SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[Lisa F]

Am I the only one who is relieved to see that the SDFP loophole was closed at the kiosks instead of forcing CMs to play "gotcha!" at the FP+ touch points? It didn't make sense to me to permit unticketed MBs and cards to be used at the kiosks only to deny them at the attraction. Allowing unticketed media to obtain FP+ at the kiosk would have prevented someone with valid admission from getting those same FP+ slots. It, in effect, would have left a lot of FP+ that were "wasted". By denying the unticketed MBs and cards at the kiosk, those FP+ are left available to others. Not to mention that the CMs manning the FP+ touch points are relieved from the aggravation of dealing with guests who are upset when they arrive with what they thought was a valid FP+.

I'm not judging. I just didn't see the logic behind permitting SDFP to be acquired at the kiosk and then denied at the attraction. Glad to see that since Disney is working to shut this down, they're doing it at the point of initiation instead of further downstream.

You're not. I used and enjoyed SDFP but if they are going to shut it down, IMO this is the way to do it. The other way was stupid, punitive and asking for major guest dissatisfaction. It's just not very disney. I respect their right to close the loophole but honestly was pretty icky about the method. While this is probably more disappointing to people hoping to still access it in this way, it is clean and decisive and it doesn't feel nasty and slimy. So yes I agree

 

[rasadkowski]

Facial biometric recognition linked to PhotoPass photos that knows if it is you or not based on your past rides! I joke, but that would be crazy!

yet there must be a loophole!

 

[BuckeyeBama]

You're not. I used and enjoyed SDFP but if they are going to shut it down, IMO this is the way to do it. The other way was stupid, punitive and asking for major guest dissatisfaction.

I can still see them locking MDE accounts where a person attempts to use a pre-booked FP from a band/ticket not used to enter the parks. No report on that yet.

 

[GrnMtnMan]

Do you anticipate the change of party method to be thwarted by Disney inserting a check to make sure the donating ticketed account has been used for admission?

This was discussed maybe 20 or so pages ago. There are many 'legit' reasons for change party to exist. Throw in that Disney doesn't know when a person is going to enter a park and utilize those booked FPs. So killing off change party wouldn't open up any new FP slots...just have them go unused.

 

[Lisa F]

I can still see them locking MDE accounts where a person attempts to use a pre-booked FP from a band/ticket not used to enter the parks. No report on that yet.

I think on that they have no choice but to do it that way since they can't prevent people with tickets from booking advance FP+. I think also this is probably the method that the unofficial tour guides use when they are selling primo fp+. I can't believe that person would want hundreds of people linked to their MDE as friends, it seems impossible to manage... so they are probably not doing CPFP. They probably just give out preloaded bands. So if this shuts down I think it would address Disney's concern... and they would probably leave CPFP alone because at that point it really is just a handful of people using it, none of them profiting.

 

[lark]

To stay within the TOS, we'll only be moving forward with the Change Party function

I think that this violates the ToS.

Oh, goodness, that's the second time in a week I've done that albeit inadvertently. Ok, I'll take a break from posting for a little while and just follow the thread by reading it.

 

[Lisa F]

This was discussed maybe 20 or so pages ago. There are many 'legit' reasons for change party to exist. Throw in that Disney doesn't know when a person is going to enter a park and utilize those booked FPs. So killing off change party wouldn't open up any new FP slots...just have them go unused.

I saw that, but it has been suggested that Disney could institute a check that only allows change party day of if the donor party has also used the ticket for admission. Seems like minutia at that point though and maybe not worth the level of complexity for what is now a much much smaller problem.

 

[ScrapYap]

Facial biometric recognition linked to PhotoPass photos that knows if it is you or not based on your past rides! I joke, but that would be crazy!

That is so creepy - and so possible! They're already tracking our every move with the bands. They know what stores you go in and how long you stay and what you buy and eat. They even use them to track bathroom usage -- just to make sure the paper towels and toilet paper supplies aren't running low - but it's still creepy. I think guests would be surprised if they knew how many RFID readers are in the parks - just like the ones you pass when your ride photo gets linked to your account - you don't even know they're there. Facial recognition would be the next logical step. They're already using it to spot known pickpockets at park entrances (which is great). But what applications might the tech be put to for normal guests?

 

[Marionnette]

I can still see them locking MDE accounts where a person attempts to use a pre-booked FP from a band/ticket not used to enter the parks. No report on that yet.

I confess to using that method when my husband was in a conference meeting at the GF and I went to MK alone. If that is also shut down, then I won't complain or whine. I'll miss it but c'est la vie!

 

[ScrapYap]

I confess to using that method when my husband was in a conference meeting at the GF and I went to MK alone. If that is also shut down, then I won't complain or whine. I'll miss it but c'est la vie!

Now you can just use CPFP to move them over to your own account and use them legally!

 

[hiroMYhero]

Because of some thread "housekeeping," plopping this in again for late arrivals:

Questioning and arguing this thread's existence is directly questioning DIS Webmasters' and Administrators' decisions. This will result in Warnings and post removal.

Thank you!

 

[FelisLachesis]

There was some talk of non-ticketed bands still accepting SDFP and then going blue at the ride. I think the reason Disney doesn't want to do that is simply to leave the FPs in the system to improve the chance that someone will pick them up and use them the way Disney intended.

If the "rogue bands" still were able to grab SDFPs, but not be allowed to use them, they would still be taken out of the system as reserved, and not be used, thereby wasting them.

 

[ScrapYap]

There was some talk of non-ticketed bands still accepting SDFP and then going blue at the ride. I think the reason Disney doesn't want to do that is simply to leave the FPs in the system to improve the chance that someone will pick them up and use them the way Disney intended.

If the "rogue bands" still were able to grab SDFPs, but not be allowed to use them, they would still be taken out of the system as reserved, and not be used, thereby wasting them.

Yes, it made no sense. But that was the report from the inside last week. Glad that part was wrong. But glad we had some warning so guests could be prepared and we could figure out what's next!

 

[Friendlyadvice2]

I can still see them locking MDE accounts where a person attempts to use a pre-booked FP from a band/ticket not used to enter the parks. No report on that yet.

Definitely possible and hopefully some data points will flow in soon to give us some answers. Honestly though IMO, I really don't think Disney wants to lock MDE accounts at all or deal with unlocking the accounts after the fact. I suspect a blue mickey is all that will be given for this scenario with a possible lock after several documented attempts.

 

[Wood Nymph]

Am I the only one who is relieved to see that the SDFP loophole was closed at the kiosks instead of forcing CMs to play "gotcha!" at the FP+ touch points? It didn't make sense to me to permit unticketed MBs and cards to be used at the kiosks only to deny them at the attraction. Allowing unticketed media to obtain FP+ at the kiosk would have prevented someone with valid admission from getting those same FP+ slots. It, in effect, would have left a lot of FP+ that were "wasted". By denying the unticketed MBs and cards at the kiosk, those FP+ are left available to others. Not to mention that the CMs manning the FP+ touch points are relieved from the aggravation of dealing with guests who are upset when they arrive with what they thought was a valid FP+.

I'm not judging. I just didn't see the logic behind permitting SDFP to be acquired at the kiosk and then denied at the attraction. Glad to see that since Disney is working to shut this down, they're doing it at the point of initiation instead of further downstream.

I was highly doubtful that Disney had ever planned to allow people to book SDFP only to punish them by locking the account when they tried to use the fp that they had obtained. I know that was the popular rumor but I really never believed it. Allowing people to get the SDFP is something liked implied consent - if they let you get it that means you can have it - or something like that. The anger would have been justified, imo. But it seems as if Disney did things correctly when it comes to stopping it for people who don't have tickets.

I am going out on a limb and guessing that they also shut down the method that is against the TOS.

 

[DaisyJ]

For those keeping track, the app is back up and running with no issues, at least by me.

 

[BRDisney]

Yes, it made no sense. But that was the report from the inside last week. Glad that part was wrong. But glad we had some warning so guests could be prepared and we could figure out what's next!

But we still don't know if a MB with a ticket attached and NOT used to enter the park can make a Kiosk FP (or a NBFP) and use that FP at a attraction without tranfering it.

 

[Gillbob316]

So (forgive me, these reports are getting hard to sift through)...

Unticketed phantom bands are a dead issue. That much is clear.

Can a ticketed band which WASN'T used for admission at the front entrance that day still make SDFP reservations at a kiosk? Or don't we know yet?

IE. Say I go to the park myself solo using my admission. I have 3 fastpasses pre-booked on my MDE account. My dad's ticketed band is in my pocket. Can I enter the park and use my dad's ticketed band at a kiosk to make 3 more reservations? Has this been tested yet?

I realize I could theoretically pre-book 3 more passes on my dad's ticketed band using MDE in advance, and then use CPFP to move them onto my account the day of, but for the sake of argument, ignore that fact for the moment.

 

[BRDisney]

So (forgive me, these reports are getting hard to sift through)...

Unticketed phantom bands are a dead issue. That much is clear.

Can a ticketed band which WASN'T used for admission at the front entrance that day still make SDFP reservations at a kiosk? Or don't we know yet?

IE. Say I go to the park myself solo using my admission. I have 3 fastpasses pre-booked on my MDE account. My dad's ticketed band is in my pocket. Can I enter the park and use my dad's ticketed band at a kiosk to make 3 more reservations? Has this been tested yet?

I realize I could theoretically pre-book 3 more passes on my dad's ticketed band using MDE in advance, and then use CPFP to move them onto my account the day of, but for the sake of argument, ignore that fact for the moment.

I would like to know that too.

 

[Friendlyadvice2]

But we still don't know if a MB with a ticket attached and NOT used to enter the park can make a Kiosk FP (or a NBFP) and use that FP at a attraction without tranfering it.

That is still one of the items we don't know.