Schwartzenegger denies clemency for Tookie Williams

Should Tookie Williams be spared?

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Schwarzenegger Denies Clemency for Williams
Gov. Schwarzenegger Denies Clemency to Former Gang Leader and Murderer Stanley Tookie Williams
By DAVID KRAVETS Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press

SAN FRANCISCO Dec 12, 2005 — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday refused to spare the life of Stanley Tookie Williams, the founder of the murderous Crips gang who awaited execution after midnight in a case that stirred debate over capital punishment and the possibility of redemption on death row.

Schwarzenegger was unswayed by pleas from Hollywood stars and petitions from more than 50,000 people who said that Williams had made amends during more than two decades in prison by writing a memoir and children's books about the dangers of gangs.

"After studying the evidence, searching the history, listening to the arguments and wrestling with the profound consequences, I could find no justification for granting clemency," Schwarzenegger said, less than 12 hours before the execution. "The facts do not justify overturning the jury's verdict or the decisions of the courts in this case."

Schwarzenegger could have commuted the death sentence to life in prison without parole.

With a reprieve from the federal courts considered unlikely, Williams, 51, was set to die by injection at San Quentin State Prison early Tuesday for murdering four people in two 1979 holdups.

Williams' fate became one of the nation's biggest death-row cause celebres in decades.

Prosecutors and victims' advocates contended Williams was undeserving of clemency from the governor because he did not own up to his crimes and refused to inform on fellow gang members. They also argued that the Crips gang that Williams co-founded in Los Angeles in 1971 is responsible for hundreds of deaths, many of them in battles with the rival Bloods for turf and control of the drug trade.

Williams stood to become the 12th California condemned inmate executed since lawmakers reinstated the death penalty in 1977 after a brief hiatus.

Williams was condemned in 1981 for gunning down a clerk in a convenience store holdup and a mother, father and daughter in a motel robbery weeks later. Williams claimed he was innocent.

The last time a California governor granted clemency was in 1967, when Ronald Reagan spared a mentally infirm killer. Schwarzenegger a Republican who has come under fire from members of his own party as too accommodating to liberals rejected clemency twice before during his two years in office.
 
Goodbye, Tookie. It's sad that he's never shown any remorse for his crimes. Maybe he will in the final moments of his life.
 
He murdered innocent people. I say he deserves what he gets. I'm sure the family of the victims feel that way also.
 
Any execution is sad. It is so regretful that this man chose to live his life as a gang member. I do truly hope that he helped some children with his books.

Katholyn
 

Did those he murdered get any amount of time to plea their case? I guess you can figure out how I voted! Many have been remorseful and are still executed. That alone, IMO, should not even enter the equation, though this guy doesn't seem to be anyway.
 
nativetxn said:
Any execution is sad. It is so regretful that this man chose to live his life as a gang member. I do truly hope that he helped some children with his books.

Katholyn


Agreed.
 
I think his sentece was justified. I don't think it's right for one person, be it a Governor or anyone else for that matter, be able to turn over a sentence that took many people, lawyers, judges and jury, to decide. Good bye!
 
thelionqueen said:
I think his sentece was justified. I don't think it's right for one person, be it a Governor or anyone else for that matter, be able to turn over a sentence that took many people, lawyers, judges and jury, to decide. Good bye!

Unless it's justified, as in Illinois when DNA testing was found in a couple of cases to prove two men to be innocent. He stopped all executions until that little problem is fixed. ;)
 
nativetxn said:
Any execution is sad. It is so regretful that this man chose to live his life as a gang member. I do truly hope that he helped some children with his books.
Actually, it's more like he invented the modern-day gang. Before Tookie started the Crips, gangs were more like clubs. They were rough, but probably closer to West Side Story than anything you see now. But the Crips changed all that. And the other gangs either got as bad as the Crips, or they died out.

The new style gangs have done so much damage to the cities, and to the structure of the family in the cities, that things may never be the same. This is Tookie's legacy, and that's not even mentioning the innocent people he murdered. Writing a kids' book isn't near enough to make up for it.
 
Jimbo said:
Actually, it's more like he invented the modern-day gang. Before Tookie started the Crips, gangs were more like clubs. They were rough, but probably closer to West Side Story than anything you see now. But the Crips changed all that. And the other gangs either got as bad as the Crips, or they died out.

The new style gangs have done so much damage to the cities, and to the structure of the family in the cities, that things may never be the same. This is Tookie's legacy, and that's not even mentioning the innocent people he murdered. Writing a kids' book isn't near enough to make up for it.

West Side Story? That's got to be the worst comparison I've heard in a long time. The rise of urban crime is a complex issue and can't be attributed to the crimes of a single individual.
 
I didn't vote because you didn't have an option for "he was tried, convicted and sentenced, his repenting or not repenting should not be a part of the equation' as that would be my opinion.

I think the only time the mindset of the criminal should be taken into consideration is at the time of sentencing. After that, it is totally irrelevant JMHO

That said, I am never 'happy' to know that someone will die. I think justice is sometimes a very sad thing, but necessary.
 
If I were on death row....I would do anything to pass the time and let the years slide by....write a kids book, read and repent, try to hold seminars to teach people not to do what I did....etc. It doesn't mean crap to the people that were murdered!!! I think you can see which way I voted, huh??????

Sorry....but being forced to do something and find a hobby while incarcerated does not make up for what was done to those people! Of course, he has had time to think about what he has done.....he can't do anything else BUT think about it. He still deserves the punishment for the crimes that he did commit.

No execution happens with happy thoughts ......but he was senteneced and convicted for four murders of innocent people. I agree with poohandwendy....justice can be a sad, but necessary thing.
 
I would choose yes, but simply because I believe that no one should be given the death penalty. I'm not convinced he is rehabilitated, however, I don't think anyone should be executed for moral and other reasons.
 
thelionqueen said:
I think his sentece was justified. I don't think it's right for one person, be it a Governor or anyone else for that matter, be able to turn over a sentence that took many people, lawyers, judges and jury, to decide. Good bye!

People, lawyers, judges and jury make mistakes all the time. If there are no checks and balances it will only be a matter of time before and innocent person is put to death, if it hasn't already happened. One innocent man in Illinois came within days of his executive. It took a class of COLLEGE STUDENTS to determine he was innocent.
 
I am pro-life, therefore I would vote yes. I did not vote because I did not fit in with the qualifier.
 
frozone said:
West Side Story? That's got to be the worst comparison I've heard in a long time.
Actually, I read that comparison on someone's website and it stuck with me. And it was someone that was there 30 years ago when the Crips got started. I'll see if I can find it.

I think that this is where I got the analogy. Note: Parental Advisory.
 
I didn't vote. I don't think he should be executed, but I don't think he is reformed, nor do I think he's sorry for his sins.

I have a unique theory about this issue--it goes something like this.

I have experienced many people who use our justice system as a crutch to blame others for the things they've done wrong. Punishment that fits the crime for murder is obviously execution. However, I believe that violence begets violence, no matter what the circumstances.

When Tookie is executed, there will be increased violence amongst gang members and other people who are already frustrated with a system that they feel has done them wrong. I also suspect that there will be widespread escalation of gang activity--something that is counter to the reason for execution to begin with. More people will probably also die.

As a society, we use execution to deter violence, but it doesn't accomplish that goal. No one who kills another person is thinking he or she may lose his life for it when committing the crime...especially when drugs are involved.

I think Tookie needs to be given the grace of another 10 years to undo the devestation he has caused to inner-city teens and young adults everywhere. All those who want him alive can work with him to alleviate the violence. At the end of the 10 years, let society decide. If he's fixed it, let him live. If he hasn't, let his followers inject the solution.
 
Jimbo said:
Actually, I read that comparison on someone's website and it stuck with me. And it was someone that was there 30 years ago when the Crips got started. I'll see if I can find it.

I think that this is where I got the analogy. Note: Parental Advisory.


Jimbo--

Thank you very much for that link. VERY interesting.

Tookie looks evil in that picutre. And that is just what he is.....evil.
 
I am glad there are a lot of people in this world that are happy to put their name to someone else's death. Eye for an eye... I thought God alone had the right to take life. I didn't think 2 wrongs actually made a right. The poor victims don't suddenly come back to life when the murderer is executed. The grief doesn't suddenly stop.
 
Rafiki Rafiki Rafiki said:
I didn't vote. I don't think he should be executed, but I don't think he is reformed, nor do I think he's sorry for his sins.

I have a unique theory about this issue--it goes something like this.

I have experienced many people who use our justice system as a crutch to blame others for the things they've done wrong. Punishment that fits the crime for murder is obviously execution. However, I believe that violence begets violence, no matter what the circumstances.

When Tookie is executed, there will be increased violence amongst gang members and other people who are already frustrated with a system that they feel has done them wrong. I also suspect that there will be widespread escalation of gang activity--something that is counter to the reason for execution to begin with. More people will probably also die.

As a society, we use execution to deter violence, but it doesn't accomplish that goal. No one who kills another person is thinking he or she may lose his life for it when committing the crime...especially when drugs are involved.

I think Tookie needs to be given the grace of another 10 years to undo the devestation he has caused to inner-city teens and young adults everywhere. All those who want him alive can work with him to alleviate the violence. At the end of the 10 years, let society decide. If he's fixed it, let him live. If he hasn't, let his followers inject the solution.


We don't use execution to deter violence or as a way to seek revenge. We use execution as punishment for the crimes committed.

While it's just MOO, I feel to not execute puts less value on human life than the taking of the perp's life.
 


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