School year is 'officially' open, again

[ClaraOswald]

When is this madness going to end?

Never.

Or how about the fifth recent mass shooting by a transgender

How many non-trans mass shooters have there been in the last decade or two?

 

[BrianL]

Why doesn’t YouTube report threats to police? This killer had horrific posts online saying what he/she wanted to do to children - language too graphic to post here, yet instead first thing out of everyone’s mouth is gun control. There was no prior criminal record and guns were bought legally, so how about talk of mental illness instead of the usual trite responses. We can’t ignore the fact that changing a name or how someone dresses doesn’t automatically fix depression in an extremely disturbed individual.

I am sure they would if they catch it, but over 2 million videos are uploaded to YouTube every single day. Nobody is watching them all. I'm sure they have some tools to help block content like that, but it won't catch everything. I agree that they need to make some improvements in that area though.

 

[HokieRaven5]

Why doesn’t YouTube report threats to police? This killer had horrific posts online saying what he/she wanted to do to children - language too graphic to post here, yet instead first thing out of everyone’s mouth is gun control. There was no prior criminal record and guns were bought legally, so how about talk of mental illness instead of the usual trite responses. We can’t ignore the fact that changing a name or how someone dresses doesn’t automatically fix depression in an extremely disturbed individual.

It sounds great except more often access and availability of mental health care is reduced.

Even still, unless someone is involuntarily committed, no matter how mentally ill they may be, they would be able to do what happened yesterday and any other day it has happened.

So we’re just back to this is our norm and we’ve made it that way.

 

[TippyThomas]

The people that seem to struggle with the ability to discuss this within the rules should just move on, no?

It's really not that difficult to ignore if you really try.

I guess we can take that as a no, no they can't.

 

[jennab]

This doesn’t seem like a random shooting. The shooter’s mom previously worked at the school and the shooter previously attended the school. It was also said that she (or he?) was a member of the church. I am curious about a motive, although it seems the shooter was mentally unstable based on a letter written. Seems like hate towards everyone (race, sexual orientation, etc).

My son’s school, also in the metro area of MN, went on lockdown yesterday. My son’s school came home telling us that he had heard another catholic school nearby had a shooting. Sad sad day.

 

[jennab]

I'm going to suggest that's not true. MN and CA both have the strictest gun control in the nation. Both have had incidents. There is no correlation. Mental illness however - 100% of the shooters have suffered from mental illness. Every one of them. But sure, let's make this political and blame red states. That's what Gov. Newsom did today. Doing something to do something is not the same thing as making a difference.

The guns were purchase legally. The shooter yesterday did not have a prior record that would preclude them from purchasing a gun. It doesn’t sound like there was a history of mental health issues either (yet). Obviously we would assume mental health issues though as what sane person shoots children?

 

[mom2rtk]

I am sure they would if they catch it, but over 2 million videos are uploaded to YouTube every single day. Nobody is watching them all. I'm sure they have some tools to help block content like that, but it won't catch everything. I agree that they need to make some improvements in that area though.

That's what AI is for. They can recognize 3 seconds of a copyrighted song in minutes. I think they can do better here.

 

[jennab]

Why doesn’t YouTube report threats to police? This killer had horrific posts online saying what he/she wanted to do to children - language too graphic to post here, yet instead first thing out of everyone’s mouth is gun control. There was no prior criminal record and guns were bought legally, so how about talk of mental illness instead of the usual trite responses. We can’t ignore the fact that changing a name or how someone dresses doesn’t automatically fix depression in an extremely disturbed individual.

I thought the YT videos were posted after the shooting happened

 

[TippyThomas]

I'm confused as to what YT being better at removing videos has to do with what eventually happened? Are people saying that it wouldn't have happened if YT had been more proactive with deleting a video that was made available later?

 

[TippyThomas]

I thought the YT videos were posted after the shooting happened

That's what I have read myself.

 

[jennab]

I'm confused as to what YT being better at removing videos has to do with what eventually happened? Are people saying that it wouldn't have happened it YT had been more proactive with deleting a video that was made available later?

I believe the thought is that YT could remove and report the videos to the authorities. If there were videos of this all before the shooting happened, then the police could have possibly done something. I was under the impression the videos were posted after the shooting though.

 

[TippyThomas]

I believe the thought is that YT could remove and report the videos to the authorities. If there were videos of this all before the shooting happened, then the police could have possibly done something. I was under the impression the videos were posted after the shooting though.

I get that they could do that if something was posted before, but like you I was under the impression the video was made available only after the incident happened. Wouldn't have really changed anything in this case.

 

[HokieRaven5]

I believe the thought is that YT could remove and report the videos to the authorities. If there were videos of this all before the shooting happened, then the police could have possibly done something. I was under the impression the videos were posted after the shooting though.

I get that they could do that if something was posted before, but like you I was under the impression the video was made available only after the incident happened. Wouldn't have really changed anything in this case.

They were most likely timed posts set to be publicly available right around the time of the shooting. To my knowledge YT doesn’t review any content until it’s actually posted maybe except for content that has any sort of copyright infringement.

So by the time everything happened it likely wouldn’t have made a difference what YT flagged and alerted about.

 

[TippyThomas]

They were most likely timed posts set to be publicly available right around the time of the shooting. To my knowledge YT doesn’t review any content until it’s actually posted maybe except for content that has any sort of copyright infringement.

So by the time everything happened it likely wouldn’t have made a difference what YouTube flagged and alerted about.

That's how I've seen it described. Terrible event no matter what is to blame for sure.

 

[Moliphino]

Things I've learned about this shooting based on the news reports I've read:

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• shooter is/was 23. At age 17, parent(s) (don't remember if 1 or both parents signed) signed a court document allowing shooter son to change name to female name.

Robin is pretty gender neutral, really. Aside from the name change, is there evidence they were trans?

 

[ClaraOswald]

That's what AI is for. They can recognize 3 seconds of a copyrighted song in minutes. I think they can do better here.

I mean, AI could take the video down. But I'm not sure it would be reported to authorities.

Robin is pretty gender neutral, really. Aside from the name change, is there evidence they were trans?

I read that the paperwork for the name change mentioned they wanted to change their name to match their preferred gender.

 

[BrianL]

That's what AI is for. They can recognize 3 seconds of a copyrighted song in minutes. I think they can do better here.

Yeah, but the AI algorithms get that wrong all the time - it's a big problem. Usually in those cases it is third-parties searching for and claiming copyrighted material, often mistakenly so, which only causes a headache for the video's poster. They sure as heck don't want to get it wrong when it comes to reporting potential threats.

 

[ClaraOswald]

*Yesterday



Yesterday, at 2:30pm, I got an email from my son's middle school saying a 6th grader had made some threats and they were investigated and found to be "not credible." But dang...it hit me like a ton of bricks to see the email. It wasn't the first like that. It, sadly, won't be the last. As I was driving to school to pick him up, I was thinking "what would I do if I heard there was a shooting at my son's school?" I'm less than 5 minutes from his school. Would I be restrained by police while trying to get to the building? Would my Mom Super Strength let me push through the barricades to get to my child? His special education classroom is right off of an entrance to the building. Does that make him an easy target? Could I break a window and get to him? What do I have in my car that could break a window?

It's horrifying that these types of thoughts even enter my mind.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm confused as to what YT being better at removing videos has to do with what eventually happened? Are people saying that it wouldn't have happened if YT had been more proactive with deleting a video that was made available later?

Consider the impact to others. It gets really dicey really fast with censorship (as in figuring out what constitutes problems) but it also is about not having these types of things readily available and glorifiable

One of the reasons the trend is to try and not name the suspect in shootings as doing so often perpetuates one of the goals from them to have notoriety.

While YouTube is named here it's just the venue being used. In recent years there's been a push and subsequent controversy on just what content should be available and what content crosses a line.

As far as report to authorities it isn't as far fetched as it should be. The public is regularly asked to report content to the authorities if they believe there to be a cause for concern. Specific to school shootings students, parents and faculty are often told if they see a post anywhere (snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, etc) to report it if they feel there is cause for concern and schools are often required by law to report to the authorities if there is cause for concern by threat level. Often it comes about that it was done as a prank by a person but every now and then they do thwart authentic attempts. It's more complicated when pressuring a company, a digital one at that, to do the same.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

For AI it has its usage (it just has been used in crazy ways recently). Flagging is one thing but it should be then reviewed by an actual person. It could be temporarily removed if it meets a certain threshold programmed in rather than immediately removing everything.

One thing I recently read about was the identification of a lost hiker (I believe they were not found for 10 months or so). A drone was used to take footage all along the suspected area and then AI was used and found an anomaly in seconds which turned out to be a red helmet after review by a person. It wasn't solely AI that found the hiker but was used to not only see what the human eye may not have immediately seen but also super fast. Could AI be used to filter content sure but I understand there are still limitations and ethical concerns in doing so. One of the reasons we have certain conspiracy theories or slew of people believing in xyz is because AI has gotten so good in mimicking and creating things so it would have to be used in high care if done as a filtering tool en masse and widely accepted/used.