ at 30/60???

 

[Lisa F]

true true. This may sound like a stupid question right? We are a party of 3, all AP. We have no extra tickets. If I were to buy 3 "one day" tickets for each of us, link them to a separate MDE, merge the MDE, wouldnt the 3 "fake" people that I assigned the tickets to have to be on my resort reservation to make them at 60 days?? Or do/will most people who have unused tickets book at the 30 day?

this is addressed on the first page (not being snarky, it is just explained better than I can explain it). the key word is "umbrella." But it would only let you prebook FP+ for one day because you have a one day ticket. I would guess that you could probably prebook for one day, use them up, prebook on the app the for the next day a day at a time for your trip though. Not 100% sure how it would work but I would guess if those FP+ were gone but there was still a day of entitlement on the ticket you could book 3 more FP+ on it.

 

[Dean1953]

You might as well just link the two MDEs. Then you'll be able to use CPFP.

So you have prebooked FP on the phantoms (which have ticket cards rather than bands?)?

Yes, I usually try to book at least 5 days out, since the 60-30 days out means nothing to me,as I've been here 15 days now. Since I will be here July 3 at MB and July 4 at Epcot, I have already booked 6 rides each day for the two of us.

 

[Luisfba]

On a somewhat related topic, I toured DVC this morning. One of the perks were multiple FP's for myself and my son, or so I thought. I looked at the multiple attractions posting on my MDE account and saw 3 FP's each for the 7 people on my account, three of which don't have tickets, but I have all of their MB's with me. I don't think that I risk a CM rate by using them, or even having my account locked. I'll find out tonight, since I have 4 days until they expire.

Hmm.. for reference, where the FP tied to a specific day or park or where they usable for the whole visit?

Also, how long does the tour take?

 

[networkpro]

Your mileage may vary, but the updated terms and conditions for the use of Fastpass+ have changed as of today https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-experience-terms-conditions/

Abuse can result of you being permanently excluded from using fastpass+.

 

[otterpop]

But if you only have a 1 day ticket, how do you book more than 1 day's worth of FP+ at 30/60 for the phantom (holding that ticket)? Adding that phantom to my FP choices (I have an AP) one by one, after I book my own FP+ at 30/60???

Just like what I did in my experiment...I used the unused AP's to make the FP's on my main profiles, then reassigned the AP's to the phantoms to make those FP's and then transferred the AP's back to my main profiles. I'm hoping the MNSSHP (1-day) tickets associated with the phantoms keep the phantoms "safe."

 

[anomamatt]

Just to clarify on point, it has to be for a never used ticket or can it also be for a ticket that you partially used. Can you apply the amount of the unused portion to another ticket? Definitely more complicated for them to figure out the price of that 4th day or whatever in xxxx year that I bought and apply to new ticket price but since I didn't now about your first point "you don't loose the money" on used/expired ticket, I might as well ask this one too. Again most appreciative of your response!

Correct. And you can upgrade tickets that have been used, provided you are within 14 days of their activation. And there are also the older never expiring tickets... the gurus on the ticket thread can help with all the maths and the specifics of what can be done with those older never expire partially used tickets. Today's tickets vanish 14 days after activation and all value disappears at that point

 

[Marionnette]

Just to clarify on point, it has to be for a never used ticket or can it also be for a ticket that you partially used. Can you apply the amount of the unused portion to another ticket? Definitely more complicated for them to figure out the price of that 4th day or whatever in xxxx year that I bought and apply to new ticket price but since I didn't now about your first point "you don't loose the money" on used/expired ticket, I might as well ask this one too. Again most appreciative of your response!

An unused ticket purchased after Feb. of this year will expire Dec. 31 of the year following the year in which it was purchased. IOW, a ticket purchased today would expire on 12/31/2018. The amount that you paid for that ticket could be applied to the purchase of another ticket of equal or higher value. Until you pay for the new ticket, the ticket that you have in your possession would not be valid for admission and, presumably, would not be valid for making FP+ reservations.

Unless you have a very old no-expiry ticket, your ticket will expire 14 days after the first day of use and you will have lost any remaining days and their value on day #15.

 

[marciemi]

One other thing I'm not seeing mentioned when people discuss one day tickets is that they are park-specific. An MK ticket can't be used to book FP for the other 3 parks and vice versa. So if you plan to use that ticket at multiple parks including MK, you'd really need a 2 day ticket minimum.

 

[otterpop]

Your mileage may vary, but the updated terms and conditions for the use of Fastpass+ have changed as of today https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-experience-terms-conditions/

Abuse can result of you being permanently excluded from using fastpass+.

For some reason your link takes me to the "old" TOS, dated 9/7/16...and my understanding is that NBFP/CPFP do not violate...

 

[anomamatt]

Your mileage may vary, but the updated terms and conditions for the use of Fastpass+ have changed as of today https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-experience-terms-conditions/

Abuse can result of you being permanently excluded from using fastpass+.

I don't see anything new. Those appear to be the same as updated in September. What do you see that is new? Thanks.